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IamSam
03-04-2010, 08:38 AM
Watch this with my blessing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPI0Ty57VTA) and then try to tell me that Fox News isn't a bunch of cotton headed ninny muggins.

wheelchairman
03-04-2010, 08:45 AM
Those wool-headed buffoons have more pride than a Shaido with one goat.

Llamas
03-04-2010, 11:31 AM
I like this a lot.

I was talking about health care to some of my students the other day... they were like "why hasn't health care passed in the US yet???" and I was like "Republicans." and they were like "So what do the Republicans suggest instead?" and I was like, "Uhhhhhh... nothing?" They really couldn't believe it. Sad state of affairs...

Superdope
03-04-2010, 12:34 PM
There's a little something called history...

BAM! Weiner got roasted, pun so intended.

jacknife737
03-04-2010, 02:16 PM
That was pretty fun to watch.

I really hate to sound like a condescending Canadian douche, but this whole health care debate in the US is just perplexing to me.

T-6005
03-04-2010, 02:25 PM
That was pretty fun to watch.

I really hate to sound like a condescending Canadian douche, but this whole health care debate in the US is just perplexing to me.

Seems to me Stephen Harper's pretty much sexing up your health care system and never calling it back.

jacknife737
03-04-2010, 02:47 PM
Seems to me Stephen Harper's pretty much sexing up your health care system and never calling it back.

Yeah, but how could you say no to this?

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/stephen-harper-kitten.jpg

But any talk of health reform is just playing to his Alberta-reform base, rather than a serious effort at changing policy.

T-6005
03-04-2010, 02:50 PM
I'm terrified for that kitten's life.

Offspring-Junkie
03-10-2010, 08:27 AM
http://www.filmsprung.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/alf1.jpg

Apathy
03-16-2010, 03:04 PM
Anthony Weiner is a good guy but past that he's also very funny...anyone catch him on The Daily Show a month or two ago? That was gold, jerry, gold!

mario_spaghettio
03-16-2010, 10:46 PM
The proposed Obama healthcare bill is complete garbage. No thanks.

IamSam
03-21-2010, 08:02 PM
Uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss baby.

jacknife737
03-21-2010, 08:42 PM
Well done.

I hope Glenn Beck's head explodes.

IamSam
03-21-2010, 08:50 PM
Well done.

I hope Glenn Beck's head explodes.

http://dalecityknightz.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/face-melt.jpg

Llamas
03-21-2010, 09:10 PM
and boom goes the dynamite.

mario_spaghettio
03-21-2010, 09:22 PM
EPIC FAIL America.

WebDudette
03-21-2010, 10:26 PM
This something I have spent absolutely no time looking at. I really do feel like I should know more about it, I'll read into it sometime soon. Anyway, if anyone knows if/when Glenn Beck addresses this, I would love a link. I was listening to a re-run of one of his radio shows today, guy is fucking crazy.

IamSam
03-22-2010, 06:03 AM
This something I have spent absolutely no time looking at. I really do feel like I should know more about it, I'll read into it sometime soon.

A summary for your reading enjoyment. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-20/what-are-we-about-to-pass/)

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 09:12 AM
EPIC FAIL America.

Yes, now you are all socialists like these euro pansies. I can't wait before I see a red flag on the White House.

Congratulations :)

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 12:43 PM
Death to socialist pigs

Thomas
03-22-2010, 12:44 PM
Death to socialist pigs

Just out of curiosity, without looking it up, could you define Socialism?

rlplaymaker
03-22-2010, 01:08 PM
The Problem with Health Care for everyone is....it has never worked. Ever. Like ever ever. Thats why all my canadian friends come down to the states to get procedures done. Thats why the Governor of Newfoundland came to New York to get surgery. Read history, knuckleheads. I don't get easily led moronic youth that get all their news from Stewart and Colbert. Pick up a damn history book and read. Big Government has never been good. And I never understood 'punks', they always seem to be wanting to be free, they don't want 'the man' fucking with them, yet they all support big governments that are waaayyyy more involved in every day life. WTF, really guys? Thats what the song "Pay the Man" is about. To answer the last question, socialism is the wealth of society being brought to good use for everyone. Its taking money from everyone, mainly the rich people of course because they have the most, and passing it around to everyone. This is being displayed by taxing wealthy people and people that HAVE insurance, to allow people who don't ( less than ten percent of americans) to have insurance. But like Thatcher said back in the day, " the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Look over in Europe for the proof, how's Greece doin? Look, I'm broke as a joke, but I never look for a handout. I have health insurance for the first time in my life, i worked my ass off to get it, and now I have people telling me that just because they were born, they deserve it. In the spirit of punk, DC needs to stay the fuck out of my life, my doctor's office, and leave me alone. I will do what I want, and in the spirit of our beloved Offspring...." I wont pay, I wont Pay-ay, No way ay ay ay. Nah Nah why dont you get a job." and welcome me back to the forums, bitches.

