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Tijs
01-31-2005, 04:58 AM
The lawsuit against Micheal Jackson starts today. So what do you think; Guilty or not?

Camilamazed
01-31-2005, 05:03 AM
Well, I really don't know.He keeps saying he's not guilty although there are bunches of proofs saying he is. I (In my modest opinion) think he is, after what he's done with his own baby in that window once showed he is capable of doing anything.

Tijs
01-31-2005, 05:09 AM
He was just holding his baby out the window, I mean.. sure it's not usualy, but I don't think you can say he's cappible of doing anything just because he wanted to show his baby to his fans. I mean, the relationship between Micheal and his fans is pretty open, and they mean a lot for eachother. And he just likes kids as, but because he's famouse and has money, he's a really easy target to get money from.

Camilamazed
01-31-2005, 05:12 AM
That's why I'm not that certain about this issue. I remember that he held is baby out of the window and shook the babe.To show his baby to the fans ok, but shake him out of the window wasn't a good thing.

Tijs
01-31-2005, 05:13 AM
He wasn't shaking the baby. At least.. I don't think he was... But still, that's very different from sexual abusing children.

Camilamazed
01-31-2005, 05:15 AM
That's why I'm not that certain about this issue. I remember that he held is baby out of the window and shook the babe.To show his baby to the fans ok, but shake him out of the window wasn't a good thing.

Another thing I wonder is why he doesn't take any adult fans to his house? As far as I know he just take kids to his house(If I'm worng please let me know).
Everything he does sounds suspicious because he always hides his private life.If he is not guitlty (As he says) why doesn't he just open his life and let people know the truth?

JoY
01-31-2005, 05:18 AM
like they already said in an interview; when it comes to celebreties & law, you have to prove them guilty with 200% certaincy before you can lock them up.

in a strange, American way, they set an example. you don't see that as much in the Netherlands, but in America celebs are rolemodels. it causes confusion, disappointment & even emotional stress under a great amount of people, when someone *this* famous would turn out to engage himself in actions against the law. people look up to him, he seems to be on top of the world. almost above the law.

I don't know if he's guilty, or not, but I'm beginning to believe he is. his personality profile (if you'd make one) is far from what we consider to be normal. the way he lives, the things he does, his sense of reality.... especially that last aspect. he has the character of a nutjob.

Tijs
01-31-2005, 05:20 AM
Another thing I wonder is why he doesn't take any adult fans to his house? As far as I know he just take kids to his house(If I'm worng please let me know).
Everything he does sounds suspicious because he always hides his private life.If he is not guitlty (As he says) why doesn't he just open his life and let people know the truth?
Maybe he does take adult fans in the house, but people don't talk about it because it isn't interesting.
And maybe he has something else to hide in his private life, such as fraude or anything he doesn't want people to find out.

JoY
01-31-2005, 05:22 AM
That's why I'm not that certain about this issue. I remember that he held is baby out of the window and shook the babe.To show his baby to the fans ok, but shake him out of the window wasn't a good thing.

Another thing I wonder is why he doesn't take any adult fans to his house? As far as I know he just take kids to his house(If I'm worng please let me know).
Everything he does sounds suspicious because he always hides his private life.If he is not guitlty (As he says) why doesn't he just open his life and let people know the truth?
he has tried that in a MAJOR interview. he's opened the doors of Neverland for the camera's & tried to prove his good intentions & innocence by showing bits & parts of his life now & his past. this only raised more suspicions. the way he surrounds himself with kids, according to himself, because he never had a childhood.. that's all very tragic, but it shows he hasn't learned to deal with his past, which could be dangerous.

JoY
01-31-2005, 05:25 AM
Maybe he does take adult fans in the house, but people don't talk about it because it isn't interesting.
And maybe he has something else to hide in his private life, such as fraude or anything he doesn't want people to find out.
his property is called Neverland. it's one big fat kiddy playground.. really, there probably are adults that visit him, but the whole intention of his property makes his intentions already crystalclear; his property is devoted to kids & he wants to surround himself with them to live a life he never lived. he's living backwards, that's got to give problems.

Tijs
01-31-2005, 05:28 AM
Sure, but whenever someone does strange things it doesn't mean he also does wrong things. I mean, you said he invites all the kids because of the childhood he never had. So he's abusing kids, because of the childhood he never had?

Obie2trice
01-31-2005, 05:35 AM
I don`t know, but they did find some evidence. A porntape with his fingerprints and those from the child

Noodles is gay
01-31-2005, 05:44 AM
He was just holding his baby out the window, I mean.. sure it's not usualy, but I don't think you can say he's cappible of doing anything just because he wanted to show his baby to his fans. I mean, the relationship between Micheal and his fans is pretty open, and they mean a lot for eachother. And he just likes kids as, but because he's famouse and has money, he's a really easy target to get money from.

Something wrong tjis? you can normally type.

