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Sin Studly
08-26-2009, 12:56 PM
What's your opinion on abortions?

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
08-26-2009, 02:00 PM
hell yeah
the king is back!!!
but you need to come up with more original threads because abortion is discussed WAY too much

Harleyquiiinn
08-26-2009, 03:27 PM
KICK THE BABY !

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wheelchairman
08-26-2009, 03:52 PM
I think after 9/11 America is too terrified to legalize abortions, we don't need another terrorist attack!

p.s. You know Dexter Holland legalized abortion.

RageAndLov
08-26-2009, 04:02 PM
Long live abortion. How can you kill something that hasn't been born?
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jacknife737
08-26-2009, 04:18 PM
Needs salt.

_Lost_
08-28-2009, 12:22 AM
p.s. You know Dexter Holland legalized abortion.

I heard that Obama was gonna legalize pot. Is that true??

Thomas
08-28-2009, 12:26 PM
I heard that Obama was gonna legalize pot. Is that true??

Yes.

see sig for more details

dexter12296566
08-28-2009, 05:45 PM
There is already a thread about this. Abortion is murder. Once fertilized it is a living creature.

wheelchairman
08-28-2009, 05:51 PM
Well looks like you just solved the entire debate Dexter134stupidnumbers. Quick tell the scientists and the Vatican!

dexter12296566
08-28-2009, 05:52 PM
Well looks like you just solved the entire debate Dexter134stupidnumbers. Quick tell the scientists and the Vatican!

I hate sarcasm(over the internet... I don't mind in person)

nieh
08-28-2009, 05:56 PM
There is already a thread about this. Abortion is murder. Once fertilized it is a living creature.

Sperm are living things too. Does that mean anyone that masturbates is committing genocide?

dexter12296566
08-28-2009, 06:08 PM
Sperm are living things too. Does that mean anyone that masturbates is committing genocide?

Let's not go that far !

Knife
08-28-2009, 08:43 PM
Abortion is murder.

Once fertilized it is a living creature.
Like when you jab a knife 44 times in a victim?

How exactly it's living? Like a bacteria or an ant that you just stepped on and "murdered" it? And what kind of creature is it. Like a 100% healthy 18 years old adult?

When that "creature" has a serious defect, should we let it live?

Beaker
08-30-2009, 04:41 PM
wow, what a harsh topic. i dont agree with terminating a pregancy because people do not know how to be more careful. i am not in that position though. i personaly would take the responsibility on, why should that child pay for my mistakes. if i was too young i would give the child to a couple with fertility problems.

With the whole abnormalities thing, this is a hard topic to debate. i am recently learing about the ethics of this in cytogenetics, i seriosly would find it hard. I dont think i could terminate though, i have known some wonderful people with genetic defects.

Knife
08-30-2009, 08:25 PM
i dont agree with terminating a pregancy because people do not know how to be more careful.

i am not in that position though. i personaly would take the responsibility on, why should that child pay for my mistakes.

i have known some wonderful people with genetic defects.
Condom AND pill or no sex at all. :D Also, you are being against it for the wrong reason. Just because they are not careful doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed.

Is it a child when it's 1 week old? Dr. House* says it's not. :)

There was a case in Germany. Engineer, 44 years old, with her wife killed 4 year old son because he was heavily handicapped. Then, they committed suicide.

*Don't mistake him for Dr. HAU

Beaker
08-30-2009, 11:06 PM
Condom AND pill or no sex at all. :D Also, you are being against it for the wrong reason. Just because they are not careful doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed.

Is it a child when it's 1 week old? Dr. House* says it's not. :)

There was a case in Germany. Engineer, 44 years old, with her wife killed 4 year old son because he was heavily handicapped. Then, they committed suicide.

*Don't mistake him for Dr. HAU

I am not saying it should not be allowed. I have friends who have had it done and i can respect their decision, after all it is their decision and their body. I just think it can be a bit of a waste when people can not have children and these people are terminating. but i stress again thats their choice.

I have no problem with one off's but when some one does it all the time it becomes a bit too wrong. It can be damaging, regretful and a waste of tax payers money.

I am not sure whether a 1 week old zygote is considered a child, but it is alive and contains the genetic material for a child. I would never take the chance. when i was young i would never do it, but i guess i walk around ants so i dont squash them, lol.

The new pill that has just been released ( i think it is called RU148 or some thing) i think might be a new trend amongst people.

_Lost_
08-30-2009, 11:30 PM
Way to try to turn this into a real discussion...

I just think it can be a bit of a waste when people can not have children and these people are terminating.
This you clearly have no experience in and anybody who hasn't been faced with the choice to terminate or carry to term and give up for adoption has absolutely NO RIGHT whatsoever to express their opinion on such subject matter. Shut up.