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 01:11 PM
The Problem with Health Care for everyone is....it has never worked. Ever. Like ever ever. Thats why all my canadian friends come down to the states to get procedures done. Thats why the Governor of Newfoundland came to New York to get surgery. Read history, knuckleheads. I don't get easily led moronic youth that get all their news from Stewart and Colbert. Pick up a damn history book and read. Big Government has never been good. And I never understood 'punks', they always seem to be wanting to be free, they don't want 'the man' fucking with them, yet they all support big governments that are waaayyyy more involved in every day life. WTF, really guys? Thats what the song "Pay the Man" is about. To answer the last question, socialism is the wealth of society being brought to good use for everyone. Its taking money from everyone, mainly the rich people of course because they have the most, and passing it around to everyone. This is being displayed by taxing wealthy people and people that HAVE insurance, to allow people who don't ( less than ten percent of americans) to have insurance. But like Thatcher said back in the day, " the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." Look over in Europe for the proof, how's Greece doin? Look, I'm broke as a joke, but I never look for a handout. I have health insurance for the first time in my life, i worked my ass off to get it, and now I have people telling me that just because they were born, they deserve it. In the spirit of punk, DC needs to stay the fuck out of my life, my doctor's office, and leave me alone. I will do what I want, and in the spirit of our beloved Offspring...." I wont pay, I wont Pay-ay, No way ay ay ay. Nah Nah why dont you get a job." and welcome me back to the forums, bitches.


Ah Ah :D

Every country is in debt. Not only the ones who have health care. I wouldn't go as far as saying that it causes no problems in France, because well... social security doesn't feel so well... but it solves a lot more problems than it creates... I will probably be one of these really wealthy people who will have to pay for others in the future. Well, I don't mind, because I refuse a world (or my country at least) where people can't pay for proper care. But yeah, that's just an opinion and all... So maybe I'm not punk enough for you. But I can live with that...

Oh and yeah, I'm a socialist, but somehow, it's not an insult here...

Jesus
03-22-2010, 01:30 PM
Quite brilliant to claim that universal health care doesn't work on a forum that has a shitload of foreigners on it, who actually live in countries that have it and can see it working on a daily basis. Smart move....

rlplaymaker
03-22-2010, 01:38 PM
In America, we don't throw people in the street if they don't have healthcare. The best healthcare in the world, mind you. Medicare and Medicaid, the existing welfare programs are a sham. Alot of doctors wont accept it anymore. Walgreens, the largest pharmacy in the country announced last week that next year they wont accept it either. Why? Cuz they never get paid, the programs are broken. SO instead of fixing the program, theyre just adding to it.....errrr, theyre actually cutting it, and adding more money to it. ( no, I'm not making this up). Fix the broken welfare system...better yet, fix ALL the broken government entities ( POST OFFICE, AMTRAK, SOCIAL SECURITY, the list goes on and on...) Until this corrupt government can run its existing programs effectively, I dont trust them with my health or 1?6th of the jobs in America. With all due respect to my European friends, or even the socialist folks in here....This is America, and we left Europe for a reason. My folks fled socialism in Europe in the middle of last century. And not every country in Europe is struggling JUST because of health care....the unions have the lions share of the blame for that.

rlplaymaker
03-22-2010, 01:39 PM
Quite brilliant to claim that universal health care doesn't work on a forum that has a shitload of foreigners on it, who actually live in countries that have it and can see it working on a daily basis. Smart move....

I have friends and family in Germany, Canada, and the UK...they seem to disagree with you

IamSam
03-22-2010, 02:00 PM
In America, we don't throw people in the street if they don't have healthcare. The best healthcare in the world, mind you.

Really? Then why was I turned down for ACL surgery? Was it because I'm white?

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 02:06 PM
I have friends and family in Germany, Canada, and the UK...they seem to disagree with you

I really like your poll... Very substantial. I live in France, me, my family and all my friends, and more important, my bank account and my health when I was a student, disagree with you.

Edit: IamSam when I read your last post, for some reason, I instantly had Dr House's voice in my head.

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 03:01 PM
Really? Then why was I turned down for ACL surgery? Was it because I'm white?Probably because it wasn't serious. I have friends who are dead broke, ZERO. None of them have ever been refused necessary medical care.

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 03:06 PM
Probably because it wasn't serious. I have friends who are dead broke, ZERO. None of them have ever been refused necessary medical care.

Again, this friend thing is so very substantial. Fuck statistics, studies and laws ! I have friends !

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 03:06 PM
Something you Europeans don't seem to realize is that not all universal healthcare is created equal. The system in the works in the US is not like systems in place in other countries(though those are faulty as well) Americans MUST buy into this system or they will be FINED and JAILED. How in the hell is that progress? A whole lot of people are going to be paying MORE under this bullshit plan and they will be getting LESSER care and they have NO FUCKING CHOICE. Fuck any brainwashed dipshit that supports this garbage.

jacknife737
03-22-2010, 03:09 PM
The Problem with Health Care for everyone is....it has never worked. Ever. Like ever ever. Thats why all my canadian friends come down to the states to get procedures done. Thats why the Governor of Newfoundland came to New York to get surgery. Read history, knuckleheads. I don't get easily led moronic youth that get all their news from Stewart and Colbert. Pick up a damn history book and read. Big Government has never been good.

The only Canadians who head to the US do so for non-essential surgeries. Mr. Williams the Premier of newfoundland could have had treatment in his own province but chose to go south regardless.

Canadian health care is cheaper on a per capita basis, and achieves superior results, ie Canada has a lower infant mortality rate than the US. The complete and utter lack of any serious political movement in Canada dedicated to the removal of universal health care, should be a pretty clear indicator that the vast majority of Canadians are more than satisfied with their health services.

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 03:11 PM
Something you Europeans don't seem to realize is that not all universal healthcare is created equal. The system in the works in the US is not like systems in place in other countries(though those are faulty as well) Americans MUST buy into this system or they will be FINED and JAILED. How in the hell is tht progress? Imprisoning your citizens because they don't buy healthcare. Should I pay rent or healthcare this month? Is it better being homeless with healthcare or being in jail without healthcare? What a fucking concept.

Well, in case that's true, it kind of sucks that you can be jailed because you can't pay your fines.

