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the_GoDdEsS
01-27-2005, 12:06 PM
For practical reasons... If you ever need a nice CV, get this. I shall make use of them soon.

http://www.cedefop.eu.int/transparency/cv.asp

TheUnholyNightbringer
01-27-2005, 12:07 PM
Excellent! I shall use that muchly.

Many thanks.

the_GoDdEsS
01-27-2005, 12:09 PM
You're welcome! I think they're awesome and real useful.

wliethof
01-27-2005, 12:10 PM
I will need that in about 3 to 4 years!

Lars
01-27-2005, 12:14 PM
Thank you! I was going to re-work my CV today and that'll help improve it.

RXP
01-27-2005, 12:21 PM
I'd thank you but I ain't European.

wliethof
01-27-2005, 12:26 PM
you damn well are! bloody english people thinking the UK isn't part of Europe

TheUnholyNightbringer
01-27-2005, 12:27 PM
Some English people are outrageously paranoid about Europe.

RXP
01-27-2005, 12:33 PM
You're such a fool if you think that.

You have no idea how undemocratic the EU is. NO IDEA.

Tizzalicious
01-27-2005, 01:01 PM
What's wrong with Europe??

RXP
01-27-2005, 01:03 PM
Nothing wrong with Europe but there is lots of things wrong with teh EU>

wliethof
01-27-2005, 01:05 PM
enlighten us please

RXP
01-27-2005, 01:07 PM
Dudes I don't have time to go into it at this stage. But there's plenty on google about it.

But basically they are simply inventing law when it just doesn't exist. They have democratic deficits everywhere. And they are ruiling without a mandate. THeir mandate is the treaties but the ECJ just takes the piss at reads whatever it pleases into the treaties.

wliethof
01-27-2005, 01:18 PM
laws have to start somewhere. The dutch constitution was made in 1848. did they make up laws that didnt exist then? Holland, as many other countries, has democratic deficits. We're supposed to have an ID with us at all times, from age 14 and up. The government decided to do this, even though lots of people didn't want it. That you can get thrown in jail for not being able to identify yourself is quite lame. The government pretty much laughs at what the people think.

where was I going with this? ahh! The EU is doing pretty much as the Dutch government, just like many other countries. And they all function. So why would the EU be any worse?

RXP
01-27-2005, 01:23 PM
Becuase unlike the Dutch constiution or the constiution of any country the EU doesn't have it's source of power in some revoultion or changing of the guard. So it can't just start from scratch. It has its power in the fact that WE THE PEOPLE OF EUROPE, in our SOVERIGN countries GAVE them the authority to legislate for his IN CERTAIN FIELDS.

We agreed to the treaties. But the ECJ is reading things into the treaty that simply don't exist. Direct Effect of directives is a great example of this. It's fucking stupid and unlawful.

The ultimate source of law in any country is ultimately the constiution and the revoultion or whatever behind that. The EU's source of power is each country giving them power. Not their soverignty. I personally don't like the idea of some judges in the ECJ legislating for me when they are rich toffs.

Don't get me wrong, a lotta the time it's for the best but I just don't like it. Tell it like it is. Don't pretend your doing something.

wliethof
01-27-2005, 01:33 PM
But thats essentially what all democratic governments do. they get the power from the people, they vote for them. and once they're voted for, they go and do what they think is best for the people...

Vicky
01-27-2005, 01:36 PM
im british and proud.

RXP
01-27-2005, 01:38 PM
But our contries expressly granted the EU powers as defined in the treaties. Yet they are walking all over the treaties. That some countries may do it is neither here nor there, two wrongs don't make a right. But it's even worse in the EU's case because it isn't a nation state. We gave them express powers. We didn't give them a free role to do anything they please.

A court with a political purpose is no court at all, furthermore. ECJ just extend whenever they can EU's powers.

While I agree with you sometimes rules need to be made without consent but when the the SOURCE of the power is the actual treaties then you should, no you must follow them. I would have no problems with the EU if they where honest and said what everyone knows what they are doing. But they don't.