The new pill that has just been released ( i think it is called RU148 or some thing) i think might be a new trend amongst people.
RU-486 is an abortion pill thats been in use for more than twenty years for pregnancy up to 7 to 9 weeks gestation! I'm sick of people mixing these things up! Even magazines and such do it from time to time. There are two types of abortion pills (RU-496 and MTX which only works up to 7 weeks).

What you are thinking of is the Plan B or morning after pill, which may be popular but not nearly as effective as even a condom would be(70-80% if you are lucky). People relying on this sort of thing to not get pregnant are stupid. Plan B has been in use for a decade. Three years ago it was made available without a prescription, but up to that point all you had to do was stop by any Planned Parenthood, tell 'em you needed it, and they'd give you a prescription. Before that, there were similar products in use for more than 30 years.

Beaker
08-30-2009, 11:44 PM
who said i had no experiance with this type of thing? i am pretty sure i did'nt. plus i am pretty sure this thread was aimed at oppinion sharing. Hence its title.

In australia RU486 only just got released, so that is what i am talking about. i know what the pill is, and i do agree that it should not be used as a contraceptive, it can be pretty damaging, Same with Depoprovera (if thats how its spelt).

Knife
08-30-2009, 11:58 PM
I am not sure whether a 1 week old zygote is considered a child, but it is alive and contains the genetic material for a child. I would never take the chance. when i was young i would never do it, but i guess i walk around ants so i dont squash them, lol.
Then call it a zygote and not a child.

Way to try to turn this into a real discussion...

This you clearly have no experience in and anybody who hasn't been faced with the choice to terminate or carry to term and give up for adoption has absolutely NO RIGHT whatsoever to express their opinion on such subject matter. Shut up.
We are on a forum, hun. Real discussions are welcome.

So, politicians shouldn't have a right to express their opinion? And actually pass the law.

Llamas
08-31-2009, 12:24 AM
Wait... so I'm not touching this topic by any means, but this


This you clearly have no experience in and anybody who hasn't been faced with the choice to terminate or carry to term and give up for adoption has absolutely NO RIGHT whatsoever to express their opinion on such subject matter. Shut up.

So you believe that people shouldn't be able to give opinions on things that haven't directly affected their lives personally? This is stupid. I mean, what if I started saying that people who aren't gay shouldn't be allowed to give an opinion on gay marriage? We all have rights to our opinions, and nobody has a right to silence them just because they don't affect them personally.

wheelchairman
08-31-2009, 07:47 AM
I think she just meant with regards to terminating a pregnancy, Bri, not universally.

Not that I agree with her though.

Llamas
08-31-2009, 07:53 AM
I know she was only talking about abortion... but her comment about how people who haven't experienced it don't have a right to give an opinion on it is as ridiculous as my example.

wheelchairman
08-31-2009, 08:33 AM
I was more talking about your first sentence after you quote her where you change her statement from being about abortion to being a universal rule. Not about your example.

Little_Miss_1565
08-31-2009, 08:35 AM
hell yeah
the king is back!!!
but you need to come up with more original threads because abortion is discussed WAY too much

The thing I miss about Justin the most is the legion of bootlicking would-be trolls that flock to him every time he posts again. <3

Knife
08-31-2009, 03:25 PM
Wait... so I'm not touching this topic by any means, but this
You are talking like it's a crime to touch it. :D

Beaker
08-31-2009, 04:07 PM
Then call it a zygote and not a child.

We are on a forum, hun. Real discussions are welcome.

So, politicians shouldn't have a right to express their opinion? And actually pass the law.

good point i repect that. :)

_Lost_
08-31-2009, 11:55 PM
In australia RU486 only just got released, so that is what i am talking about. i know what the pill is, and i do agree that it should not be used as a contraceptive, it can be pretty damaging, Same with Depoprovera (if thats how its spelt).

wait wait wait... since when is RU486 considered a contraceptive? its an ABORTION pill. contraceptives PREVENT pregnancy, not terminate it! pay attention to your wording.

and what the fuck is wrong with depoprovera? Its a birth control shot. I don't see the problem. I'm on it.

who said i had no experiance with this type of thing? i am pretty sure i did'nt. plus i am pretty sure this thread was aimed at oppinion sharing. Hence its title.

a) have you had an abortion/unwanted pregnancy/given a child up for adoption? You said your friends have but not you. There is a difference between seeing someone you know make that choice and having to make it yourself. a BIG difference.

b)look a little closer at who started the thread.

