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_Lost_
08-13-2009, 02:59 AM
I was in his class last semester. He got arrested this summer on 41 counts of sexual exploitation when they found pictures of naked children on his computer. *shudders* I knew that guy was creepy but daaaaaamn. I feel less bad about failing his class now.

News article about it (http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/08/12/article/greensboro_man_faces_41_counts_in_child_porn_probe )

EDIT: Fuck! "pedo file" should be one word there.

RickyCrack
08-13-2009, 03:05 AM
stop going to school with renato

randman21
08-13-2009, 03:08 AM
Also, "ph"

That's kinda terrible. A janitor where I work was busted for kiddie porn on his computer. His wife turned him in when he pissed her off about something.

RickyCrack
08-13-2009, 03:11 AM
you both need to stop going to school with renato

WebDudette
08-13-2009, 03:13 AM
It'd still be wrong.

We had a super sketchy teacher in 7th grade. So fucking creepy. I can't be certain he was a straight up pedophile, but if I had to guess...

RickyCrack
08-13-2009, 03:16 AM
my middle school choir teacher was a legit sex offender. I WIN.

_Lost_
08-13-2009, 03:38 AM
Also, "ph"


fuxxxx :(

and the pot thing really explains a lot...

Paint_It_Black
08-13-2009, 03:45 AM
It's spelled Hughes.


I feel less bad about failing his class now.

I guess you were too old to pass the old fashioned way.

Rutegard
08-13-2009, 04:56 AM
all of us have met a teacher like that during our student lifes, the question is WHEN!

mine was an english prof and used to sing me pretty fly

KHWHD
08-13-2009, 06:56 AM
stop going to school with renato

That's exactly what I thought when I read the thread too... lol.

nieh
08-13-2009, 07:16 AM
As far as I know, I've never had a child molester as a teacher at any of my schools. I DID have one named "Uncle Elmer" that lived down the street from me that was there for like two generations, meaning he got someone, and then a while later could have potentially gotten that same person's child. He had a big satellite dish in his yard and would invite children into his house, give them things like candy and snacks, and then after a while would say "okay, you used the tv for this long and took this amount of snacks, you owe me $200", and when the kids start freaking out and crying he gave them the alternative to do something else for him.
Never happened to me since my parents always told me to stay far, far away from the guy's house. But he finally had someone press charges against him sometime after we moved away and wound up in jail for a sadly very brief amount of time. When he got back out, his nephew's best friend disappeared for a while and apparently the nephew figured out that Uncle Elmer had something to do with it, so he went there and killed him. The friend's body was found somewhere on the property afterwards.

JohnnyNemesis
08-13-2009, 07:27 AM
I guess you were too old to pass the old fashioned way.

Holy shit that was good

RageAndLov
08-13-2009, 07:43 AM
The newspaper/site should not post name and picture of the offender, that is bad journalism.

Llamas
08-13-2009, 09:12 AM
I had a teacher at my high school get fired for having looked up gay porn on his computer. He said that his gay brother had been using his computer and looked it up, but they still fired him because his computer had previously been used for that. It didn't bother me then, but in retrospect, it bothers me how heavily the administration emphasized the "gay" part of it. Why does that affect any part of it?

Anyway, I thought it was a dumb reason to get fired... looking up porn is not illegal, unless you're doing it at work or it's something like child porn :P

Harleyquiiinn
08-13-2009, 09:43 AM
lol at the x pedo-files.

Ilovellamas> You mean, his personnal computer ? how did they figure that out ? And how can you get fired for that ??? :eek:

Anyway... my sport teacher in junior high was never defined as a pedophile but rumors said that he really enjoyed the swimming pool classes... every girl at school had a medical document to avoid swimming pool classes...

JohnnyNemesis
08-13-2009, 10:22 AM
ps. Judging from your thread titles, it looks like you should've failed English too AMIRITE LOL HAYYYYYYYY-O *ba dum tish*

Rag Doll
08-13-2009, 10:50 AM
The newspaper/site should not post name and picture of the offender, that is bad journalism.

Can you please explain why?

Anyway, I had a few teachers with issues like these, including my middle school principal. Generally, they'd just shove them off onto another school in the district and hope the other side of the town wouldn't know what they had done.

nieh
08-13-2009, 11:05 AM
Whenever I actually stop to think about it, I feel that releasing names and pictures and in this case, even home addresses, before the person is even convicted is unfair because even the accusation that the person did something like this is enough to ruin their reputation and damage people's trust in them which even winning in court can't always put back.
In certain cases though, it's pretty hard to keep it secret. And in this case in particular, the guy turned himself in which means it's most likely true, so there's really not much need for anonymity.
And I still think your town is ridiculously screwed, by the way.

randman21
08-13-2009, 12:58 PM
The newspaper/site should not post name and picture of the offender, that is bad journalism.

No, it's bad journalism to release the name of the victims of a sex crime. But I acknowledge what nieh said.

Llamas
08-13-2009, 02:54 PM
Ilovellamas> You mean, his personnal computer ? how did they figure that out ? And how can you get fired for that ??? :eek:
It was a laptop that he used at school and would take home with him in the evening. They were able to see his browser history and such while he was on the school network. They called it irresponsible for a teacher to have that sort of a history on the computer he used at work. I thought it was ridiculous and unfair.