And I seriously have a problem with economic union. It's crazy. And 3rd world dumping: it's cruel.

wliethof
01-27-2005, 01:45 PM
you've got a point there. But I still think that as long as we don't turn into a united states type of thing, it'll be allright. I don't know much about economics, but I do know we're not poor at all, so we can take a bit of economic depression.

RXP
01-27-2005, 01:53 PM
The main problem I have with economic harmonisation, well fiscal harmonisation is each country is so different to have one economy is crazy. It's cyclical factors that would be devistating and Europe tends to vote crazy parties in when depression hits.

wheelchairman
01-27-2005, 01:53 PM
I have to agree with RXP completely. I am not a law student, so I can't go into a law-perspective of it, however democracy-wise whenever you centralize a an entire region, the rights and voting power of one person is significantly decreased. Denmark, when you voted in it, you are one of five million, with the entire EU you are one of tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions.

There is also the horrible problems they have with corruption, the Service Directive which is a Neo-Liberal economic policy they are trying to shove down the throats of all nation, the destruction of national sovereighnty with the new constitution, the increase in militarization, all kinds of horrible trade regulations which make us more exploitative than the US when it comes to free-trade, which is odd since the EU was founded on a free-trade principle, but whatever, I am no liberal so they can wallow in their own hypocracy. The exploitation of Eastern European workers in the western world at Eastern European wages and without union representation (thus a weakening in the strong western European unions).

It was a great concept, but it'sreally not going to be too helpful for the average EU citizen.

RXP
01-27-2005, 01:58 PM
I just realised I wonder what Marxists make of the EU, they might have a point in the whole benefiting the rich.

the free trade thing really really pisses me off. It's fine for europe to have free trade but fuck the rest of the world. All this EU hippies bang on about the US but they don't realise how Europe is worse.

wliethof
01-27-2005, 02:09 PM
I'm good at english, but if you use words like that, I get lost. I'd get lost even in dutch! Just gets too boring to even pay attention to what I'm reading.

wheelchairman
01-27-2005, 02:16 PM
I just realised I wonder what Marxists make of the EU, they might have a point in the whole benefiting the rich.

the free trade thing really really pisses me off. It's fine for europe to have free trade but fuck the rest of the world. All this EU hippies bang on about the US but they don't realise how Europe is worse.
Marxists are rather split on the issue. Although in my opinion no real marxist can support the EU.

Pinocchio
01-27-2005, 02:44 PM
Marxists are rather split on the issue. Although in my opinion no real marxist can support the EU.

That`s as true as true can be.
If a marxist is saying that EU is a good thing, then he/she simply isn`t a marxist.
That person would brake the most essential ideas of marxism.
I think marxism(still don`t know if I`m typing it wrong,anyway) has a good purpose,
and good aims but in this world that runs with money they can`t come true...
partly because people like me don`t believe they could come true. god damn us pessimists.
marxism has a lot to give to psychology believe it or not.

Noodles is gay
01-27-2005, 02:44 PM
I too agree with RXP - i'm english never european; if britain accepts the euro it will be a huge mistake...anyway though:

Back on topic:


For practical reasons... If you ever need a nice CV, get this. I shall make use of them soon.

http://www.cedefop.eu.int/transparency/cv.asp

I know this is gonna sound extremely dumb, but anyway:

What's that? The thingy one has to fill in when applying for a job or sometimes university? And i just download the EN one and fill in the boxes?

Yes that does sound dumb, but i can't believe it could be that easy!

If it is; cheers! :D

wheelchairman
01-27-2005, 02:49 PM
That`s as true as true can be.
If a marxist is saying that EU is a good thing, then he/she simply isn`t a marxist.
That person would brake the most essential ideas of marxism.
I think marxism(still don`t know if I`m typing it wrong,anyway) has a good purpose,
and good aims but in this world that runs with money they can`t come true...
partly because people like me don`t believe they could come true. god damn us pessimists.
marxism has a lot to give to psychology believe it or not.
Well the theory among EU-supporting Marxists, is that they believe the EU can be reformed into a socialist organization. But this really goes against basic marxism in my opinion, (using the political infrastructure of the former system wouldn't actually change much, it certainly wouldn't change things enough), and the right-wing forces in the EU are far too strong.