IamSam
03-22-2010, 03:20 PM
Probably because it wasn't serious. I have friends who are dead broke, ZERO. None of them have ever been refused necessary medical care.

And by this you are assuming I'm rich and that not being able to walk isn't serious. Sure. If you like assuming. But how does that saying go? Asses...you...me?

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Canadian health care is cheaper on a per capita basis, and achieves superior results, ie Canada has a lower infant mortality rate than the US. Canada has fewer crack babies than the US. That has NOTHING to do with the healthcare systems. In the states in the US that are as white as Canada, the infant mortality rates are as low and lower than Canadas. It's the inner city ghettos that bring the US infant mortality rates up, not the healthcare system.

IamSam
03-22-2010, 04:07 PM
So this IS a race thing.

Rag Doll
03-22-2010, 04:11 PM
Yeah, you're not turned down for lifesaving medical care....but if you can't pay for it after the fact, expect to lose your car and your house. My dad got cancer just after starting a new job - before his health insurance had kicked in. The insurance company didn't cover it because it was a pre-existing condition. My parents had tens of thousands of dollars in doctor bills for his treatment. True, he was able to have his treatment, but they had to declare bankruptcy after the fact.

Now, I'm currently at a job where I can't get insurance. I took a year off from school so I don't have insurance from the school. I'm too old to be on the family insurance plan. But I have a shitload of serious medical problems. I pay a LOT of money every month for health insurance. If I didn't pay, I would be paying almost the same amount every month for my prescriptions.....plus going to the doctor several times a month and having a lot of tests done. It's really a no-win situation. However, with the health care reform bill, I'd be able to stay on my family insurance plan until age 26. That would be such a huge help for a lot of people I know that are in a similar situation.

Oh, and I love Anthony Weiner. I would love to work in his district office in New York, but the commute would be a bitch.

T-6005
03-22-2010, 04:27 PM
Canada has fewer crack babies than the US. That has NOTHING to do with the healthcare systems. In the states in the US that are as white as Canada, the infant mortality rates are as low and lower than Canadas. It's the inner city ghettos that bring the US infant mortality rates up, not the healthcare system.

I'd like to see that sourced.

Also, large swathes of Canada are based on it being a nation of immigrants. So think on that?

rlplaymaker
03-22-2010, 04:31 PM
Again, this friend thing is so very substantial. Fuck statistics, studies and laws ! I have friends !

its a real life example dude, and yea it wasn't a necessary surgery. Life saving surgery is never turned away

rlplaymaker
03-22-2010, 04:33 PM
The only Canadians who head to the US do so for non-essential surgeries. Mr. Williams the Premier of newfoundland could have had treatment in his own province but chose to go south regardless.

Canadian health care is cheaper on a per capita basis, and achieves superior results, ie Canada has a lower infant mortality rate than the US. The complete and utter lack of any serious political movement in Canada dedicated to the removal of universal health care, should be a pretty clear indicator that the vast majority of Canadians are more than satisfied with their health services.

you're so right, he travelled internationally just because he wanted to see the sights. thats a joke, right?

jacknife737
03-22-2010, 05:17 PM
Canada has fewer crack babies than the US. That has NOTHING to do with the healthcare systems. In the states in the US that are as white as Canada, the infant mortality rates are as low and lower than Canadas. It's the inner city ghettos that bring the US infant mortality rates up, not the healthcare system.

You're getting really, really weird with this whole race issue. It's also pretty clear you're painfully ignorant when it comes to understanding Canada's demographics.



you're so right, he travelled internationally just because he wanted to see the sights. thats a joke, right?

He went south because his wait time for this non-emergency surgery was slightly shorter than it would have been within Canada.

On a semi-related personal anecdote: last time i was sick, got to see a nurse within 15 minutes and a doctor within half an hour. And the pills which I was given a subscription for cost me a total of 30 dollars. Feels good man.

WebDudette
03-22-2010, 05:26 PM
When I had a spider bite I waited a couple hours to see a nurse, another hour or more to get moved to a room, then I had to wait on the doctor for even longer. Then she pinched my spider bite for 3 minutes, asked me how longs it been like that, and wrote me some prescriptions and sent me to the payment plan area. She said I needed to give her $500 now, needless to say I didn't have $500. So she said to give her $50 at the very least. Yeah, don't actually have that either. Now I think I'm in $2000 worth of debt, but I think at least part of it got paid by this welfare thing because I was an 18 year old, jobless student. The prescriptions cost $100+ and they were the generic brand.

Feels bad man. Oh yeah, I'm living in one of the more Republican states.

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 05:46 PM
You're getting really, really weird with this whole race issue. It's also pretty clear you're painfully ignorant when it comes to understanding Canada's demographics.



The truth is the truth. Blacks and hispanics in America have a much higher infant mortality rate than whites, and America has a much higher black and hispanic population than Canada. That's the reason for the US having a higher infant mortality rate, not healthcare. Sometimes the truth isn't so politically correct. I'm well aware of Canada's demographic makeup.

IamSam
03-22-2010, 06:54 PM
The truth is the truth.

Well if that was the case then we should have no argument here and the Health Care Bill should have been passed a year ago.

Rag Doll
03-22-2010, 06:59 PM
The truth is the truth. Blacks and hispanics in America have a much higher infant mortality rate than whites, and America has a much higher black and hispanic population than Canada. That's the reason for the US having a higher infant mortality rate, not healthcare. Sometimes the truth isn't so politically correct. I'm well aware of Canada's demographic makeup.

Perhaps the black and hispanic populations have a higher infant mortality rate because they have less access to health care....