Anyway, I had a few teachers with issues like these, including my middle school principal. Generally, they'd just shove them off onto another school in the district and hope the other side of the town wouldn't know what they had done.

Damn, your school just sounds like a wreck all around... :-/

Rag Doll
08-13-2009, 03:15 PM
Damn, your school just sounds like a wreck all around... :-/

Yeah, with administration. Academically, it's one of the top in the country with a big chunk of every graduating class going ivy league. Can't win 'em all, I guess ;p

Llamas
08-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Yeah, with administration. Academically, it's one of the top in the country with a big chunk of every graduating class going ivy league. Can't win 'em all, I guess ;p

Well you were also talking about how the school doesn't know how to deal with bullying or just kids who cause trouble. I was just commenting on that and now this.

Rag Doll
08-13-2009, 03:18 PM
Well you were also talking about how the school doesn't know how to deal with bullying or just kids who cause trouble. I was just commenting on that and now this.

Yes, I know what you were commenting about. Which is why I made a point about the administration, since they are also the ones that would handle the troublemakers.

_Lost_
08-13-2009, 03:26 PM
The newspaper/site should not post name and picture of the offender, that is bad journalism.
Why not? I thought this guy was so creepy in class and since they didn't do the news article until he turned himself in, I don't see anything wrong with it. The article said they found the porn a month ago and he only turned himself in just recently. Its a public service to give his name, just like making them register (I understand the controversy behind this, but I'm all for it)

ps. Judging from your thread titles, it looks like you should've failed English too AMIRITE LOL HAYYYYYYYY-O *ba dum tish*
Haven't taken it yet. There is still hope.

Xtrem_Juggernaut
08-13-2009, 03:29 PM
I have some pupills who complains that I dont teach love. I shall talk to them about your topic. that will scare the shit out of their 5 years frail bodies.

mynamewastaken
08-13-2009, 09:21 PM
stop going to school with renato


you both need to stop going to school with renato


That's exactly what I thought when I read the thread too... lol.

I really don't find that funny. You don't know the whole story, and you never will. You really have no right to judge him like that.

What if I told you that when I was 13 I got pregnant, and I had an abortion?
You don't know the whole story. Go ahead and judge me. I don't care what you think of me because I KNOW you are wrong.

jacknife737
08-13-2009, 09:28 PM
Preggers at 13?

Aren't you only like 12?

Also, i never really went to anyone like renato and surprisingly after reading this thread, i almost seem to be in the minority regarding this; i feel as if i may have missed out.

Edit:

Now that i remember; i knew a scumbucket guy in one of my history classes in high school (i was 17) who was dating someone who was like 13. So i guess i went to school with someone who was exactly like reneto.

Al Coholic
08-13-2009, 09:34 PM
I really don't find that funny. You don't know the whole story, and you never will. You really have no right to judge him like that.

He fucked a 13 year old, and was 16-18 at the time. What else is there to know? Like, if he did it doggy style is it not weird but missionary is?

mynamewastaken
08-13-2009, 09:38 PM
Preggers at 13?
Aren't you only like 12?

Yeah, its a long story but ur not gonna get any more of it.
Actually no, i'm 15.

Al Coholic
08-13-2009, 09:45 PM
I think you're taking this personally because of your past experience, correct me if I'm worng. But the feelings of disgust people have with renato aren't mutual to his partner.

mynamewastaken
08-13-2009, 09:47 PM
He fucked a 13 year old, and was 16-18 at the time. What else is there to know? Like, if he did it doggy style is it not weird but missionary is?

It really isn't that un usual. My boy friend is 18. When he was 16 i was 13.

KHWHD
08-13-2009, 09:48 PM
You really have no right to judge him like that.

He shouldn't have posted that he fucked 2 13 year old children then for the public to read.

mynamewastaken
08-13-2009, 09:51 PM
I think you're taking this personally because of your past experience, correct me if I'm worng. But the feelings of disgust people have with renato aren't mutual to his partner.

-.- You don't understand what i'm trying to say.

Lizardus
08-13-2009, 10:20 PM
I have some pupills who complains that I dont teach love. I shall talk to them about your topic. that will scare the shit out of their 5 years frail bodies.

Yes. ..............

mynamewastaken
08-13-2009, 11:28 PM
I mean 13's just too young. At what age do you go from two kids having intercourse way too young and at what age is the guy taking advantage you can debate all you want, but 13's too young, no matter how mature you think you are.

I agree. I just HATE how someone can make a mistake and be punished for it years later by people they don't really even know.

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 12:07 AM
13 year olds shouldn't even be dating, let alone dating a 16 year old male. Just because the age difference isn't that big, doesn't mean that the age difference isn't a big deal! 13 year old females definitely don't think like a horny 16 year old male... at all. When I was 13, none of my friends were thinking about sex. Our version of dating someone was walking in the halls together and sometimes talking on aim. There are so many MAJOR changes a person goes through from the ages of 13 to 16. By the time all is said and done, its like who you were before is a completely different person from who you are now. COMPLETELY. Two separate entities that wouldn't recognize each other if they met in a public place.

Sex shouldn't even be a topic for discussion until at least 15 or 16, but preferably 16 or later.

