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univonc
07-17-2009, 06:58 AM
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/univonc/TheOffspringback.jpg

Here is the Recording rig I used:

There are 2 recorders
12 ft of audio cable
3 microphones
Preamp (analog/digital)
a TON of batteries

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/univonc/TheOffspring2009CharlotteSETUP.jpg

univonc
07-17-2009, 06:59 AM
The Offspring
"Live from the VIP Box"
2009-July-14
Uptown Amphitheatre
NC Music Factory
Charlotte, NC

Recorder: UNIVONC

Seat: VIP Box


Lineage:
Core Sound Dual DPA 4061 merged into 3 pin XLR into
Mic2496 V2 Portable Mic Pre-amp/A-to-D Converter (coax out) into
Monster Cable Interlink Digital Datalink IDL 100 High Resolution Cable
M-Audio's MicroTrack II Professional 2-Channel Mobile Digital Recorder
(into SPDIF)
ScanDisk Extreme III 32 GB compact Flashcard

Recorded in 96khz/24 bit 2 channel stereo
All editing done with Adobe Audition 3.0.1 (patch for Vista)
Conversion from 96/24 to 44k/16
WAV files converted to FLAC 6 via Traders Little Helper
Files torrented will be done thru traders little helper onto uTorrent.

Background:

The Offspring started their US tour on May 15, 2009 and appeared in Chalotte on July 14.
The concert was played on a Tuesday night and the band finished 3 straight performances (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday)
with only a day rest.
Dexter Holland (lead singer) clearly had either strained his vocals or had a cold, and the band did not perform the song "Gone Away" this night.
The crowd was standing the whole time.

I had been waiting since 1994 to see them and enjoyed the show.
However, the recording shows a wonderful and a great band.

My gift to everyone! Enjoy!
For the first time I am providing artwork.....

Please support The Offspring by purchasing their merchandise and music. (www.Offspring.com)

Also, mp3 conversion is ONLY for personal usage.
This recording is NEVER to be sold.


SETLIST: (1:06:35)


SETLIST:

Stuff is Messed Up
Bad Habit
You're Gonna Go Far, Kid
Come Out and Play
Meaning of Life
Have You Ever
Staring at the Sun
Genocide
Kristy, Are You Doing Okay?
Gotta Get Away
Half-Truism
Why Don't You Get a Job?
Intermission (with a Donkey and Huge Beach Balls)
Americana
All I Want
Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)
(Can't Get My) Head Around You
Kids Aren't Alright


ENCORE:
Want You Bad
Self-Esteem

univonc
07-17-2009, 07:07 AM
I will provide the front cover when I get permission from someone who took the picture of the show.

If I get the permission then I will liberate it for your pleasure.

KHWHD
07-17-2009, 07:42 AM
Nice job! :cool:

univonc
07-17-2009, 08:23 AM
Okay.... here it is.

The files are in 44.1k/16 bit and will work with any software you have to make an audio CD.

Make sure to make a file from which the download will be placed.

Let me know if there are any problems.

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Enjoy!!!!

Bill

KHWHD
07-17-2009, 08:37 AM
These are mp4 downloads, not mp3's?

brothadave79
07-17-2009, 08:37 AM
Great recordings! But poor Dex, he sounds like he's trying though!

univonc
07-17-2009, 09:00 AM
These are mp4 downloads, not mp3's?

These are pure .wav format. They can be converted anyway u want.

That is why I prefer lossless. It keeps the integrity of the recording. Once converted to mp3, you lose some things, but if you save this as a backup it will last forever......

I hope you enjoy it.

Bill

KHWHD
07-17-2009, 09:03 AM
Awesome, thanks a lot!

chriiis
07-17-2009, 09:07 AM
Great recordings! But poor Dex, he sounds like he's trying though!

Dude can you reply me the PMs? :p

ArtificialLife
07-17-2009, 10:35 AM
This would be really cool if Dexter was on par. Thanks for taking the time though, it's appreciated!

chriiis
07-17-2009, 11:15 AM
Oh shit :(, the dexter's vocals on Half truism is so poor! :(

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
07-17-2009, 04:15 PM
DAMN, when you listen to this recording, it really shows dexters voice.
(it kinda hurts my ears)specially in have you ever
thanks for the recording.btw, dont ever bash on dexter like that cuz he was trying

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
07-17-2009, 04:26 PM
next time they come to Charlotte try to record the show again because dexter really had his voice strained

i still prefer this version of have you ever compared to the one you recorded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE5T9khkzgs

univonc
07-17-2009, 04:31 PM
DAMN, when you listen to this recording, it really shows dexters voice.
(it kinda hurts my ears)specially in have you ever
thanks for the recording.btw, dont ever bash on dexter like that cuz he was trying


I was bashing the fact that hammerhead and gone away was not used in the setlist. I also perceived that the setlist was 18 songs, but upon recheck it was 20. I rescended.