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 07:07 PM
Perhaps the black and hispanic populations have a higher infant mortality rate because they have less access to health care....By law, all children in the US have access to healthcare. Whether or not they seek it is their deal.

Rag Doll
03-22-2010, 07:08 PM
Expectant mothers do not have equal access to health care.

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 07:13 PM
Expectant mothers do not have equal access to health care.They absolutely do. If they are not poor, they can buy insurance. If they are poor, they can get assistance, medicaid etc

IamSam
03-22-2010, 07:18 PM
Sure. If you live in bizarro world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnXOAWoNADw)

Rag Doll
03-22-2010, 07:27 PM
They absolutely do. If they are not poor, they can buy insurance. If they are poor, they can get assistance, medicaid etc

Unfortunately, that's really not equal access. And under current legislation there are many many people that cannot afford insurance, but are also not eligible for government assistance.

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 07:42 PM
Unfortunately, that's really not equal access. And under current legislation there are many many people that cannot afford insurance, but are also not eligible for government assistance.under the new healthcare, people will be FORCED to BUY healthcare whether they can afford it or not

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 07:46 PM
and why are women getting pregnant who can't afford it........... and expecting ME to pay for it?

Rag Doll
03-22-2010, 07:49 PM
People of certain incomes will be forced (and that income level is pretty high). And it'll be a LOT cheaper than it is now.

Also, sometimes there are accidents. Or rape. Would you prefer an abortion?

nieh
03-22-2010, 08:03 PM
Also, quoting from an article:
"The bill tries to maintain a strict separation between taxpayer dollars and private premiums that would pay for abortion coverage. No health plan would be required to offer coverage for abortion. In plans that do cover abortion, policyholders would have to pay for it separately, and that money would have to be kept in a separate account from taxpayer money. States could ban abortion coverage in plans offered through the exchange. Exceptions would be made for cases of rape, incest and danger to the life of the mother."

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 08:22 PM
People of certain incomes will be forced (and that income level is pretty high). And it'll be a LOT cheaper than it is now.
everybody will be forced to be insured. Even people with relatively modest incomes that do not qualify for a substantial subsidy will be FORCED to BUY. Buying into this mandatory plan WILL have a NEGATIVE impact on the lives of those people. How anybody can not see how wrong this is baffles me. This IS 1984 and it's only going to get worse

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 08:27 PM
Do people realize this is going to drive the cost of almost everything way up? $5 per gallon gas WILL be the new norm. Expensive gas means EVERYTHING else goes up. Everything. Nobody is going to save a dime in the long run. People are going to have less spending money because of this sham that is the new healthcare.

IamSam
03-22-2010, 08:36 PM
Do people realize this is going to drive the cost of almost everything way up? $5 per gallon gas WILL be the new norm. Expensive gas means EVERYTHING else goes up. Everything. Nobody is going to save a dime in the long run. People are going to have less spending money because of this sham that is the new healthcare.

Explain the correlation between triple bypass and 88 octane.

WebDudette
03-22-2010, 08:50 PM
Man, I remember when gas was $5 one summer. That was horrible.

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 08:57 PM
Explain the correlation between triple bypass and 88 octane.This program isn't going to pay for itself despite what Obama and his ilk are saying. They will raise the gas tax (and every other tax plus create new taxes)to help pay for the program and it's all downhill from there. Don't worry about the triple bypass though. It will never come to that because you'll die on a waiting list before your turn comes up.

Now doesn't that make you feel better?
The pigs have won tonight
Now they can all sleep soundly
And everything is all right

IamSam
03-22-2010, 09:07 PM
We should change your name to "Typing Talking Point."

Thomas
03-22-2010, 09:32 PM
I love it when people ignore facts and substitute them with personal diatribes that are based on next to nothing. It's my favorite.

Moose
03-22-2010, 11:20 PM
Unfortunately, that's really not equal access. And under current legislation there are many many people that cannot afford insurance, but are also not eligible for government assistance.


just want to say some of this is true...there have been states that offer free healthcare, however you usually have to be really poor to get it...i wish this was looked at more, than this bill...i think it makes more sense to support the states to offer a type of healthcare coverage for the poor, than to pass this bill...

people can also go to the ER, and not pay anything. you can also put your name as unknown...i have 2 friends that work in a hospital, one is the manager of who comes in and out and who is working, the other is a physician's assistant...one great quote from the physician's assistant "what are you here for"...reply: "my check-up"

...free of charge...they have to help you, illegal or legal.


in saying all of this...

the bill is still not a good thing in the long run...short term, it will seem good...

but there is a chance in possibly 25 years, give or take, the private insurance companies will fall under because it will be able to compete with the government prices (not because it is good or bad, but because it is cheaper)


and pharmacies such as walgreens do not want to take medicaid/medicare prescriptions...obviously the government will force them to do so...

this will do 1 of 2 things:

1. give the gov't more power to force businesses into doing things.
2. allow the government to take over the pharmaceutical companies.


so now the govt can control the insurance companies and the medicine...saying what you can or cant buy...also medicine and surgical advancement may come to a slow halt because no one will want to invest in the research because there is no payoff.


also, mandating people to buy healthcare or be fined is ridiculous...it is necessary under this program, because you need all the money in the pool to pay for everything (such as the pre-existing customers,) but it is dangerous...forcing people to purchase a product, scary.

you can point to car insurance, but people can choose not to drive or own a car...you could just kill yourself and end your life...but who wants to do that?

plus, states are losing all power...which is very important because states can help fight off corruption and government takeover.


i just dont understand why people want bigger government...if you do your research, throughout history, bigger government leads to dictatorship and corruption.

this is the worst bill since the patriot act.

shouldn't we all want smaller government and more rights?

what if the things that seem good, really open up doorways to close all the doors?