And don't even start the whole "don't know the whole story" thing. He slept children after presumably getting them drunk (seeing as he was drinking himself at the time). Thats wrong on so many levels. And not only that. His original comments on the matter weren't the least bit remorseful and there was actually a hint of "hehe I'm awesome" in his wording. And its not years later. Its probably less than two years, but my vote goes to in the last 12 months.

I know what its like to feel the effects of people not knowing nor trying to get the whole story. It cost me most of my friends and reputation. Had they taken the time to listen to what really happened, than I wouldn't have had to deal with all those whispers. The nice thing about going to a college where you hardly know/see anybody from your past is that its a total fresh start. No marred reputation to live down.

ps: I considered calling this thread "my spanish professor is a renatophile."

mynamewastaken
08-14-2009, 12:15 AM
13 year olds shouldn't even be dating, let alone dating a 16 year old male. Just because the age difference isn't that big, doesn't mean that the age difference isn't a big deal! 13 year old females definitely don't think like a horny 16 year old male... at all. When I was 13, none of my friends were thinking about sex. Our version of dating someone was walking in the halls together and sometimes talking on aim. There are so many MAJOR changes a person goes through from the ages of 13 to 16. By the time all is said and done, its like who you were before is a completely different person from who you are now. COMPLETELY. Two separate entities that wouldn't recognize each other if they met in a public place.

Ok, i'm confused. Are you talking about me? I wasn't "dating" him at 13. I wasn't "dating" anyone at 13.

Llamas
08-14-2009, 12:21 AM
I don' t know what's goin on but thiw threas is fucked uipl renoto i s a pedo and so is lots's steadher for spanish. sickso.

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 12:26 AM
Ok, i'm confused. Are you talking about me? I wasn't "dating" him at 13. I wasn't "dating" anyone at 13.
I'm not talking abuot you. You made a comparison. You're 15 and your boyfriend is 18. You compared that as being the same from 13 to 16, however a 15 year old female is a lot closer to the maturity of an 18 year old male than a 13 yearold female to a 16 year old male. I was trying to say the comparison is invalid. Think of how much you have changed in the last two years.

I don' t know what's goin on but thiw threas is fucked uipl renoto i s a pedo and so is lots's steadher for spanish. sickso.
Drinking you have been much mayhaps?

mynamewastaken
08-14-2009, 12:40 AM
I'm not talking abuot you. You made a comparison. You're 15 and your boyfriend is 18. You compared that as being the same from 13 to 16, however a 15 year old female is a lot closer to the maturity of an 18 year old male than a 13 yearold female to a 16 year old male. I was trying to say the comparison is invalid. Think of how much you have changed in the last two years.

Okay, you are right about the maturity thing. :( I'm just in a bad mood and want to start a fight. Now i'm feeling kinda depressed and I have no clue why. Don't mind me i'll be okay. I think. :(

coke_a_holic
08-14-2009, 01:04 AM
What if I told you that when I was 13 I got pregnant, and I had an abortion?
You don't know the whole story. Go ahead and judge me. I don't care what you think of me because I KNOW you are wrong.

Stop having sex with renato.

JohnnyNemesis
08-14-2009, 06:17 AM
Yeah, its a long story but ur not gonna get any more of it.

Immediately followed by:


Actually no, i'm 15.

This is wonderful.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 08:43 AM
Can you please explain why?


The newspaper/site publicly hangs him out as a pedophile sex offender which is really not relevant in this article. The information of who the offender is should not be mentioned. Whereever he will go after prison, he will be branded as a pedophile man. He will be prejudge for something he has done years ago, and he will have problems getting jobs/loans/anything in the future. Also, his family will be affected when his name and picture are printed.
The newspaper/site should've just said "A man aged X years has turned himself in for possesing child porn on his computer" instead of "John Johnsen (example) aged 45 has turned himself in for possesig child porn on his computer. Now go and look up his telephone number, email adress so you can harrass him in the future, and please point and whisper when you see any of his family members."
Gah... I can't explain it good enough in English.

This site (http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=KFCZT2pQ7YvbTLRTxqGGq NgRCWQc7T41t2wgrLchdPbJ7Kx2y54r!1432102166!9452838 95?docId=95831353) tells the basics of the matter.

Private information about individuals contained in computerized data bases is readily
available to journalists, who have a moral obligation to inform the masses as a means
of redistributing power in society. The journalist's duty to inform, however, conflicts
with the duty to respect the privacy of individuals. Because legislation is largely
ineffective in protecting individual privacy, the journalist's moral responsibility
assumes additional weight. However, the journalist should not allow the claim of
privacy to keep him or her from investigating matters in which the public has a legiti*
mate interest. To determine the extent of legitimate interest, the journalist must be able
to distinguish between a right to knowledge and a curious interest in knowing. The
journalist is offered a 5-point test to assist in determining when an invasion of privacy
via data-base research and subsequent publication is warranted.

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 09:05 AM
HE GETS OFF ON NAKED CHILDREN! HE'S A FUCKIN' PEDO!

He will ALWAYS be a pedo. Serving his time won't erase that and I hope this haunts that child fucker for the rest of his life. If his wife doesn't like it, too freaking bad! She let this continue. And don't freaking say "maybe she didn't know". Bullshit. I guarantee she used that computer too.