Anyway:


his property is called Neverland. it's one big fat kiddy playground.. really, there probably are adults that visit him, but the whole intention of his property makes his intentions already crystalclear; his property is devoted to kids & he wants to surround himself with them to live a life he never lived. he's living backwards, that's got to give problems.

I agree with joy here; his Neverland seems to have the same aim as Disneyland - to attract kids to it, once there he can be alone with them. It just doesn't seem right at all. Also who the hell has a 12 yr old boy share their bed? He cannot be that naive!

Definitely guilty.

JoY
01-31-2005, 05:45 AM
Tijs -he doesn't just do strange things. doing strange things is like.. going to uni without wearing your shoes, or talking to the copymachine about how your week was. this involves others. he does strange things with other people. young people in this case.

& maybe parents would come up with the idea to say "hey, let's just tell court Michael raped you", after their kids had a sleepover at his place, but a kid doesn't come up with that by himself. at least, I can't imagine a kid thinking it'd be a good idea to sue one of the most famous celebs of the planet, because he has cash. if he really is the likable guy to them, that he says he is, then they could never endure a trial against their 'best friend', sticking to their stories & lie like their life depends on it. I simply don't believe that.

on top of this; he has already paid a little boy in the past to make him shut the hell up. fine fine, so he has the money & just wanted to end the case, but hell, no matter how much money I'd have, I'd never pay cash to buy back my innocence, if I already AM innocent.

he sleeps with children in the same bed. he hugs them, gets as close to them as possible, gives them presents, wins their trust, 'loves' them.. these are things he's admitted several times. really, that doesn't get you back your childhood. there are many people on this planet, who never got to have a normal childhood & didn't have any space to devellop themselves in, but it doesn't make them all do such twisted things, as building an entire themepark as their house. sleeping with kids, those are morals & values, that a normal person wouldn't consider okay. he gets away with that, because, oh well, he's had a hard time & most celebs aren't exactly the perfect example of ordinary.

psychiatrists could spend their lives analysing his personality. why? because media twists & turns the truth. it's probably thanks to them we're still speculating about this. but at one point you just can't ignore media anymore. at one point the truth comes out too damn clearly in more ways than just via the media to keep him in his safe spot.

Inshane
01-31-2005, 05:48 AM
If I was a kid I would be scared to even be in the same room with him. :\
I think because he is this big celebrity he can take advantage of that, and easy.he probably knows this. I dont think he's as genuine as he acts or does with children. Its probably the amount of money he has, that never has a good effect on a person. I wouldnt know if he really did all the stuff they say he has done, but I do think there is something wrong.

Noodles is gay
01-31-2005, 05:50 AM
& maybe parents would come up with the idea to say "hey, let's just tell court Michael raped you", after their kids had a sleepover at his place, but a kid doesn't come up with that by himself. at least, I can't imagine a kid thinking it'd be a good idea to sue one of the most famous celebs of the planet, because he has cash. if he really is the likable guy to them, that he says he is, then they could never endure a trial against their 'best friend', sticking to their stories & lie like their life depends on it. I simply don't believe that.

I think the parents have something to do with it, you say a kid couldn't endure a trail against their best friend but it they're pushed by their parents then i suspect they could easily lie about it. The kids deciding themselves is definitely out of the question but i reckon that parents have something to do with it too.

I don't think Jackson has raped, per se, any kids but sleeping in the same bed is weird and odd, and i believe he's probably done other things to them.

JoY
01-31-2005, 05:51 AM
I agree with joy here; his Neverland seems to have the same aim as Disneyland - to attract kids to it, once there he can be alone with them. It just doesn't seem right at all. Also who the hell has a 12 yr old boy share their bed? He cannot be that naive!

but no! the kid slept in his bed & *he* slept on the floor!!

OH COME ON. if he wouldn't want to sleep in the same bed as them, he'd easily buy a second one next to his to sleep in. & a third one. & a fourth one. this guy can afford all the beds he fucking wants. he didn't spend it all on the fucking 'mary go round', Free pissing Willy & the rights of the Beatles.
(hehe, I agree with what you said, that's what it comes down to)

Noodles is gay
01-31-2005, 06:04 AM
but no! the kid slept in his bed & *he* slept on the floor!!

OH COME ON. if he wouldn't want to sleep in the same bed as them, he'd easily buy a second one next to his to sleep in. & a third one. & a fourth one. this guy can afford all the beds he fucking wants. he didn't spend it all on the fucking 'mary go round', Free pissing Willy & the rights of the Beatles.
(hehe, I agree with what you said, that's what it comes down to)

I understand he can afford more beds! but he's naive because he didn't think it was a problem and that there's nothing wrong with sharing a bed with a 12 yr old boy. Just as someone may share a bed with a friend when they're like 10 or summat.

He didn't sleep on the floor - he admitted sleeping in thebed with the kid on some program that was on (channel 4, i think) about a year ago; he took the reporters round his ranch and spoke to them.