Not once did i say anything about his ability......

_Lost_
07-18-2009, 04:23 PM
not true. you made some comments about his voice and remarked that they should have rescheduled the show aerosmith style because you felt ripped off since he wasn't at the top of his game and you got a sub-par show.

univonc
07-18-2009, 08:12 PM
okay...okay....

Point taken.

I apologize again. If I repeated myself on that, I can at least apologize again.

It hurts when you have high expectations, and yes I left feeling cheated. My perception was not reality that night, but you have to admit that Dexter's voice was not his best. I will take criticism for my behavior as much as I dished it out. Rightly so, I deserve it. However the recording does revealed a strained voice and probably a "tour tired" singer.

You have seen them more than once, and this was my first. Let's hope that his voice was stronger and recovered quickly for 3 straight shows this weekend.

_Lost_
07-19-2009, 07:36 PM
we've all spoken about the vocal strain. there is no denying it. touring is hard on the voice and he sound like he had a bit of a cold. (summer colds blow BTW) It was just a matter of the five or six of us members that also went to the show speaking objectively about it versus your freakout. they'll be touring again soon. no worries. you'll get another chance to record for your collection. just bask in the pure energy of the crowd and the music. Dexter may not have been at the top of your game but they gave their damndest to make sure you got your money's worth. there is just no denying that.

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
07-19-2009, 08:04 PM
but they gave their damndest to make sure you got your money's worth. there is just no denying that.


but they gave their damndest to make sure you got your money's worth. there is just no denying that.


but they gave their damndest to make sure you got your money's worth. there is just no denying that.


but they gave their damndest to make sure you got your money's worth. there is just no denying that.
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ArtificialLife
07-20-2009, 08:47 AM
Being "tour-tired" is no excuse to sound this bad. They haven't played that many shows ... there are some bands who play way more shows and don't suffer an ounce.

Perhaps he was sick ... otherwise I'm not sure how he could possibly sound so bad after sounding amazing and hitting every note just a few days before. However, there are some songs here that are so terrible it's painful to listen to (e.g. half-truism). You can hear Noodles and Greg hitting the notes with far greater ease than Dexter does. Granted this is one of the songs they leave in standard tuning (rather than bringing it down a half-step). Anyway, if Dexter was sick and knew he was going to give a sub-par (and that's an understatement) performance, they should have canceled the show. And don't start flaming me for this suggestion, it's a common thing that many bands do, to save themselves from sounded like Dexter did. I'd be embarrassed if thousands of fans paid to see me and I came out singing flat on every song.

anna5545
07-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Thanks for posting a recording of the concert! I actually had tickets to go, but I unfortunately had to attend a funeral on that day. :(

This is actually the second time that I had tickets, but could not go! I have never seen The Offspring in concert and I was really, really looking forward to it!

I will definately try again, but its nice to have this to tie me over until they make it my way again!

THANKS! :)

_Lost_
07-20-2009, 11:06 AM
we've already said he sounded sick when he spoke. and lol at "thousands of fans"

it didn't sound awful from where i was standing. going back and listening to post show recordings of anything is pretty much always a nightmare. it always sounds better live.

anna5545, sorry you couldn't go! It was a fantastic show IMO and i'm sorry you had to miss it. hopefully they'll release a new album as soon as they have been saying so you get another chance to see them soon.

cool 2 hate 681
07-20-2009, 11:16 AM
just wanted to say thanks to univonc for the recording:)

Little_Miss_1565
07-20-2009, 11:20 AM
Being "tour-tired" is no excuse to sound this bad. They haven't played that many shows ... there are some bands who play way more shows and don't suffer an ounce.

Some bands lip sync live -- should Dexter do that to avoid the fallability of being human and occasionally not singing 100%?

I almost miss the hardcore punx and their "Is the Offspring punx?", if only because they at least get it that Dexter is not Kelly Clarkson.

uvionc -- I'm sorry you left feeling disappointed, but your expectations are yours and not Dexter's or anyone else's, and another person can't be responsible for fulfilling your every desire.

univonc
07-20-2009, 11:41 AM
Some bands lip sync live -- should Dexter do that to avoid the fallability of being human and occasionally not singing 100%?

uvionc -- I'm sorry you left feeling disappointed, but your expectations are yours and not Dexter's or anyone else's, and another person can't be responsible for fulfilling your every desire.