Llamas
08-14-2009, 09:08 AM
Isn't this the same guy who defended renato? wtf...

Also, my post in this thread is fabulous.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 09:12 AM
Isn't this the same guy who defended renato? wtf...

Also, my post in this thread is fabulous.

First of all, I didn't defend him. I gave him the benefit of doubt, untill there was no doubt. I think what he did was wrong.

Second, it doesn't matter what the offender did, if he killed someone, got a parking ticket or anything. The point is that his personal information has no relevance in the article. It would be to no good to hang the person out public for the crime that he did.

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 09:27 AM
there would be no point in posting the article without the info. "police captures unnamed pedophile" would piss people off just a touch.

Llamas
08-14-2009, 09:32 AM
If someone does something like look at photos of naked kids, I would want to know who it was so I could avoid them. Just sayin'.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 09:39 AM
If someone does something like look at photos of naked kids, I would want to know who it was so I could avoid them. Just sayin'.

Well, he won't be around you because he will face prison. Also this is very local news, touching only the local society, so unless you live there, it would be a very small chance you'll ever see him.
But you would like the government to publish a public register of people who have done crimes, their personal information and what crimes they have comitted, so you "could avoid them" in the future?

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 09:41 AM
Yes when it comes to child fuckers. Gotta protect the children n shit.

nieh
08-14-2009, 09:42 AM
The newspaper/site publicly hangs him out as a pedophile sex offender which is really not relevant in this article. The information of who the offender is should not be mentioned. Whereever he will go after prison, he will be branded as a pedophile man. He will be prejudge for something he has done years ago, and he will have problems getting jobs/loans/anything in the future. Also, his family will be affected when his name and picture are printed.
The newspaper/site should've just said "A man aged X years has turned himself in for possesing child porn on his computer" instead of "John Johnsen (example) aged 45 has turned himself in for possesig child porn on his computer. Now go and look up his telephone number, email adress so you can harrass him in the future, and please point and whisper when you see any of his family members."
Gah... I can't explain it good enough in English.

This site (http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=KFCZT2pQ7YvbTLRTxqGGq NgRCWQc7T41t2wgrLchdPbJ7Kx2y54r!1432102166!9452838 95?docId=95831353) tells the basics of the matter.

This isn't an instance where the person was young and stupid and made a mistake. The guy's a college professor for god's sake! I agree with you that things should be left as private as possible when the person is simply arrested on suspicion, but once they're actually convicted, all matters of privacy go out the window. If you didn't want people to know you've had sex with children, you shouldn't have had sex with children, you know? I feel like fucking Father Maxi here.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 09:53 AM
Yes when it comes to child fuckers. Gotta protect the children n shit.

There are other ways to protect them than public humiliate convicts. The persons who are convicted and is sitting in prison is not the persons who are the potential threats of your children, so giving the personal informationa bout the people behind bars won't do yo or your children any good.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 09:54 AM
This isn't an instance where the person was young and stupid and made a mistake. The guy's a college professor for god's sake! I agree with you that things should be left as private as possible when the person is simply arrested on suspicion, but once they're actually convicted, all matters of privacy go out the window. If you didn't want people to know you've had sex with children, you shouldn't have had sex with children, you know? I feel like fucking Father Maxi here.

As I said to _Lost_, what good will it be to give out and personal information and publicly humiliate the person behind bars?

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 09:55 AM
But he WILL GET OUT eventually. Unless he gets killed in prison. Happens to child fuckers.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 10:04 AM
But he WILL GET OUT eventually. Unless he gets killed in prison. Happens to child fuckers.

And hopefully by that time, he will get help with his pedophilia, and also be closly watched by the authorities.

randman21
08-14-2009, 10:37 AM
You can't watch a pedophile closely enough to keep him from offending again. Plus the recidivism rate for sex offenders is high. Sadly, it's a hell of a lot more difficult to rehabiliate them than, say, a murderer or drug addict. If he wants to reoffend, it's as easy as "want some candy?"

nieh
08-14-2009, 10:40 AM
Seriously. Unless you have a cop tailing them 24/7, there's nothing you can do to prevent them from doing it again. And you're worried about them not being able to get jobs again? Would you seriously want someone like that to wind up right back in a teaching position with your kid in his class?

wheelchairman
08-14-2009, 10:44 AM
I think some people need to learn that just because you do it, doesn't make it right.

hehe do it.

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 11:15 AM
Seriously. Unless you have a cop tailing them 24/7, there's nothing you can do to prevent them from doing it again. And you're worried about them not being able to get jobs again? Would you seriously want someone like that to wind up right back in a teaching position with your kid in his class?

I think people who has been in jail and regret what they've done should be able to come back to life and get a job and such. But of course a pedophile should not be hired as a teacher for an elementary school, that goes without saying.
And if the offender would want to whatever he did to get in jail again, he perhaps manages to that, but to go out with his personal information in media won't change that part.

Harleyquiiinn
08-14-2009, 11:20 AM
I think people who has been in jail and regret what they've done should be able to come back to life and get a job and such. But of course a pedophile should not be hired as a teacher for an elementary school, that goes without saying.
And if the offender would want to whatever he did to get in jail again, he perhaps manages to that, but to go out with his personal information in media won't change that part.