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 11:42 PM
just want to say some of this is true...there have been states that offer free healthcare, however you usually have to be really poor to get it...i wish this was looked at more, than this bill...i think it makes more sense to support the states to offer a type of healthcare coverage for the poor, than to pass this bill...

people can also go to the ER, and not pay anything. you can also put your name as unknown...i have 2 friends that work in a hospital, one is the manager of who comes in and out and who is working, the other is a physician's assistant...one great quote from the physician's assistant "what are you here for"...reply: "my check-up"

...free of charge...they have to help you, illegal or legal.


in saying all of this...

the bill is still not a good thing in the long run...short term, it will seem good...

but there is a chance in possibly 25 years, give or take, the private insurance companies will fall under because it will be able to compete with the government prices (not because it is good or bad, but because it is cheaper)


and pharmacies such as walgreens do not want to take medicaid/medicare prescriptions...obviously the government will force them to do so...

this will do 1 of 2 things:

1. give the gov't more power to force businesses into doing things.
2. allow the government to take over the pharmaceutical companies.


so now the govt can control the insurance companies and the medicine...saying what you can or cant buy...also medicine and surgical advancement may come to a slow halt because no one will want to invest in the research because there is no payoff.


also, mandating people to buy healthcare or be fined is ridiculous...it is necessary under this program, because you need all the money in the pool to pay for everything (such as the pre-existing customers,) but it is dangerous...forcing people to purchase a product, scary.

you can point to car insurance, but people can choose not to drive or own a car...you could just kill yourself and end your life...but who wants to do that?

plus, states are losing all power...which is very important because states can help fight off corruption and government takeover.


i just dont understand why people want bigger government...if you do your research, throughout history, bigger government leads to dictatorship and corruption.

this is the worst bill since the patriot act.

shouldn't we all want smaller government and more rights?

what if the things that seem good, really open up doorways to close all the doors?

That correlation between freedom and more involvment of the state is funny to me. I agree that usually, in dictatorships, governments are big... but also, in dictatorships, they don't care so much about the well being of their people.

I'm trying to understand the problem, I really do. But instead this thread made me laugh several times... comparing Healthcare to 1984 is just... well... I don't get it.
So people will be forced to pay for healthcare. I am pretty sure that the american goverment not being stupid, this will be calculated on your income. If you can't pay, you won't pay, right ? I'm sorry but I think this is absolutely normal.

As I understand it currently, you have Medicaid and stuff for people who have really nothing and insurances for others. And it's the people in between who are in trouble. Like RagDoll's Dad. And that's sick, because it is exactly people who had an "accident of life". Something they couldn't prevent. Losing your job and getting sick.

Not to mention the fact that healthcare will have to help you NO MATTER your condition (can someone please confirm ? :D ). Refusing someone who has a preexisting condition is disgusting and cruel.

Don't you see people against healthcare ? you have been manipulated by something which is not a governement but as big. As I see it, the only reason some powerful people don't WANT healthcare is because it risks to ruin or damage the benefits of insurance companies which are an important part of your economy, they bring the ghost of dictatorship to scare you... At least, sometimes, governement wants what's good for you. And it is exactly the case with this. If I was American, I'd be really proud that my country decided that something should be done, eventhough federal state involvement is against American tradition.

mario_spaghettio
03-22-2010, 11:54 PM
So people will be forced to pay for healthcare. I am pretty sure that the american goverment not being stupid, this will be calculated on your income. If you can't pay, you won't pay, right ? According to who? The US government? They say "we think you can pay $500 per month" You say "no I can not pay that much. I'll have no money left to enjoy my life" They don't care. They say "You pay or you go to jail" What the fuck is happening to my country? If I wanted to live like this I'd move to Europe.

Harleyquiiinn
03-22-2010, 11:57 PM
According to who? The US government? They say "we think you can pay $500 per month" You say "no I can not pay that much. I'll have no money left to enjoy my life" They don't care. They say "You pay or you go to jail" What the fuck is happening to my country? If I wanted to live like this I'd move to Europe.

Yes we are so miserable. We actually live in work camps and State representants take all our money while we live in houses made with dried cow shit.



But we have a good healthcare !

Jesus
03-23-2010, 02:58 AM
Something you Europeans don't seem to realize is that not all universal healthcare is created equal. The system in the works in the US is not like systems in place in other countries(though those are faulty as well) Americans MUST buy into this system or they will be FINED and JAILED.

They won't get thrown into jail. Fined they will depending on their income level. So it's exactly the same as in every European country (some use mandatory private sign up and fines, others use automatic gov enrollment and taxation) because that's the only way it can work.

I in fact blasted Obama for being against mandates in the primaries (because it was completely unrealistic).(http://www.offspring.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1109433&postcount=58)

You have to have mandates for it to work, because then healthy people sign up. This way you end up with a better mix of sick and healthy people and lower premiums. If you don't mandate it mostly sick people join and you end up with a higher risk pool and thus higher premiums, which leads to more healthy people leaving and thus once again a higher risk pool etc. until you basically end up with such high premius that basically private insurance is pointless.

This was basically the old US system. So the ever increasing premiums you got weren't the insurance companies faults, it was the result of the way that system was set up. The only way the demise of private insurance was slowned down was because of tax breaks/subsidies for employer provided insurance (which was a redistribution of wealth from those without insurance to those with) and medicare and medicaid. So it isn't surprising to see for instance The Economist argue that if people in the US still want private insurance than the 'Obamacare' proposals aren't bad because the end result of the old system would be a completely government provided health care system because of the 'design flaw' in the old system.