Miss:

Thanks. Many people here (including myself) are fans. We incorporate many things the band means to us. Some emulate musically through cover bands, others make them a part of their inspiration. So you are true in your comment and I can't agree more.

However, the notion your "comment" of allowing another person to be responsible to fulfill my desire? I won't even dignify nor even need to defend

I want to add onto a point you made above. Roger Waters, one of the main members of Pink Floyd, often lip syncs through parts of his shows, and i have been a witness to it. Many artists do that as well. I really don't know how to feel or comment other than you are on target.

Everyone has a bad night. Theirs happened to be on my night and dime. It will not prevent me from going to see them again. Their music has and always will remain an important part of my life.

Everyone is entitled to a "mulligan" I think we all need one (especially me) and maybe start over?

dexterone
07-20-2009, 11:58 AM
tanks a lot univonc for this concert.......great,that they played Meaning of Life there.....but itīs a pity,that dexter was ill
Do you only have audio,or have you also a video of this gig.....

ArtificialLife
07-20-2009, 03:50 PM
Some bands lip sync live -- should Dexter do that to avoid the fallability of being human and occasionally not singing 100%?

I almost miss the hardcore punx and their "Is the Offspring punx?", if only because they at least get it that Dexter is not Kelly Clarkson.




I was not referring to "Kelly Clarkson," or bands that lip sync ... when bands do it's pretty obvious. It is even obvious when bands use Autotune in concert to help their vocal range. There are plenty of bands with real integrity that do not do either ... that play much longer tours, and do not suffer nearly as much as Dexter did at this show.

And as far as the "punx" go who wouldn't care ... sorry but the success of The Offspring's music is heavily dependent upon melody and hitting (we'll say most) of the notes in concert. Sloppiness is a part of the game for a ton of punk bands ... The Offspring is not one of them (at least not anymore). They've reached a status that most fans in attendance do hold high expectations.

I'm not knocking Dexter in any way, I'm simply stating that it seems a bit ridiculous to sound as poor as he did from being "tour-tired," and that he must have been sick; in which case it would not have been a bad idea to postpone the show.

randman21
07-21-2009, 02:01 AM
Were he "tour-tired," I think it would be justified. He's 43. They've been playing for 25 years, and have toured more than most other punk bands because they are more popular than almost every other punk band. Dexter sings way higher than most lead singers, coupled with the fact that he sings the "wrong" way (it's terrible on his vocal cords, and it's a wonder that he can go as long as he does). They'd had dates right before that, plus this is the end of the tour. Two months without a break can do that. Just because it doesn't affect one person doesn't mean it won't someone else. Anyway, postponing the show isn't viable because they're going straight to Europe now.

EDIT: And of course, thanks a lot for the recordings, Bill! Was I just imagining things or were the seats totally filled when I turned around to check it out?

_Lost_
07-21-2009, 02:47 AM
they let everyone in the grass fill out the back seats rather than having all those empty seats. there were a lot of people up in the grass originally. so it was pretty damn full in the seats

RobinoZombie
07-21-2009, 02:40 PM
That was a Really nice recording,

Though, as most have pointed out, Dex aint even close to be on par.

This's Even worse than Woodstock 99(the real one, not the touched up version).

Im going out on a limb and saying that i have listened to far more recordings then the avarage BBS reader, and he must have been sick, had a cold anything, or just lost his voice, something's really not there.

maybe his vocal chords was shot? its really sounding as he's trying, but he just cant hit the notes, even the Easiest ones,

NOT TO BASH ON DEXTER,

but this was terrible.

_Lost_
07-21-2009, 03:08 PM
i wonder how many more times it has to be said before people are satisfied that everyone is aware of the vocal troubles he was having.

KHWHD
07-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Well let's hope that's it. :rolleyes:

RobinoZombie
07-21-2009, 03:24 PM
sorry for giving my two cents ;)

ArtificialLife
07-22-2009, 01:20 PM
This's Even worse than Woodstock 99(the real one, not the touched up version).




I was going to mention Woodstock as well, and how bad he strained his voice there as well. People who mention how he "sings higher than most vocalists" are pretty much finding excuses, because not only should he know his own limits, they tune down most songs in concert. Many singers would be able to hit just about every note in their songs given they are taken down a half-step ... and Dexter couldn't even hit the easy notes like you mentioned. So there must have been some serious problem with his voice in this instance.