The problem is that pedophiles are not "normal" criminals in my opinion... it's hardly a matter of regrets about doing something wrong, it's about pulsions...Some of them regret it, some of them don't want to do it again but they can't help it.

I don't think it is right to tell everyone "Hey that guy has been convicted !" but a pedophile more than any other offender should be followed by doctors and helped after he gets out of jail...

When I was in Denmark, I remember having this debate with people from Sweden where they were introducing chemical castration. I was totally against it at first but when they explained that it was only at the request of the offender and that the effects weren't definitive, I thought that maybe, it was a good solution...

_Lost_
08-14-2009, 11:22 AM
And hopefully by that time, he will get help with his pedophilia, and also be closly watched by the authorities.

that's like saying we could 'rehabilitate' gay people. so you think sending them to jail will make them straight?

RageAndLov
08-14-2009, 11:32 AM
that's like saying we could 'rehabilitate' gay people. so you think sending them to jail will make them straight?

No, but people who are pedophile can be done something with so they won't commit the same crimes again.

But that's not the point. The point is that the newspaper/site should've kept sensetive information away from the public.

In my little town (population: ca 20 000), a drunk man drove over a 50 year old guy, when he tried to hit another person. That innocent man died, but none of the three people of this scene's personal information were not mentioned in the newspaper. It only stated their age, and that the drunk man was convicted for killing that other man.
The three person's personal information had no relevance to the news for the public.

Rag Doll
08-14-2009, 01:55 PM
So, Rage, you think even if the person is found guilty or admits to being a pedophile, their name and personal information shouldn't be released to the public?

BTW, it's the LAW to release this information in the US. Look up "Megan's Law" and websites like Family Watch Dog.

Harleyquiiinn
08-14-2009, 02:12 PM
So, Rage, you think even if the person is found guilty or admits to being a pedophile, their name and personal information shouldn't be released to the public?

BTW, it's the LAW to release this information in the US. Look up "Megan's Law" and websites like Family Watch Dog.

I do, Rag Doll, I think that law might be the worst law ever made.

Pedophiles are treated like monsters. A part of them absolutely are, like for every other criminals. let's not forget about the sick ones. The ones who know that it isn't right and wish to get help but won't even dare to talk about it because everywhere, pedophiles are the new monsters because this kind of law makes them the new Frankensteins.

I understand the necessity to protect the population but I think this is just the lazy way to do it and it's completely dangerous. You don't incitate people to make justice by themselves. Besides, if they have the names and adresses to post it on the Internet, they probably could use them to send doctors and police officers to check that the guy is not inclined to do it again... but that's too expensive...

And let's not forget the quasi inefficiency of that type of law. It's not because you have the names and adresses of a sex offender that he won't find a new victim if he wants to.

Edit: precisions: I am not saying that people don't have to be informed. What I am saying is that if a sexual offender is still considered dangerous, he shouldn't be released before being treated. But if he is released, it means that he has chances of reinsertion and categorizing him as a sex offender everywhere he goes might be counter productive.

Rag Doll
08-14-2009, 02:21 PM
It at least gives people the knowledge so they know to not their children go to that house on Halloween or when they're selling candy to fundraise for school.

Perhaps I'm just cruel, but I don't really understand this pity for the pedophiles that some people seem to express. There are *very* few that continue to do it despite "knowing it isn't right." I don't view people that commit rape, no matter who the victim is, as "sick" in the sense that they just have some kind of "disease" or what have you.

People are not supposed to use the information provided by Megan's Law to harass those that have convictions. Can that really be stopped? No. However, I'd rather those people that have done so much harm to an innocent person be inconvenienced than have those living around them be ignorant to their past.

Just saw your edit, so...*edit*
True, the person shouldn't be released. However, they are. They do their assigned 1-2 years or whatever they receive and then they're off. The state is not legally allowed to force them to stay in jail beyond their sentence just because they feel they haven't been rehabilitated (I'd go as far as saying rehabilitation for such individuals is impossible, but that's me). If they're released, the public should be aware their existence.

jacknife737
08-14-2009, 02:26 PM
Well, he won't be around you because he will face prison. Also this is very local news, touching only the local society, so unless you live there, it would be a very small chance you'll ever see him.
But you would like the government to publish a public register of people who have done crimes, their personal information and what crimes they have comitted, so you "could avoid them" in the future?

If it is a sex-crime, than yes.

Also, a sex-rimes registry already exists in some countries. Some are open to the public, some are not. This isn't something like holding up a drug store when you're a stupid kid; these people are adults who are more than likely to re-offend.

If you're a parent, a national registry will put you on guard if there are pedophiles living in your neighbourhood. It would be incredibly irresponsible to allow a former pedophile to live in an area near children, without informing the community. I'm not saying that they should be publically harassed, but they lost certain rights when they became sex criminals.

http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/Conditions.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/cor/tls/soir-eng.aspx

Perhaps I'm just cruel, but I don't really understand this pity for the pedophiles that some people seem to express. There are *very* few that continue to do it despite "knowing it isn't right." I don't view people that commit rape, no matter who the victim is, as "sick" in the sense that they just have some kind of "disease" or what have you.