Wait... so I'm not touching this topic by any means, but this

I absolutely HATE it when people take a statement about a specific topic and then try to generalize it to everything else to prove that its an invalid way of thinking. Thats a terrible approach to trying to prove your point to anybody.

No one should have any right to tell any woman/teenage girl that she must forego abortion and carry a child to term and then give that child up for adoption. When its a fetus less than three months gestation, its just that... a fetus. Its surreal. Its not this living, breathing, crying, eating, pooping being that is forever a part of you. No matter how unwanted the child is, you still would get attached to it. After 9 months, its your child. And then you are forced to give it up? Whether because of your religion or your parents or whatever, thats just cruel!

Yes, some people abuse the availability of things like the abortion pill, but I don't see why that has to mean that everyone should have these unwanted children and then give them to some infertile couple. Just because they got pregnant, that doesn't mean they were careless. They could have done everything right and still these things can happen. So even those people should suffer through some of the most severe emotional pain that they could ever go through? Or they should keep the child in a home that can't full care for them? What about those people?

Rag Doll
09-01-2009, 12:09 AM
and what the fuck is wrong with depoprovera? Its a birth control shot. I don't see the problem. I'm on it.


Depo-Provera has absolutely awful side effects which are only just beginning to be understood, particularly when started at a younger age and/or taken for long periods of time. While it shouldn't be banned, it shouldn't be used quite as often as it is....at least not without fully understanding the risks and complications, which most people (doctors and patients) do not seem to do...

Llamas
09-01-2009, 01:15 AM
So, politicians shouldn't have a right to express their opinion? And actually pass the law.

I think that's what she's saying, actually. I greatly disagree with that. Should we just have a bunch of women who've been pregnant at some point in their lives be the only people who can make the laws?

Maybe I did generalize it to other concepts, but it's still greatly flawed in the end. Sure I've not been through it, but that does not mean I'm not allowed to give an opinion on the subject. It's most certainly fair for anyone to talk about it.

One thing I'm noticing is how incredibly anger-filled your posts are. Maybe people would be more willing to hear you out if you stopped cussing at everyone and flipping out...

Okay, I'm dancing dangerously close to sharing my opinion on abortion... time to depart :P

Little_Miss_1565
09-01-2009, 06:23 AM
God, this thread really works every time, doesn't it?

Apathy
09-01-2009, 07:33 AM
I mean, what if I started saying that people who aren't gay shouldn't be allowed to give an opinion on gay marriage?

This sounds alright to me.

I'm all for free speech so of course I don't really believe this, but there is a flaw with your idea that you can't silence an idea just because its not affecting them personally, because that's basically the entire problem with issues like abortion/gay marriage.

A bunch of people who have never and probably will never face the situation are the same people with the biggest mouths about it and it isn't affecting them personally, its affecting everyone else that is experiencing the issue. Then the people with the opinions crafted with no firsthand experience are dictating the actions of the people who actually have to live through it.

Of course the silencing of opinions is unrealistic, illegal, and immoral so there really isn't anything you can do about it now.

wheelchairman
09-01-2009, 09:44 AM
Every time Noodles Sara, everytime.

Some people should just know better.

JohnnyNemesis
09-01-2009, 10:00 AM
God, this thread really works every time, doesn't it?

This one lasted longer than any other. I actually was scared for a minute.

jacknife737
09-01-2009, 11:38 AM
Goddamnit people.

Jojan
09-01-2009, 12:28 PM
Pro. http://wada

Beaker
09-01-2009, 09:22 PM
wait wait wait... since when is RU486 considered a contraceptive? its an ABORTION pill. contraceptives PREVENT pregnancy, not terminate it! pay attention to your wording.

and what the fuck is wrong with depoprovera? Its a birth control shot. I don't see the problem. I'm on it.


a) have you had an abortion/unwanted pregnancy/given a child up for adoption? You said your friends have but not you. There is a difference between seeing someone you know make that choice and having to make it yourself. a BIG difference.

b)look a little closer at who started the thread.


I absolutely HATE it when people take a statement about a specific topic and then try to generalize it to everything else to prove that its an invalid way of thinking. Thats a terrible approach to trying to prove your point to anybody.

No one should have any right to tell any woman/teenage girl that she must forego abortion and carry a child to term and then give that child up for adoption. When its a fetus less than three months gestation, its just that... a fetus. Its surreal. Its not this living, breathing, crying, eating, pooping being that is forever a part of you. No matter how unwanted the child is, you still would get attached to it. After 9 months, its your child. And then you are forced to give it up? Whether because of your religion or your parents or whatever, thats just cruel!