So communism failed in Eastern Europe because people were pessimistic?

wheelchairman
01-27-2005, 02:50 PM
I too agree with RXP - i'm english never european; if britain accepts the euro it will be a huge mistake...anyway though:

Back on topic:



I know this is gonna sound extremely dumb, but anyway:

What's that? The thingy one has to fill in when applying for a job or sometimes university? And i just download the EN one and fill in the boxes?

Yes that does sound dumb, but i can't believe it could be that easy!

If it is; cheers! :D
I believe the Brits would call it what we Americans do, a resumé.

gradeA
01-27-2005, 02:50 PM
europe sucks simply because i don't live there.

the_GoDdEsS
01-27-2005, 02:59 PM
I too agree with RXP - i'm english never european; if britain accepts the euro it will be a huge mistake...anyway though:

Back on topic:



I know this is gonna sound extremely dumb, but anyway:

What's that? The thingy one has to fill in when applying for a job or sometimes university? And i just download the EN one and fill in the boxes?

Yes that does sound dumb, but i can't believe it could be that easy!

If it is; cheers! :D

Sure, just a regular better-looking CV.

Noodles is gay
01-27-2005, 03:01 PM
^^ Ah ok then, cheers!


I believe the Brits would call it what we Americans do, a resumé.

Yup occasionally, also a CV though - i'm just very tired and easily confused.


My CV is really quite appalling - i just start going on about my love of punk music and my bad sense of humour. :p

the_GoDdEsS
01-27-2005, 03:03 PM
My CV is starting to be a real nice collection of activities. =) I always refer to it as a 'collection'.

Pinocchio
01-27-2005, 03:12 PM
Well the theory among EU-supporting Marxists, is that they believe the EU can be reformed into a socialist organization. But this really goes against basic marxism in my opinion, (using the political infrastructure of the former system wouldn't actually change much, it certainly wouldn't change things enough), and the right-wing forces in the EU are far too strong.

So communism failed in Eastern Europe because people were pessimistic?

thats a tough question... let`s speculate a bit.. what if people would have really believed in marxism unanimously, could the faith in what they were doing have actually saved the basic principles of communism? tho they say the whole crash of the communism was a paradox.. maybe they weren`t ready for the communism yet or maybe they were too late.. hard to say.
or maybe the leaders of the sovient union fucked the thing up.
why do people who doesn`t know anything about communism and marxism think that their bad things? it`s very common here among less educated people..
by the way, did you know that there are many small villages in this world that live by rules of pure communism and they are doing just fine..?
maybe the sovient union was too big to handle the thing..
It`s a pity

Noodles is gay
01-27-2005, 03:12 PM
^^ sounds nice :D

A fragment of my appalling one:

"Specific Skills
-Quick to learn, I can generally pick up new technology or how to do something new, quickly.
-Good sense of humour (if slightly odd), this allows me to get along with others easily.
-I have quite good computer skills, both with programs I’m familiar with and at quickly picking up how to work new software.
-I enjoy working in a team to achieve goals, such as the school house teams, but I think that one of my weaknesses is that I can be harsh on people who aren’t putting enough effort in or are just relying on other people in the team."

Damn i'm bored to dig that out! :eek:

Tijs
01-27-2005, 04:40 PM
I use my CV is a mousepad :o
I copied them too many times apperently...

wheelchairman
01-27-2005, 04:43 PM
thats a tough question... let`s speculate a bit.. what if people would have really believed in marxism unanimously, could the faith in what they were doing have actually saved the basic principles of communism? tho they say the whole crash of the communism was a paradox.. maybe they weren`t ready for the communism yet or maybe they were too late.. hard to say.
or maybe the leaders of the sovient union fucked the thing up.
why do people who doesn`t know anything about communism and marxism think that their bad things? it`s very common here among less educated people..
by the way, did you know that there are many small villages in this world that live by rules of pure communism and they are doing just fine..?
maybe the sovient union was too big to handle the thing..
It`s a pity
Nothing has ever complete unanimitity (I have no idea how to spell that.) Capitalism and the corresponding form of democracy that goes with it, were called crazy and idealistic, and that they couldn't possibly work in practice. And there was never a 100% popular following behind them, yet they seem to work. The problem with what happened in Eastern Europe lies much deeper. I believe it would have a lot to do with the size yes, but also the time and the experience of those implementing the marxist state.