I agree, it's completely unwarranted.

Harleyquiiinn
08-14-2009, 02:32 PM
It at least gives people the knowledge so they know to not their children go to that house on Halloween or when they're selling candy to fundraise for school.

Perhaps I'm just cruel, but I don't really understand this pity for the pedophiles that some people seem to express. There are *very* few that continue to do it despite "knowing it isn't right." I don't view people that commit rape, no matter who the victim is, as "sick" in the sense that they just have some kind of "disease" or what have you.

People are not supposed to use the information provided by Megan's Law to harass those that have convictions. Can that really be stopped? No. However, I'd rather those people that have done so much harm to an innocent person be inconvenienced than have those living around them be ignorant to their past.

it is not "pity for pedophiles" in every case Rag Doll, I don't think I've been clear enough. I don't think you choose to be a pedophile. You only choose to answer to your pulsion or not.

1) A person is a pedophile but knows it's not right. Since that person knows it's not right, she probably also knows how bad pedophilia is considered in our society which is normal. But the problem is, IMO, that laws like Megan's law (for EXAMPLE) indirectly stop people from trying to get help for how they feel... as long as they don't answer to their pulsion, I don't know why they should lose any of their rights.

2) A person is a pedophile and decides that he should fuck little kids and does it. => Let's send him/her to jail. Let's not release that person without making sure that no more harm will be caused. Now you have several solutions. Megan's law is one, but it is not a good one IMO because it incitates people to make justice by themselves and is inefficient (I'd also add that it is not good for reinsertion but you made it clear that you didn't really believe in that anyway...)
I think that a better solution would be for them to be followed, discretely, to protect the population but to give them a chance to be a part of society again. It would be more efficient, I think, that a few registered adresses on the Internet. It would also be safer for people... not everybody has its eyes on the Internet constantly.
You can also hospitalized that person untill you are sure she is no harm for anyone.
Chemical castration, as they do in Sweden, and if the offender is willing to do it, is another solution.
I am sure we can find plenty of other solutions but IMO, Megan's law is not a good one.

Rag Doll
08-14-2009, 03:06 PM
1) A person is a pedophile but knows it's not right. Since that person knows it's not right, she probably also knows how bad pedophilia is considered in our society which is normal. But the problem is, IMO, that laws like Megan's law (for EXAMPLE) indirectly stop people from trying to get help for how they feel... as long as they don't answer to their pulsion, I don't know why they should lose any of their rights.

2) A person is a pedophile and decides that he should fuck little kids and does it. => Let's send him/her to jail. Let's not release that person without making sure that no more harm will be caused. Now you have several solutions. Megan's law is one, but it is not a good one IMO because it incitates people to make justice by themselves and is inefficient (I'd also add that it is not good for reinsertion but you made it clear that you didn't really believe in that anyway...)
I think that a better solution would be for them to be followed, discretely, to protect the population but to give them a chance to be a part of society again. It would be more efficient, I think, that a few registered adresses on the Internet. It would also be safer for people... not everybody has its eyes on the Internet constantly.
You can also hospitalized that person untill you are sure she is no harm for anyone.
Chemical castration, as they do in Sweden, and if the offender is willing to do it, is another solution.
I am sure we can find plenty of other solutions but IMO, Megan's law is not a good one.


1. Megan's Law only lists people that have convictions. If someone wants to fuck a three year old, but never does it (or is never caught), then Megan's Law won't impact them. So they can have all the three year old fucking fantasies they want without repercussion.

2. I think the amount of people that will use Megan's Law to harass the person who committed the crimes is very marginal. It's better to have the slim chance that the person will be bothered than have the public be ignorant of the person living in their community.

You say that not everyone has their eyes on the internet. I believe with Megan's Law (or similar laws, it's been a while since I took a class on rape laws), the state has to send letters to the homes of people within an x mile radius of the offenders home before the person moves in to inform them. I think it would be difficult to hospitalize an offender until they're "cured," as it seems many re-offend. I also doubt that the criminal justice system could handle keeping discreet tabs on so many people - it's overloaded as it is.

Chemical castration can be a solution, yes. However, I don't really believe it will work for everyone. Sexual abuse, like rape in general, is about power. The person doing the abusive act will still hold that power, whether they blow a load or not. That's enough for them to continue the behavior.

Harleyquiiinn
08-14-2009, 03:20 PM
1. Megan's Law only lists people that have convictions. If someone wants to fuck a three year old, but never does it (or is never caught), then Megan's Law won't impact them. So they can have all the three year old fucking fantasies they want without repercussion.

2. I think the amount of people that will use Megan's Law to harass the person who committed the crimes is very marginal. It's better to have the slim chance that the person will be bothered than have the public be ignorant of the person living in their community.

You say that not everyone has their eyes on the internet. I believe with Megan's Law (or similar laws, it's been a while since I took a class on rape laws), the state has to send letters to the homes of people within an x mile radius of the offenders home before the person moves in to inform them. I think it would be difficult to hospitalize an offender until they're "cured," as it seems many re-offend. I also doubt that the criminal justice system could handle keeping discreet tabs on so many people - it's overloaded as it is.