Yes, some people abuse the availability of things like the abortion pill, but I don't see why that has to mean that everyone should have these unwanted children and then give them to some infertile couple. Just because they got pregnant, that doesn't mean they were careless. They could have done everything right and still these things can happen. So even those people should suffer through some of the most severe emotional pain that they could ever go through? Or they should keep the child in a home that can't full care for them? What about those people?

Once again, you are not listening, i did not say that drug was a contraception i just said it will be popular, and i did not say i have never had to make the choice either you are assuming i am just refering to my friends. of course i aint gunna say i had, i hate myself for it.

i have no problem with people doing it, but if they do it all the time its rediculous. I am not saying they should adopt it out i just said it makes me feel bad when it happens. Everyone has the right to terminate.

Plus depoprovera has intense side affects, i bled for a year before they could stop it, i have a specialist i see, and could be infertile. it is different for everyone.

wheelchairman
09-01-2009, 09:54 PM
I think we should use aborted fetuses for science. It's not like they need their baby-organs anyway.

And then the abortions are useful. Especially with women who get abortions all the time. Think of all the lives we could save by aborting unwanted children.

Beaker
09-02-2009, 06:09 PM
I think we should use aborted fetuses for science. It's not like they need their baby-organs anyway.

And then the abortions are useful. Especially with women who get abortions all the time. Think of all the lives we could save by aborting unwanted children.

:eek:

i cant believe you said that, i think the organs are not developed enough, good idea though.

Apathy
09-02-2009, 08:29 PM
:eek:

i cant believe you said that, i think the organs are not developed enough, good idea though.

Stem cells.

Beaker
09-02-2009, 11:23 PM
Stem cells.

that makes sence, i think there are too many laws guarding that topic,
gotta love stem cells though,

Sin Studly
09-03-2009, 01:25 AM
The thing I miss about Justin the most is the legion of bootlicking would-be trolls that flock to him every time he posts again. <3

The scary thing is, I'm fairly close to certain that these 'people' joined some time after I left. The fuck is up with that?

edit ; unless it's fuck_me under another name. Again.

wheelchairman
09-03-2009, 03:34 AM
Or some kind of organ incubator, how hard can it be?

Little_Miss_1565
09-03-2009, 07:47 AM
The scary thing is, I'm fairly close to certain that these 'people' joined some time after I left. The fuck is up with that?

The Legend of Sin Studly lives on as a tale of the old west before the big bad evil 1565 imposed her tyrannical will. Was there ever a Ballad for you?

sipptaroowsky
09-03-2009, 11:09 AM
I hate sarcasm(over the internet... I don't mind in person)

I totally agree, over the internet you don't see all the body language and all the priceless sounds, but in person it's magical.

Abortion is a western invention, it's created by spoiled little brats that can't be responsible for their doings and are motivated by the most primitive of all human egress, reproduction.

I'm completely against abortion, but I think the church should be completely ignored concerning this thing, however that is never going to happen, unfortunately. If you don't want a child then don't f**k.

Oh I've seen a chick on the news with her 8 year old doter, and she said „if abortion was legal 8 years ago my little angel would have never be born“. Abortion is just a dot on the sentence : „I am not responsible“.

RageAndLov
09-03-2009, 11:29 AM
I totally agree, over the internet you don't see all the body language and all the priceless sounds, but in person it's magical.

Abortion is a western invention, it's created by spoiled little brats that can't be responsible for their doings and are motivated by the most primitive of all human egress, reproduction.

I'm completely against abortion, but I think the church should be completely ignored concerning this thing, however that is never going to happen, unfortunately. If you don't want a child then don't f**k.

Oh I've seen a chick on the news with her 8 year old doter, and she said „if abortion was legal 8 years ago my little angel would have never be born“. Abortion is just a dot on the sentence : „I am not responsible“.

What if a woman gets raped and impregnated.

sipptaroowsky
09-03-2009, 01:27 PM
What if a woman gets raped and impregnated.

That's a tough one indeed, and I guess I'm noone to talk about these things since first of all I'm not a chick so how the hell am I to understand. But I think a woman should keep that baby, after all, it's a living thing there, and that thing has nothing to do with the rapist. But I understand that it would be dificult for a woman to make a decition to keep that child, but still, it should be kept, but what do I know.

Sin Studly
09-04-2009, 10:22 AM
The Legend of Sin Studly lives on as a tale of the old west before the big bad evil 1565 imposed her tyrannical will. Was there ever a Ballad for you?

Written by a true artist (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19090). no doubt.

Wild west, eh? I'd have set the metaphor in a crumbling Byzantine Empire, personally, but I guess we can't all have a modicum of refinement and pretentious faux-education in our choice of historical settings, can we now, pilgrim?

So who am I, Jesse James? Wild Bill? Johnny Ringo?

nieh
09-04-2009, 02:25 PM
Written by a true artist (http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19090). no doubt.