I was also going to mention that it seems Dexter's voice has always been somewhat "hit-or-miss," as ever since I can remember (and I've seen them tour before Smash), he's had many amazing nights vocally, and many nights where he struggled. So perhaps his voice IS more susceptible to wear-and-tear than most other vocalists ... not sure. But this is probably the worst I've heard him ... it's really not that hard to hit many of the notes he was landing flat on during this performance.

As for people getting upset about this discussion, it is perfectly acceptable for fans to address this topic, and express their feelings or opinions about it. Not every thread has to be positive and praise the band. If it bothers you, then it's your right to abstain from contributing or reading.

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
07-22-2009, 02:16 PM
i just remembered that noodles said he was going to come back to the US after they finished the tour and if they do that, maybe dexter decides to redo charlotte.
And my god, dexter sounds like he was suffering so my question is; Does it hurt when you sing if your voice is strained?

i still dont think this shitty city deserves a redo(maybe if it was another more important city it would be acceptable)

KrispyNotKrunchy
07-22-2009, 03:12 PM
I was there, and although I will admit Dexter's voice wasn't 100%, these recordings make it sound much worse than it actually was. It wasn't this bad.

randman21
07-22-2009, 04:17 PM
I was going to mention Woodstock as well, and how bad he strained his voice there as well. People who mention how he "sings higher than most vocalists" are pretty much finding excuses, because not only should he know his own limits, they tune down most songs in concert. Many singers would be able to hit just about every note in their songs given they are taken down a half-step.
Not when they're physically ill, which is the part that you seem to be missing here. Also, a lot of singers can hit the notes that Dexter does, but most of them are smart enough to write songs that fit comfortably in their range because of the damage done to their voices. Dexter doesn't do that, plus he sings with a very throaty voice, (as opposed to chesty or diaphragm-y) so if you take that and the effects of it over an extremely sustained period of time, it makes a HUGE difference.

As for people getting upset about this discussion, it is perfectly acceptable for fans to address this topic, and express their feelings or opinions about it. Not every thread has to be positive and praise the band. If it bothers you, then it's your right to abstain from contributing or reading.
I've found that everyone who ever criticizes the band says this when someone defends them. No one has a problem with negative comments about the band. This is, in fact, the worst I have ever heard him sound. That's undeniable. It's just highly frustrating when the most important point of the discussion is being ignored.


And my god, dexter sounds like he was suffering so my question is; Does it hurt when you sing if your voice is strained?

Ehh, it can. I imagine that it hurts more often than not, but when it happens to me, it's just like a feeling of extreme fatigue in the throat. Like...have you ever lifted weights for a long time and by the end of it, you can barely hold your arm up? Doesn't hurt, but you just have no strength. It's kinda like that.

i still dont think this shitty city deserves a redo(maybe if it was another more important city it would be acceptable)
...A more important city in North Carolina? Haha, I think Charlotte tops the list.

I was there, and although I will admit Dexter's voice wasn't 100%, these recordings make it sound much worse than it actually was. It wasn't this bad.
Funny how that works, eh? From the front, it sounded like Dexter was spot-on the entire time. Listening to the recording of it...just damn. :P

univonc
07-22-2009, 06:39 PM
I was there, and although I will admit Dexter's voice wasn't 100%, these recordings make it sound much worse than it actually was. It wasn't this bad.

The equipment was pure digital. Not analog. The dual DPA's 4061 are the best minatures for range IMO, and the preamp is the best for Analog to digital converter on the market at this time (although there is now a 4 channel versus the 2 channel I have). The recorder is the Microtrack II and has the capacity to record 96/24 (DVD audio), the best detail for a recorder under 350 USD.

To reduce the chance of background, I used the Monster interlink 100 high data cable with major insulation.

This was one of my best recordings for detail and clarity. I have many other shows which I have recorded, and this was one of the best for me personally.

I sincerely hate it ended up this way.....

randman21
07-22-2009, 06:48 PM
By the way, I hope it didn't sound like I was questioning your equipment. It's just crazy how different perception and reality are at these things. I'd take the perception any day. :D

univonc
07-22-2009, 07:37 PM
By the way, I hope it didn't sound like I was questioning your equipment. It's just crazy how different perception and reality are at these things. I'd take the perception any day. :D

My friend. I didn't take it that way.

What I wanted to say is that the equipment is totally high end. The recording no way was changed or mixed. this was pure.

One of the advantages of recording is that you can take off the high end Bass roll off (or mic rumble) and then get to the pure essence of the show.

Next week, going to record Tool and then Nickelback. This is a wonderful hobby and I enjoy it SO much.....