Chemical castration can be a solution, yes. However, I don't really believe it will work for everyone. Sexual abuse, like rape in general, is about power. The person doing the abusive act will still hold that power, whether they blow a load or not. That's enough for them to continue the behavior.

About the one, I said that it caused harm to that first category indirectly. Things like Megan's law creates the stigmatization of all pedophiles, even the ones who don't answer to their pulsion and keep them from seeking help.

About the rest, well... I guess we can both argue how we like, we just won't agree on that one :D...I still doubt the efficiency of Megan's law though...


This website indicates that many of these registrants are currently in violation of their registration requirements.

Very good point about chemical castration

Paint_It_Black
08-15-2009, 08:38 AM
Stop having sex with renato.

Sex with Renato: Not even once.

Omni
08-15-2009, 09:01 PM
that's like saying we could 'rehabilitate' gay people. so you think sending them to jail will make them straight?

Sending someone to jail to make them straight is like using the words "Microsoft Works" outside of word-processing context.

_Lost_
08-16-2009, 04:58 AM
Exactly! Pedophilia, though not a sexuality in itself (its considered a sexual paraphillia, or you could say fetish perhaps), is very much the same in that you aren't going to teach someone not to be a pedophile. Children are always the thing that are going to be the most arousing to people and its human nature to seek greater arousal. You just can't make them not be a pedophile! I can't say that enough times!

Paint_It_Black
08-16-2009, 11:04 AM
Children are always the thing that are going to be the most arousing to people and its human nature to seek greater arousal.

That makes it sound like we shouldn't blame them for raping children. If they can't help being aroused by children, and seeking greater arousal is human nature, then these people are almost powerless against the urge to rape children. This may have basis in truth but it is a very dangerous line of thinking. Suddenly pedophilia becomes a disease and pedophiles themselves become victims of a terrible affliction. We are supposed to take pity on them, give them mercy, and tell them it's not their fault. When instead we need to treat them with as much severity as the law will allow and drum it in to their heads that they must control their urges. We can't afford to show any pity to these people.

If these people cannot control themselves then they need to be imprisoned permanently. Not for rehabilitation but merely safe segregation from society.

_Lost_
08-16-2009, 01:32 PM
That's what I'm trying to say. You can't rehabilitate these people. They are going to do it again if given the opportunity. Thus, they shouldn't be given the opportunity.

darea
08-18-2009, 04:24 AM
In College(French for Middle school) one of my English teachers was rumored to being a pedophile. If not that, he was definately a pervert. It was in my last year, I was about 14 I guess... anyway he always had a red face and it became even redder when he talked to a girl. Some of the "naughty girls" in the class would wear short skirts and drop their pen and pick it up to see if he looked. And he did look under the table from time to time.

I don't really know if he was a pedophile, maybe he wasn't. He seemed a bit like a pervert because of the way he looked at people and the way he blushed all the time. But considering how he talked... he might have just been a homosexual and he never tried touching any of the kids, so maybe he wasn't a pedo....

I guess kids always like to make up nasty rumors about their teachers/people just because of the way they look. Or to get money.... like with some people:mad:

But that's pretty bad if your teacher was one. I'm more surprised with it because he's a uni teacher, just cause I have the impression that the bad "elements" would tend to be in lower paid jobs...

Smash_Returns
08-18-2009, 02:32 PM
My old school janitor became the lead guitarist of some band... Can't remember the name, but they became pretty big, had quite a few hits.

RageAndLov
08-18-2009, 03:38 PM
So, Rage, you think even if the person is found guilty or admits to being a pedophile, their name and personal information shouldn't be released to the public?

BTW, it's the LAW to release this information in the US. Look up "Megan's Law" and websites like Family Watch Dog.

I think the people living nearby should be given the information that a convicted pedophile is living near their children, but I do not however think that the newspaper is the one who should give this information to the masses.
The government can discretly send letters to the people that ought to know about pedophiles in the local area. Putting the sensetive information out for everyone to see and on the internet is not the best way to do it.
And it's not because of pity for the pedophiles that I think it should be like this. The convicted pedophiles has lost some rights when doing what they did, but a certain privacy to avoid public humiliation is not one of them.

Into The Night
08-18-2009, 08:55 PM
When I was in highschool there was a teacher that was busted making out with one of the students. How he didn't go to jail, I'll never know, but eventually they got married so it wasn't such a big deal. (Other than the fact that he was like twice her age...)

randman21
08-18-2009, 08:58 PM
Heh, making out with a minor isn't against the law. I'm slightly surprised that he wasn't fired, though.

Into The Night
08-19-2009, 04:31 AM
I don't know about where you're from, but it is illegal here. It's considered sexual assualt...

randman21
08-19-2009, 11:57 AM
My old high school teacher is a pedo file.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6968344

mip_04
08-19-2009, 12:04 PM
My old high school teacher is a pedo file.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6968344


Oh! This is really shocking!!!:mad: How can it be possible?

RageAndLov
08-19-2009, 03:03 PM
My old high school teacher is a pedo file.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6968344

The article forgot to mention the offender's phone number, home adress and email account! Oh well, since they mentioned his name it will fortunately be easy for anyone to find that information. Thank God!

jacknife737
08-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Maybe he should have thought about the possible repercussions before sticking his penis into a teenager.

wheelchairman
08-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Needs more Norwegian angst, live up to your gothmetal bands reputations!

randman21
08-19-2009, 06:04 PM
MAYHEMMMM! \m/

RageAndLov, I guess I'm kinda slow, but I didn't realize that your main objection to the original article was the release of the guy's address and all that. I completely agree with that. I don't think that stuff should ever be let out to the public, but I think the name should.