Wild west, eh? I'd have set the metaphor in a crumbling Byzantine Empire, personally, but I guess we can't all have a modicum of refinement and pretentious faux-education in our choice of historical settings, can we now, pilgrim?

So who am I, Jesse James? Wild Bill? Johnny Ringo?

That ballad doesn't rhyme at all. And you're probably more of a Ringo Starr.
...sorry.

NGNM85
09-08-2009, 06:58 PM
Abortion is a western invention, it's created by spoiled little brats that can't be responsible for their doings and are motivated by the most primitive of all human egress, reproduction.

Sanctimonious nonsense. It must be great being perfect. You’re also obviously expressing that vile religious notion that sex should be accompanied by a heavy measure of guilt, that we should be ashamed of it. Unfortunately, I was also raised catholic.


I'm completely against abortion, but I think the church should be completely ignored concerning this thing, however that is never going to happen,

Not as long as this mass delusion called religion still exists, but we can only hope… However, if you take religion out of the equation there is no logical reason to oppose abortion.


unfortunately. If you don't want a child then don't f**k.

Should people have sex responsibly? Totally. Of course it doesn’t help that all they’ve been getting is asinine “abstinence only” education, that they aren’t properly educated or aware of or have access to, contraceptives. Of course sometimes people do everything right, sometimes condoms break, even the pill has a very small margin of error.


Oh I've seen a chick on the news with her 8 year old doter, and she said „if abortion was legal 8 years ago my little angel would have never be born“

Oh my god, I can’t believe people still say this, it’s SO stupid. That is a total non-argument. You could just as easily say, “Well, if Adolf Hitler’s mother had an abortion..”, or any number of things, if her parents’ had been running twenty minutes late on the day they would’ve met, it could’ve been one of billions of variables, this is a non-statement.


. Abortion is just a dot on the sentence : „I am not responsible“.

More sanctimonious horseshit.


That's a tough one indeed, and I guess I'm noone to talk about these things since first of all I'm not a chick so how the hell am I to understand.

That’s the first remotely intelligent thing you’ve said.


But I think a woman should keep that baby, after all, it's a living thing there, and that thing has nothing to do with the rapist. But I understand that it would be dificult for a woman to make a decition to keep that child, but still, it should be kept,

It is definitely “alive’, but so is my index finger, my left back molar, and the roots of my hair. Just because something IS alive, doesn’t mean it constitutes A life. This is an enormous distinction. Now roughly 88% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, we also know that the brain isn’t fully formed until 10-13 weeks. Ergo, it would be safe to say around half or more abortions are performed before the development of the brain. Now, witout a brain, it doesn’t constitute a life. The brain is the physical manifestation of consciousness, without invoking religious bullshit, there’s no other way to see it. Therefore, there shouldn’t even be a problem for at least half of abortions, because a life was not terminated. (I’d also mention one in five pregnancies miscarry anyways, often for no discernible reason.)
There are also MANY reasons why a woman would have this procedure. The later abortions, like D&X procedures, often mischaracterized as “partial-birth abortions”, are virtually exclusively performed because the mother is going to die if they don’t, or because the fetus has a hopeless, fatal deformity, or disease, or because the fetus is ALREADY DEAD.
These are also the reason behind a lot of earlier abortions. There’s also the victims of rape, who I think would be more than happy to rebut your perspective on what they “should” do with their bodies. They were already beaten and violated, why not force them to carry the offspring of what was probably the most awful experience of their lives for nine months, right?

But what about the women who weren’t brutalized, or will die during pregnancy, or have babies that are missing vital organs or are already dead? Well, you’d say it’s a slam dunk in that case, right? Well, only if you reduce women, instead of equal human beings with rights and feelings, to talking incubators. Try to wrap your mind around it this way,…if I need a kidney transplant, should I be legally allowed to forcibly make you donate it to me? Ok.

I want to add to this. Ok, say you take a woman who is completely irresponsible (Which is hardly the majority.). you want to make her a parent? "Oh no, she can just put it up for adoption." News flash, we already have too many kids in the system, they don't all get adopted, the older they get, the less likely it is. So, essentially, your answer is to fuck up two lives. You don't have to be Stephen Hawking to see that doesn't help anybody.


but what do I know.

Not much, from the looks of it.

Al Coholic
09-09-2009, 10:04 PM
You're still here? It's been a while since I've skimmed over your posts.

offsrx
09-10-2009, 11:29 AM
...Dexter134stupidnumbers....

HAHAHAHA:) funny..


Sperm are living things too. Does that mean anyone that masturbates is committing genocide?