Honestly, I was also fooled until I got in my car and listened to the recording. I agree that perception was not reality.

A sincere suggestion for Dexter is to take some voice/singing lessons of how to save his voice. To his credit, they did form the band based on desire, and without any formal training.

Success comes at a price of demand. To continue the success they must meet that demand.

_Lost_
07-23-2009, 12:12 AM
bill, i know you are disappointed with the recording, but i wouldn't say you were "fooled". People are always talking about how the videos they took never do the concert justice. "was dexter's voice really that bad at the show?" "i didn't notice. it sounded great to me!" just try not to get so caught up in the recording that you forget you enjoyed the concert while you were there.

Plus, freaking out about the poorness of the recording because of his voice and wanting a redo (where undoubtably, you would plan to rerecord) is a funny thing to do on here since its against the rules to bring audio recording equipment into the concert, as per their rules on the homepage. I'm not annoyed at this and its not a jab at your for being displeased. i just thought i'd point out the irony.

So perhaps his voice IS more susceptible to wear-and-tear than most other vocalists ... not sure.

we are all susceptible to it. Get ahold of daily rehearsals for the best singers in the world and you hear it. from day to day it really is hit or miss, especially when you have poor form like he does.

Does it hurt when you sing if your voice is strained?
It can. It really depends on the kind of strain, how hoarse your voice is, whether your throat is sore etc etc. With the way dexter sings (mostly in his throat and through his nose), I imagine the most pain he runs into involves sinus pressure. I know from my own experience, singing the same way as he does is incredibly painful with a cold. you feel like your sinuses are going to explode. The biggest issue is that when you lose your voice from being sick, while your talking voice can come back in the next day or two, it may be a couple weeks before you are able to hit all of your usual notes again. I have the worst problem with this.

Also, a lot of singers can hit the notes that Dexter does, but most of them are smart enough to write songs that fit comfortably in their range because of the damage done to their voices. Dexter doesn't do that, plus he sings with a very throaty voice, (as opposed to chesty or diaphragm-y) so if you take that and the effects of it over an extremely sustained period of time, it makes a HUGE difference.
... ...
...A more important city in North Carolina? Haha, I think Charlotte tops the list.
heh... well randy, you certainly can't comment on writing in an uncomfortable range. ;) Its funny that this topic comes up though, because after listening to some of my original songs, Tim (static_martyr) was saying that it sounded like a much more natural and comfortable range for me than singing the offspring was, but in reality what sounds more comfortable is not. I'm a lot more comfortable singing in what i refer to as my "big" voice, or my throaty nasally offspring-like range, than i am singing "properly". my vocal breaks are in odd places, i can't get any power, and i have more difficulty staying on key and keeping a confident note singing with my diaphragm than i do singing with technically poor form. Plus, with doing all of those covers, my range in my "big" voice has gone through the roof compared to what it once was.

and ironically randy, Charlotte is supposed to be the most popular city to move to right now int he country. i think it was the fastest growing last year and such. :eek: why? now that i can't answer, but nc is growing in popularity. Greensboro and Raleigh are high on the list too.

univonc
07-23-2009, 04:49 AM
Plus, freaking out about the poorness of the recording because of his voice and wanting a redo (where undoubtably, you would plan to rerecord) is a funny thing to do on here since its against the rules to bring audio recording equipment into the concert, as per their rules on the homepage. I'm not annoyed at this and its not a jab at your for being displeased. i just thought i'd point out the irony.



Lost,

I re-edited this post for several reasons. The first is that I am not offended nor annoyed by the post above, but I want to add to it. This is a matter of what I watch on sportscenter when someone's "fanhood" is questioned. Clearly my posts prior were to challenge, and were offensive to many. Yet, it has lead to some wonderful discussions after the dust, or even the emotion settled.

Then let's also include the "videos" that you and everyone produce on this website, and continue to post on a daily concert basis. Just also adding to the irony we all participate within. I actually record to keep a show as a piece of history rather than a memory. Yes, I know all the lingo and issues of "thou shalt not record", but we all still do it. Thank goodness for youtube. Some will never have the experiences that we take for granted, and live vicariously through us.

http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1332843#post1332843

I think we celebrate our "fandom" by different mediums. You videotape and take pictures and I record.

I sincerely respect how important this band means to you. Your influences musically dictate your passion. I am beyond the "freakout" as you have placed upon me.

I do not think that the band "owes" me (never thought it when I posted such an outlandish comment), but this show is a testimonial of what happened that night. You choose how you want to interpret, defend, or even discuss it.