And I think that teacher I posted is the brother of a deaf girl I went to school with. Tsk.

dexter12296566
08-19-2009, 07:11 PM
I would be scared of him even if I didn't know he was a pedofile.

_Lost_
08-19-2009, 11:12 PM
Pedophillia clinically is defined in reference to prepubescent children, not 17 year olds. That really just makes him a statutory rapist and a creep.


The article forgot to mention the offender's phone number, home adress and email account! Oh well, since they mentioned his name it will fortunately be easy for anyone to find that information. Thank God!

The major difference here is that he was screwing a person who is less than a year from adulthood.

My professor was after elementary aged students!

JohnnyNemesis
08-19-2009, 11:24 PM
North Carolina: BBS Pedophilia capital of the world!

_Lost_
08-20-2009, 01:29 AM
I especially like how its not even a week later.

darea
08-20-2009, 04:51 AM
Heh, making out with a minor isn't against the law. I'm slightly surprised that he wasn't fired, though.

I agree. Sex with a minor is illegal. And anything without the person's consent is illegal. But depending on the age, a 15 to 17 year old could be dating someone of their teacher's age (but not a teacher, cause that's not allowed) as long as the age difference is not too big.

RageAndLov
08-20-2009, 03:15 PM
The major difference here is that he was screwing a person who is less than a year from adulthood.

My professor was after elementary aged students!

That's not really my point. My point is that it doesn't matter what crimes the offender has commited. His personal information has no relevance to the article, and the newspaper is not the one that should give the public sensetive information about the offender.

RageAndLov
08-20-2009, 03:18 PM
BTW, look what I found on another forum where I am active:


A few hours ago, i was sitting in my room playing COD4, and I hear my sister run down the hallway past my bedroom door, crying. Now i'm 19, and she's 13, still in middle school, so i'm thinking whatever it is probably isn't anything too important. Still, she was absolutely sobbing, so i decided to go check on her. I step out into the hall just as she slams her door shut. I start to think that maybe i just shouldn't bother her, but i walk over to her door anyway. I knock on her door but she doesn't answer me, so i try the knob and it turns.

She's lying face down on her bed crying her eyes out, so i walk over to her bed and sit on the edge. She just ignores my presence so i ask her what was wrong. She sits up and leans her head on my shoulder and tells me everything.

She told me about how her boyfriend treats her like dirt and how he called her a whore for whatever reason, and was just being an asshole in general. This kid is like 15 years old, and i pretty much knew he was a scumbag the second i saw him. I knew where he lived and i was thinking about just beating the shit out of him, but i knew that isn't what my sister would want, so i put that thought to the back of my head.

She cried into my shoulder for another minute or two, before telling me that she broke up with him that night. I told her she made the right choice, that he was trouble, which i'v actually wanted to tell her for a while. The next thing i knew, her hand was on my face and she leans in and kisses me on the lips. I pull away, but she took my shirt and started unbuttoning it. She told me she needed someone to comfort her, and that we wouldn't tell anyone.

I have to be honest with you guys, i considered it, i really considered it. She's extremely attractive and her body was totally matured. I finally told her no, but she told me she's been miserable for months, and that she's on the verge of killing herself. I don't know if she was being serious, but she was obviously unstable, and no one could say that she wouldn't do something stupid.

I told her no anyway, and that she should get some sleep, and went back to my room. Again, if i want serious advice, i need to be completely honest. I'v had feeling for her for a while. I always just pushed the thoughts to the back of my head and dismissed them as just loving her the way any brother would love his sister. Deep down i knew that wasn't true though. On top of that, this wasn't the first time she's had thoughts of killing herself, and i think she was being serious. What if I just give her what she wants, just one time, and possibly save her life? I think we'd both be mature enough to overcome it in the future and continue our lives normally.

What do you guys think?

This is person fucked up in his head. He actually considered to take advantage of a angry and confused girl, having sex with a minor which happened to be his SISTER! Incest fucking disgusts me.

chicapowerpunk
08-20-2009, 03:34 PM
I was in his class last semester. He got arrested this summer on 41 counts of sexual exploitation when they found pictures of naked children on his computer. *shudders* I knew that guy was creepy but daaaaaamn. I feel less bad about failing his class now.



And that you do not have the analytic geometry.....
Because
you´re cursing your existence............:p;)

Smash_Returns
08-20-2009, 09:35 PM
I've seen a young teacher (24) dating a high school senior.

_Lost_
08-20-2009, 09:58 PM
This is person fucked up in his head. He actually considered to take advantage of a angry and confused girl, having sex with a minor which happened to be his SISTER! Incest fucking disgusts me.

that looks like a troll post to me, like something nieh would quote 2 years from now in a thread and everybody goes "ZOMG! Oh YEah!"

RageAndLov
08-21-2009, 02:28 AM
That's what I thought at first, but he really meant what he said. But of course he could keep on trolling.