:) hahahah!
I've heard a joke about that one


I totally agree, over the internet you don't see all the body language and all the priceless sounds, but in person it's magical.

Abortion is a western invention, it's created by spoiled little brats that can't be responsible for their doings and are motivated by the most primitive of all human egress, reproduction.

I'm completely against abortion, but I think the church should be completely ignored concerning this thing, however that is never going to happen, unfortunately. If you don't want a child then don't f**k.

Oh I've seen a chick on the news with her 8 year old doter, and she said „if abortion was legal 8 years ago my little angel would have never be born“. Abortion is just a dot on the sentence : „I am not responsible“.

Agree.
Ok now, Imagine this(i'm talking to everyone):
What would have happend, if somebody here from forums, back 20 or more years, their mother said "I don't want a child" and aborts it, then that guy would have never been born, and worst of all would have never even existed!

Harleyquiiinn
09-10-2009, 12:23 PM
HAHAHAHA:) funny..



:) hahahah!
I've heard a joke about that one



Agree.
Ok now, Imagine this(i'm talking to everyone):
What would have happend, if somebody here from forums, back 20 or more years, their mother said "I don't want a child" and aborts it, then that guy would have never been born, and worst of all would have never even existed!

Yes but if I had never existed, honestly, I wouldn't care if my mother wanted to abort or not...

offsrx
09-10-2009, 12:41 PM
Yes but if I had never existed, honestly, I wouldn't care if my mother wanted to abort or not...

Well, nobody asked us weather we want to be born or not.
And now you are born thanks to your mother!
it's not on us to don't give life a chance, when we already made a life.. There would be no Offspring if Dexter or Greg K. wasn't born..
What would then be!:eek:

Llamas
09-10-2009, 12:43 PM
Well, nobody asked us weather we want to be born or not.
And now you are born thanks to your mother!
it's not on us to don't give life a chance, when we already made a life.. There would be no Offspring if Dexter or Greg K. wasn't born..
What would then be!:eek:

As has been said numerous times, sure some good people like Dexter may not have been born, but Hitler could have not been born, as well. There are just as many terrible people who could have been aborted.

Harleyquiiinn
09-10-2009, 12:45 PM
Well, nobody asked us weather we want to be born or not.
And now you are born thanks to your mother!
it's not on us to don't give life a chance, when we already made a life.. There would be no Offspring if Dexter or Greg K. wasn't born..
What would then be!:eek:

Very good point but then not so good because if we go there, I can tell you where 6 million jews/gays/roms/etc would be if Hitler weren't born... but I won't do that because as I said, it's not a very good point to decide wether or not you're in favor of the right to abort... (because... you know... I don't think anyone is in favor of abortion per se. Just the right to do it if you have to).

And to answer your question, I am happy I was born, but even more happier when I know that my mother had the right to abort and chose to have me.

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
09-10-2009, 04:33 PM
Sanctimonious nonsense. It must be great being perfect. You’re also obviously expressing that vile religious notion that sex should be accompanied by a heavy measure of guilt, that we should be ashamed of it. Unfortunately, I was also raised catholic.



Not as long as this mass delusion called religion still exists, but we can only hope… However, if you take religion out of the equation there is no logical reason to oppose abortion.



Should people have sex responsibly? Totally. Of course it doesn’t help that all they’ve been getting is asinine “abstinence only” education, that they aren’t properly educated or aware of or have access to, contraceptives. Of course sometimes people do everything right, sometimes condoms break, even the pill has a very small margin of error.



Oh my god, I can’t believe people still say this, it’s SO stupid. That is a total non-argument. You could just as easily say, “Well, if Adolf Hitler’s mother had an abortion..”, or any number of things, if her parents’ had been running twenty minutes late on the day they would’ve met, it could’ve been one of billions of variables, this is a non-statement.



More sanctimonious horseshit.



That’s the first remotely intelligent thing you’ve said.



It is definitely “alive’, but so is my index finger, my left back molar, and the roots of my hair. Just because something IS alive, doesn’t mean it constitutes A life. This is an enormous distinction. Now roughly 88% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, we also know that the brain isn’t fully formed until 10-13 weeks. Ergo, it would be safe to say around half or more abortions are performed before the development of the brain. Now, witout a brain, it doesn’t constitute a life. The brain is the physical manifestation of consciousness, without invoking religious bullshit, there’s no other way to see it. Therefore, there shouldn’t even be a problem for at least half of abortions, because a life was not terminated. (I’d also mention one in five pregnancies miscarry anyways, often for no discernible reason.)
There are also MANY reasons why a woman would have this procedure. The later abortions, like D&X procedures, often mischaracterized as “partial-birth abortions”, are virtually exclusively performed because the mother is going to die if they don’t, or because the fetus has a hopeless, fatal deformity, or disease, or because the fetus is ALREADY DEAD.
These are also the reason behind a lot of earlier abortions. There’s also the victims of rape, who I think would be more than happy to rebut your perspective on what they “should” do with their bodies. They were already beaten and violated, why not force them to carry the offspring of what was probably the most awful experience of their lives for nine months, right?