Sure the the Obama plan isn't perfect, for instance the anti trust excemptions, lack of a public option, restrictions on the import of drugs etc. but it's an improvement.

Moose
03-23-2010, 08:54 AM
yes, for the system to work, you must have mandates for people to pay...so there is a big enough pool of money to support the pre-existing customers.


but mandating people to buy a product or forcing people to do anything is not a direction I would like to go in.


they are already trying to dictate what food people eat...and since as of right now they can't exactly ban food (which may change in the near future,) they are just going to put higher and higher taxes on it to make it harder to afford...such as the sugar tax...ridiculous.

informing the people is one thing, even labeling the products and educating our young kids on the products is good as well...but to ban or put personalize taxes on things is another joke.

this country once got pissed over the taxation of tea and other products...and now we are all rolling over.


eventually, 50 years maybe, they will have the right to prevent you from saying certain words and wearing certain things because they deem it to be better for you...to make you a healthier or a better person.

and we are all so arrogant to think it could never happen to the US...which is why it always happens in the first place.

T-6005
03-23-2010, 09:05 AM
Mario_spaghettio, why won't you post any of your sources on the correlation between American and Canadian crack babies, how republicans don't get pregnant, why black states blow, black presidents in Canada (which has prime ministers, for the record), the link between OPEC and Obamacare, and how social safety nets ruin lives?

I mean, most of the rest of us have some pretty good examples. We live in those countries you seem to hate so much, and we love it. But you go on giant diatribes, fighting to get your way, but when you talk about the prevalence of crack babies I just can't follow you because it's hardly common knowledge. So please just cite your sources, m'kay?

Jesus
03-23-2010, 09:46 AM
yes, for the system to work, you must have mandates for people to pay...so there is a big enough pool of money to support the pre-existing customers.


but mandating people to buy a product or forcing people to do anything is not a direction I would like to go in.

I can understand that a bit, if there would be a choice between a government run health care system (or non profit sicknessfunds) and mandating to buy private insurance. I would opt for a government run health care because I don't like being forced to buy insurance from private for profit entities. However such a choice isn't possible in the US. And my feelings against for profit insurance don't outweigh my sympathies for the sick.



they are already trying to dictate what food people eat...and since as of right now they can't exactly ban food (which may change in the near future,) they are just going to put higher and higher taxes on it to make it harder to afford...such as the sugar tax...ridiculous.

informing the people is one thing, even labeling the products and educating our young kids on the products is good as well...but to ban or put personalize taxes on things is another joke.

this country once got pissed over the taxation of tea and other products...and now we are all rolling over.


eventually, 50 years maybe, they will have the right to prevent you from saying certain words and wearing certain things because they deem it to be better for you...to make you a healthier or a better person.

and we are all so arrogant to think it could never happen to the US...which is why it always happens in the first place.

Ah the old slippery slope style of argument. Shame to see that still working on people.

Llamas
03-23-2010, 09:59 AM
under the new healthcare, people will be FORCED to BUY healthcare whether they can afford it or not


everybody will be forced to be insured. Even people with relatively modest incomes that do not qualify for a substantial subsidy will be FORCED to BUY.

Ugh, you really don't understand how this works at all. Your health care comes out as a percentage of your income. The more you make, the more you pay for your health care - and vice versa. If I make $20,000 a year, I'm going to pay the same for my health insurance as everyone else who makes $20,000. It's a very small percentage, and you calculate that into how much you make when you get a job. It's the same as how it is now - when you're offered a salary of $54,000 a year, you know you're not *actually* going to get that much - you'll probably be getting around $40,000 or so after taxes. If $40,000 a year isn't enough for you to live, you seek a better job or change your lifestyle. It will be no different with this health care program.

wheelchairman
03-23-2010, 02:26 PM
its a real life example dude, and yea it wasn't a necessary surgery. Life saving surgery is never turned away

Two different people can have the exact same experience, and reach totally different conclusions. Anecdotal evidence is generally pretty worthless unless its a supplement to your main argument. (When it IS your main argument, its totally worthless.)

Like I live in Denmark. Everyone here is pretty happy to have free universal health care. There is a movement to get dentistry added (but no movements to have anything removed.)

Yeah Jackknife made a good point, I'm supplementing it.

mario_spaghettio
03-23-2010, 05:10 PM
Ugh, you really don't understand how this works at all. I know EXACTLY how it works. I have less of what I want in life because I'm forced by the government to buy a product that I don't need. It's ok if you're already so rich that it won't impact your life, but this is going have a serious negative impact on the lives of a lot of Americans. No vacation for me this year, I have to pay big brother. They should just take 100% of our incomes and decide how it will best be used and spend it for us. Give it 20 years, that. day is coming. We could be like Denmark being happy paying big brother 38% Fucking brainwashed sheep.

Thomas
03-23-2010, 05:12 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't Denmark have one of the highest standards of living in the world?

mario_spaghettio
03-23-2010, 05:13 PM
Two different people can have the exact same experience, and reach totally different conclusions. Anecdotal evidence is generally pretty worthless unless its a supplement to your main argument. (When it IS your main argument, its totally worthless.)

NOBODY in the US is refused emergency treatment EVER. Fact. Not anecdote.

Llamas
03-23-2010, 05:14 PM
Like I live in Denmark. Everyone here is pretty happy to have free universal health care. There is a movement to get dentistry added (but no movements to have anything removed.)