Pinocchio
01-28-2005, 04:27 AM
Nothing has ever complete unanimitity (I have no idea how to spell that.) Capitalism and the corresponding form of democracy that goes with it, were called crazy and idealistic, and that they couldn't possibly work in practice. And there was never a 100% popular following behind them, yet they seem to work. The problem with what happened in Eastern Europe lies much deeper. I believe it would have a lot to do with the size yes, but also the time and the experience of those implementing the marxist state.

that`s pretty much like I see it.. tho I have to admit that I don`thave enough knowledge about the thing to discuss it more deeply, the propaganda and the teaching methods and everything influences the view I`ve been given..
I visited the site of yours and the message board and I`m quite confinced that you know ten times more about the issues than I do. I find marxism good and as far as I`m concerned it`s the lack of knowledgement that makes people see the communism as a threat.
I have a great deal of ideas on the issue under consideration from the psychological perspective but not so much from the political..
I was once part of the "right-wing", but got the whole new view of things in highschool when reading philosophy,psychology and history.

wheelchairman
01-28-2005, 04:38 AM
that`s pretty much like I see it.. tho I have to admit that I don`thave enough knowledge about the thing to discuss it more deeply, the propaganda and the teaching methods and everything influences the view I`ve been given..
I visited the site of yours and the message board and I`m quite confinced that you know ten times more about the issues than I do. I find marxism good and as far as I`m concerned it`s the lack of knowledgement that makes people see the communism as a threat.
I have a great deal of ideas on the issue under consideration from the psychological perspective but not so much from the political..
I was once part of the "right-wing", but got the whole new view of things in highschool when reading philosophy,psychology and history.
There's discussion on the forums of my link? hmm generally it's rather tame discussion, if it only rarely touches upon marxism. Here www.soviet-empire.com you will find some marxist discussion, although be warned, most of those people I would describe as 'vulgar-marxists' or 'illiterate-marxists' who have decided to become marxists without properly knowing the foundations of the theory.

and just to point out, when I was 14, I had political views that were *very* much akin to what a Libertarian would've had. Luckily I became educated.

Pinocchio
01-28-2005, 04:46 AM
, although be warned, most of those people I would describe as 'vulgar-marxists' or 'illiterate-marxists' who have decided to become marxists without properly knowing the foundations of the theory.

that happens everywhere.. I think it`s rather stupid. Which is ironic, since I just called myself stupid, I jumped in to the buddhism when I was younger and more stupid, tried to learn everything there was to know about it until one day I found out that there is no right and wrong in it and it can`t be learned by reading stuff. That`s a terrible example but anyway..
I will check out that site right now.

Pinocchio
01-28-2005, 04:56 AM
holy crap, that site looks good, thanks.
I don`t think I`m going to post anything for awhile, though.
I`ll be watching from the side for a while and most likely start posting when I really have something to say there.
Nonetheless, I could create a profile now.

ey-drien
01-28-2005, 05:24 AM
For practical reasons... If you ever need a nice CV, get this. I shall make use of them soon.

http://www.cedefop.eu.int/transparency/cv.asp
Thanks for the link! It shall become especially usefull if I ever apply somewhere in a foreign country :)

wheelchairman
01-28-2005, 05:56 AM
holy crap, that site looks good, thanks.
I don`t think I`m going to post anything for awhile, though.
I`ll be watching from the side for a while and most likely start posting when I really have something to say there.
Nonetheless, I could create a profile now.
The best way to define your arguments and see where you have contradictions, is through debate.

Also you should think of joining Novaya Zemlya, it's rather interesting how micronations work. Because the interaction between groups and people are relatively the same. (If you read the history of NZ you will see how in the USSR the military played a role that is quite similar to what plays in real life, as a vanguard of conservatism.)

Pinocchio
01-28-2005, 01:43 PM
I`m not sure if I have enough time for a decent citizenship.
hmmm... needs a few days to think about it.
sounds like an interesting place and I love vodka.
I`ll do some serious thinking on this issue.