But what about the women who weren’t brutalized, or will die during pregnancy, or have babies that are missing vital organs or are already dead? Well, you’d say it’s a slam dunk in that case, right? Well, only if you reduce women, instead of equal human beings with rights and feelings, to talking incubators. Try to wrap your mind around it this way,…if I need a kidney transplant, should I be legally allowed to forcibly make you donate it to me? Ok.

I want to add to this. Ok, say you take a woman who is completely irresponsible (Which is hardly the majority.). you want to make her a parent? "Oh no, she can just put it up for adoption." News flash, we already have too many kids in the system, they don't all get adopted, the older they get, the less likely it is. So, essentially, your answer is to fuck up two lives. You don't have to be Stephen Hawking to see that doesn't help anybody.



Not much, from the looks of it.

i like this guy. and his Sid Vicious avatar

NGNM85
09-11-2009, 12:55 PM
i like this guy. and his Sid Vicious avatar

Why, thank you. :D

wheelchairman
09-12-2009, 05:39 AM
You do realize you are participating in a debate on abortion, yes?

sylvian
09-14-2009, 02:05 AM
How can some people approve of abortion yet disapprove of capital punishment? How can a person approve of abortion, which is the death of innocent human life, yet be against capital punishment, which is the execution of guilty humans who have murdered people. It doesn't make sense! How can people be "humane" by disapproving capital punishment but still believe in abortion?
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Llamas
09-14-2009, 04:38 AM
How can some people approve of abortion yet disapprove of capital punishment?
How can a person approve of abortion, which is the death of innocent human life, yet be against capital punishment, which is the execution of guilty humans who have murdered people. It doesn't make sense! How can people be "humane" by disapproving capital punishment but still believe in abortion?

I've always thought this, as well, and it's just as odd when people are against abortion and pro capital punishment.

Personally, I support both to an extent, but I also have issues with both. My main beef with capital punishment is how incredibly expensive one execution is. It's far too commercial and extravagant. It doesn't need to have spectators, or electric chair, or all the money that goes into it. Keep the guy in some sort of a normal prison cell and then give him some drug. Cheap and efficient.

PedroACastro
09-14-2009, 08:14 AM
i'm for abortion and against capital punishment. the thing about abortion is that there's a line where you can decide if your killing a life or not. sure there's life at the first cell but does the fetus have a brain does he know what happening around him? no. thats why abortion occurs when the fetus hasn't been born. where on the other hand a person who is sentenced to death has a life, he probably has a family, people who love him and he left his mark on this world. not to mention the risk of the man actually being innocent. so yeah is we simplify it as much as we can its basically just killing 2 lifes. but i honestly don't think people that are for abortion should be for capital punishement or vice versa

jacknife737
09-14-2009, 10:45 AM
I've always thought this, as well, and it's just as odd when people are against abortion and pro capital punishment.

Personally, I support both to an extent, but I also have issues with both. My main beef with capital punishment is how incredibly expensive one execution is. It's far too commercial and extravagant. It doesn't need to have spectators, or electric chair, or all the money that goes into it. Keep the guy in some sort of a normal prison cell and then give him some drug. Cheap and efficient.

That's not really why it's so expensive; the real cost is in the legal process associated with capital punishment, ie the appeal process.

Llamas
09-14-2009, 10:48 AM
That's not really why it's so expensive; the real cost is in the legal process associated with capital punishment, ie the appeal process.

Ah, I figured there was more to it. That stuff is a lot harder to get around, though.

Rag Doll
09-14-2009, 10:56 AM
That stuff is a lot harder to get around, though.


As it should be.

Llamas
09-14-2009, 11:04 AM
As it should be.

I meant that it's harder to cut costs in those areas.

Harleyquiiinn
09-14-2009, 12:39 PM
Wah you are going to put death penalty AND abortion in the same thread ! Fights ² :D

Free?
09-14-2009, 12:53 PM
It was news to me that death penalties are costly. Who pays for them? Who gets richer?
Pardon my ignorance, but me and my men of tribe Wachutu just decapitate all the horse fuckers, pedophiles and scum like that without giving any big amounts of ears to anyone.

Superdope
09-14-2009, 01:11 PM
Ears as currency is so 400 B.C.