It's pretty much here in the Czech Republic. People are extremely happy about universal health care, and after communism, people have had to start paying a bit... they don't like that, and want it all paid from taxes. Dental is fortunately part of it here, though.... but still, it's the same thing, where everyone wants more "socialism" here because they're so happy with the health care system.

mario_spaghettio
03-23-2010, 05:15 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't Denmark have one of the highest standards of living in the world?You're wrong. Do a little research and look beyond bogus state provided statistics. It's an overtaxed brainwashed police state

T-6005
03-23-2010, 05:30 PM
Hey, Mario, if we want to look beyond "bogus state provided statistics," where should we look to in terms of sources? So, you know, what we say actually has some factual validity instead of being worth less than the air expelled from that anus you call a mouth?

Simple question. Completely unnecessary insult.

IamSam
03-23-2010, 05:36 PM
Hey, Mario, if we want to look beyond "bogus state provided statistics," where should we look to in terms of sources?

http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID558/images/Glenn_Beck.jpg

mario_spaghettio
03-23-2010, 06:10 PM
Nice try but I despise the conservative pigs as much or more than the liberal socialist pigs.

mario_spaghettio
03-23-2010, 06:11 PM
Hey, Mario, if we want to look beyond "bogus state provided statistics," where should we look to in terms of sources? So, you know, what we say actually has some factual validity instead of being worth less than the air expelled from that anus you call a mouth?

Simple question. Completely unnecessary insult.Try Google. Read stories from people who have visited Denmark but are not brainwashed like Danish citizens. That place is beyond scary.

IamSam
03-23-2010, 06:13 PM
Oh. Sorry.

http://politicalkudzu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ron-paul-99.jpg

pinkjerry2010
03-23-2010, 06:18 PM
Try Google. Read stories from people who have visited Denmark but are not brainwashed like Danish citizens. That place is beyond scary.

You're living in Obamaland-
I am living in Kevland.
Things are no different here.
Immigration policies-
burn out after three years and go home rich.
Tar and feather farmers-

WebDudette
03-23-2010, 06:21 PM
Try Google. Read stories from people who have visited Denmark but are not brainwashed like Danish citizens. That place is beyond scary.

Assuming they are actually brainwashed (hah!), they are still happy aren't they?

mario_spaghettio
03-23-2010, 06:41 PM
Oh. Sorry.

http://politicalkudzu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/ron-paul-99.jpgMuch better

T-6005
03-23-2010, 08:11 PM
So we should believe people who are in a place a week and can make a smear impression about the place?

You clearly haven't moved around much.

Moose
03-23-2010, 08:24 PM
Ah the old slippery slope style of argument. Shame to see that still working on people.


i believe the first law against jews in germany was: no jews allowed in the public swimming pool.


you shouldn't blindly ignore things like that and laugh at it...or think it's silly and stupid...im not saying im right on what i said, but to blow it off like that without reason, kind of proved my point of america being an arrogant nation...

...i swear the day before 9/11 we were talking about our defense in the US and how invincible we were against attack, or like how tough and big and bad we were.

jacknife737
03-23-2010, 08:41 PM
But what does Nazi Germany and 9/11 have to do with health care. I'm not really connecting the dots here....


Try Google. Read stories from people who have visited Denmark but are not brainwashed like Danish citizens. That place is beyond scary.

So a tourist will have a better insight about a country, than the people who live their entire lives there?

Seriously, boy, you crazy.

Moose
03-23-2010, 08:46 PM
But what does Nazi Germany and 9/11 have to do with health care. I'm not really connecting the dots here....





i was talking to the member jesus...if you read the comments, you would understand what i was saying...i guess you can go back a page or 2 and start reading and then reply.

wheelchairman
03-23-2010, 11:33 PM
Try Google. Read stories from people who have visited Denmark but are not brainwashed like Danish citizens. That place is beyond scary.

What makes you think I'm a Danish citizen or have lived here most of my life?

Nah brainwashed is being an unemployed libertarian on the internet telling people how tax money is bad.

I mean pretty much everyone has countered with facts, you counter with unsourced stories from 'friends'. Pull your game up, or quit saying really stupid things with no source.

Harleyquiiinn
03-23-2010, 11:39 PM
What makes you think I'm a Danish citizen or have lived here most of my life?

Nah brainwashed is being an unemployed libertarian on the internet telling people how tax money is bad.

I mean pretty much everyone has countered with facts, you counter with unsourced stories from 'friends'. Pull your game up, or quit saying really stupid things with no source.

Facts are lying ! you're brainwashed with statistics !

WebDudette
03-24-2010, 02:49 AM
i believe the first law against jews in germany was: no jews allowed in the public swimming pool.

Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law), your argument is now invalid.

Moose
03-24-2010, 09:27 AM
Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law), your argument is now invalid.

haha...nice.

Jojan
03-25-2010, 03:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muSd9xw1qwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3k1vDwzbo0

mario_spaghettio
03-25-2010, 07:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muSd9xw1qwo
That hospital looks like a third world band-aid station. No thanks.

mario_spaghettio
03-25-2010, 08:56 PM
Read it and weep, sheep

Run down of Obamas health plan

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Health care Exchange.
• Page 84: All private health care plans must participate in the Health care Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN..
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: TelehealthAdvisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENTtoEND YOUR LIFE.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

IamSam
03-25-2010, 09:06 PM
But that's with your spin. Can I get that in a politically neutral spin please? Maybe a little less Libertarian sprinkled on it?