IamSam
09-14-2009, 03:46 PM
Ears as currency is so 400 B.C.

Phalli is where it's at.

Jules69
09-14-2009, 04:27 PM
There is already a thread about this. Abortion is murder. Once fertilized it is a living creature.

No it is not and that is untrue!!! I was not able to support even myself so I did have one 10 years ago!!!

dexter12296566
09-14-2009, 04:29 PM
Like when you jab a knife 44 times in a victim?

How exactly it's living? Like a bacteria or an ant that you just stepped on and "murdered" it? And what kind of creature is it. Like a 100% healthy 18 years old adult?

When that "creature" has a serious defect, should we let it live?

I only belive in being able to humanely euthanize if the creature is suffering such as a severely and unfixable dog that will suffer and then die. you do not kill something because of a genetic defect. i do not even kill insects. Although bacteria are living things they are genetically programmed and do not have minds and are usually dangerous.

Llamas
09-14-2009, 04:35 PM
bacteria ... and are usually dangerous.

False! Most bacteria are good. Your body is full of bacteria that your body needs in order to function.

dexter12296566
09-14-2009, 04:53 PM
False! Most bacteria are good. Your body is full of bacteria that your body needs in order to function.

there are good ones but although there are many good ones there are actually more bad ones and anyway this is not a biology thread(i should start one though)

T-6005
09-14-2009, 07:08 PM
Or some more meaningless inanities?

chicapowerpunk
09-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Abortion is the best option for unwanted children!!!!!!!

wheelchairman
09-26-2009, 06:12 AM
Perhaps someday abortions will be a renewable energy source.

BKDH_1984
09-27-2009, 02:35 AM
What's your opinion on abortions?

I don't care at all. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Lizilla
10-03-2009, 05:46 AM
Really interesting to see so much division hey.

Personally I believe it should be an option to every woman (and if she is in a position where the man DOES have a say then him also).

Adoption is hard, could you really imagine carrying around a baby for 9 months, going through the pain of birth and then giving it up? If you cant then abortion is a valid option.

HOWEVER, I do not believe girls should use it as a form of contraception. Whether the woman wants to believe it or not it will affect her for the rest of her life - whether its with guilt or not. Its something you will remember.

I still think it should be an option though. What if you cant afford a baby, what if you were raped...the list is endless.

IamSam
10-03-2009, 09:24 PM
Perhaps someday abortions will be a renewable energy source.

It would be simple. You would have a pink tinted container filled with perfluorocarbons which allows the fetus/baby/thing to continue to live while sucking what voltage and power it emits through a network or tubes and cables into a large machine type device that then turns it into something usable.

Someone please get this.

jacknife737
10-03-2009, 10:09 PM
It would be simple. You would have a pink tinted container filled with perfluorocarbons which allows the fetus/baby/thing to continue to live while sucking what voltage and power it emits through a network or tubes and cables into a large machine type device that then turns it into something usable.

Someone please get this.

I see what you did tharrrrrr

IamSam
10-04-2009, 06:02 PM
I see what you did tharrrrrr

Yes. You win sir. I have decided that I am going to have to come meet you in person sometime because you are so full of awesomeness.

BandWithoutAName
10-04-2009, 07:23 PM
Kill the little bastards.

IamSam
10-04-2009, 07:49 PM
Kill the little bastards.

You're a cheeky fellow.

brothadave79
10-05-2009, 01:11 PM
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!

Moose
10-25-2009, 11:23 PM
Can't we just say that it is kind of a fucked up situation, but shouldn't be made illegal because it will just create even worse situations...

...and people will find a ways around it anyway.


i wouldn't go as far to say that I think it is wrong, but I wouldn't want to ever be in the situation to have it done with my significant other. I would rather not have it done, and I do feel like you are getting rid of something, that if you did not get rid of, would eventually become a living thing.


but there are several problems that can come along with making it illegal:

1) making abortion illegal may lead to other trends of certain rights being taken away: the pill for one...then what about stretching it further, since this is a moral issue...people can say guns kill people and take that away as well...etc. etc.

1) a woman can be put in a more dangerous situation, because they may be desperate and look for: underground abortions, abortion pills, and other things, some extreme, that people will do to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

2) certain situations just call for the option of abortion to exist: too young, rape, incest, threatening the mother's life, etc.
-im not sure how certain pro-life people ignore these things when the argument comes up

3) then there is the psychological issue for the mother: the mother that never wanted the child may grow to hate the child, or may leave the child on a doorstep, or the child may end up in a foster home, basically living a life that will never get the any sort of fair chance.

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sadly, there are people that use abortion like they should use a condom, but the negatives of making abortion illegal, outweigh the negatives of having it exist. it is a choice.