That_Guy91
03-25-2010, 11:03 PM
Maybe post something that's not from a chain email?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

Omni
03-26-2010, 03:09 AM
Considering this guy has been asked to site sources a good six or seven times, and he hasn't even acknowledged the fact that anyone has even mentioned it, let alone provided anything (with the exception of his last post complete with exclamation points, capitalization for his own emphasis, and probably even paraphrasing), it's pretty safe to say you're just feeding the trolls now.


Edit: Guy before me said it's even chainmail.

Omni
03-26-2010, 03:13 AM
It's also worth mentioning that everyone I know who is against this - which is a lot of people, being from Arkansas - are the poor, working class, less fortunate people who need health insurance the most.

Static_Martyr
03-26-2010, 04:02 AM
page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
page 29: Admission: Your health care will be rationed!
page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
page 42: The "health choices commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
page 50: All non-us citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
page 58: Every person will be issued a national id healthcard.
page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: Seiu, uaw and acorn)
page 72: All private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in a health care exchange.
page 84: All private health care plans must participate in the health care exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: Illegal aliens
page 95: The government will pay acorn and americorps to sign up individuals for government-run health care plan.
page 102: Those eligible for medicaid will be automatically enrolled: You have no choice in the matter.
page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
page 127: The ama sold doctors out: The government will set wages.
page 145: An employer must auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
page 126: Employers must pay healthcare bills for part-time employees and their families.
page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400k or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250k-400k or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
page 170: Any non-resident alien is exempt from individual taxes (americans will pay for them).
page 195: Officers and employees of government healthcare bureaucracy will have access to all american financial and personal records.
page 203: "the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." yes, it really says that.
page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
page 241: Doctors: No matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, ama!)
page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
page 272: Cancer patients: Welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
page 298: Doctors: If you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
page 317: Doctors: You are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: In other words, yet another payoff for acorn..
page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: I.e., rationing.
page 341: Government has authority to disqualify medicare advantage plans, hmos, etc.
page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of special needs individuals.
page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealthadvisory committee (healthcare by phone).
page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance care planning consult: Senior citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
page 429: Advance care planning consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an order for end-of-life plans. An order from the governmenttoend your life.
page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
page 469: Community-based home medical services: More payoffs for acorn.
page 472: Payments to community-based organizations: More payoffs for acorn.
page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
page 494: Government will cover mental health services: Defining, creating and rationing those services.


maybe post something that's not from a chain email?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-needs-check-/

oooh snap!

Thomas
03-26-2010, 10:43 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/like-hell-im-going-to-let-some-black-president-hel,11509/

mario_spaghettio
03-26-2010, 12:45 PM
Chain mail or not, much of what is stated in that post is absolute truth. Read the fucking bill you nimrods.

T-6005
03-26-2010, 12:47 PM
Much like you clearly haven't?

oh snap

IamSam
03-26-2010, 02:32 PM
Chain mail or not, much of what is stated in that post is absolute truth. Read the fucking bill you nimrods.

Even if I said I had you wouldn't believe me while in the meantime I still think you're a moron.

Static_Martyr
03-26-2010, 03:30 PM
Chain mail or not, much of what is stated in that post is absolute truth. Read the fucking bill you nimrods.

Like what? In your own words?

Also, I really liked Nimrod. It's my favorite Green Day album, actually, with the exception of maybe two tracks (but it's like 18 tracks, so that's actually not bad; most albums can't keep the originality going for that long, but that album goes through more movements than a trucker with indigestion who's been eating at McDonalds for two days and finally stops to take a shit in the badly-maintained restroom of a gas station just off the freeway). I think my favorite song off there is probably "Jinx/Haushinka," but I also like stuff like "Platypus (I Hate You)." You just don't really see that kind of stuff from them anymore.

jacknife737
03-27-2010, 11:10 PM
Nimrod is a solid album: i'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

The Grouch and Worry Rock alone....

Omni
03-28-2010, 05:45 AM
Nice save, Static_martyr. This topic was taking a dreadful change for the worse before you quipped in.

Static_Martyr
03-28-2010, 06:51 AM
The Grouch and Worry Rock alone....

Yeah, those are two of my favorites as well, both lyrically and musically....that was back when Mike Dirnt still actually played more than root-note bass (the only song even approaching that style off the new album is "Peacemaker," and American Idiot only had 1 or 2 songs with more than root note basslines). Also, I miss those unique little open-chord solos that Billie Joe used to play around that time (he also did it on Dookie a lot).


Nice save, Static_martyr. This topic was taking a dreadful change for the worse before you quipped in.

:D

IamSam
03-28-2010, 09:11 AM
Nimrod is a solid album: i'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

The Grouch and Worry Rock alone....

Those are two of my all time favorite Green Day songs. Good call!

Llamas
03-28-2010, 01:09 PM
*reminisces about when Green Day was still a good band*


*sigh*

Jules69
03-28-2010, 02:37 PM
All I can say is the insurance comp. is now taking 97 dollars out of my 2 week pay check, where it use to be 68 dollars!! This sucks!:eek:

Vera
03-28-2010, 04:57 PM
All I can say is Green Day charges $50 for a concert ticket nowadays. This sucks!!!

Thomas
03-28-2010, 05:54 PM
All I can say is Green Day charges $50 for a concert ticket nowadays. This sucks!!!

Maybe from now on Green Day tickets could be paid for with government subsidies?

Static_Martyr
03-29-2010, 05:21 PM
Maybe from now on Green Day tickets could be paid for with government subsidies?

I didn't think they would allow government-subsidized abortions....

OH SNAP!

(Nah, I kid, I kid....I loves you guys in Green Day~)