JoY
01-31-2005, 06:05 AM
I think the parents have something to do with it, you say a kid couldn't endure a trail against their best friend but it they're pushed by their parents then i suspect they could easily lie about it. The kids deciding themselves is definitely out of the question but i reckon that parents have something to do with it too.

I don't think Jackson has raped, per se, any kids but sleeping in the same bed is weird and odd, and i believe he's probably done other things to them.
I agree with you again. children are easily influenced (hell, they grown on influences) & their parents have more influence on them, than anyone could ever have. true, true, true. but a case can be dragged on for years & years. how many parents would put their children through that, through actually living sexual abuse (by telling that story, over & over again), when they never really lived it?

alright. in this world there are mighty goddam bad parents. I'll certainly admit to that. but if a parent is a mighty terrible parent... would a child still let the parent convince him/her to put the one person, that isn't bad to them, behind bars? I just can't analyse this thought away.

I also agree on your last point. rapists & pedophiles put great, GREAT work into winning trust. it's a process, that can take *years*. it starts from sitting on their laps, to cuddling around the waist, to moving downwards to private areas & this goes slowly. their work's goal is to remove doubts in their victim's heads, to make it feel alright to both sides & to eliminate resistence. the most heard excuse from rapists & pedophiles is "but you liked it, didn't you?" they often make sure they don't have to force things in the end to go as far as they want to go. this is the only way they themselves can believe they haven't done a bad thing.

JoY
01-31-2005, 06:07 AM
I understand he can afford more beds! but he's naive because he didn't think it was a problem and that there's nothing wrong with sharing a bed with a 12 yr old boy. Just as someone may share a bed with a friend when they're like 10 or summat.

He didn't sleep on the floor - he admitted sleeping in thebed with the kid on some program that was on (channel 4, i think) about a year ago; he took the reporters round his ranch and spoke to them.
he did admit this. but in the (I think latest) case he's claimed, that he slept on the floor. which I find hilarious.

Noodles is gay
01-31-2005, 06:14 AM
I agree with you again. children are easily influenced (hell, they grown on influences) & their parents have more influence on them, than anyone could ever have. true, true, true. but a case can be dragged on for years & years. how many parents would put their children through that, through actually living sexual abuse (by telling that story, over & over again), when they never really lived it.

alright. in this world there are mighty goddam bad parents. I'll certainly admit to that. but if a parent is a mighty terrible parent... would a child still let the parent convince him/her to put the one person, that isn't bad to them, behind bars? I just can't analyse this thought away.


I can't remember about this but were the kids catholics? Anyway parents are the biggest single influence in a kids life, in most cases. I think that they could make a kid lie - by punishing them, making them go over the story thousands of times to get it perfect etc.

Consider this;

Your kid goes round to some rich 40yr olds house, s/he says they're just friends - you'd probably get suspicious.

Now say the 40 yr old was rich and had paid out before to some kid who was his 'best friend' - you'd again get suspicious, but an idea might strike you; you could be rich! Just imagine, say, $30m - that'd be enough for you and yourkid and probably their kid to live happily ever after. It would take a strong parent indeed to resist that!

I'm not saying Jackson's innocent but i think that mayhap he didn't go as far as it's claimed, and that the kids' parents had something to do with it.

Noodles is gay
01-31-2005, 06:23 AM
Maybe i'm just cynical?

JoY
01-31-2005, 06:24 AM
no kids live happily after, when they've went through such a case. so it'd take an incredibly selfish parent & not only that; one that doesn't care much for his/her child. if a parent doesn't care much for his/her child, the child can feel that. it'd take an incredibly stupid kid to put their only friend, the one who claims & acts like he *does* care, behind bars.

I still believe there's a pretty good chance parents were involved & have pushed their children to come to conclusions, that aren't always right. but I do believe it's impossible, that these conclusions are very far from the truth for the reasons above.

Noodles is gay
01-31-2005, 06:28 AM
Yeah i see what you mean about the parents but like i said maybe i'm just cynical :p

Yeah i pretty much agree; parents were involved - maybe 'pushed' the truth, but Jackson was obviously at fault too. He's got himself into the mess he's in by supposedly sleeping in the same bed as a kid and for just creating his creepy Neverland (just seems to serve to entice children)

Linda
01-31-2005, 06:44 AM
All this trial is.is a crusade to try to bring down a a very popular celebrity and all that kid's parents are after is money. C'mon, how does anyone know that kid's parents aren't threatening him to make him lie just to become rich?! I do NOT believe Michael is capable of child molestation. Period.

JoY
01-31-2005, 06:56 AM
& I do not believe that so many mothers out there are capable of molesting their own child by letting them lie themselves into a horrible event, that never took place.

it's a matter of who you think that's manipulating. a bunch of mothers, or a guy with a strange, unusual, suspicious love for children, based on a trauma. it's a black/white (haha, reminds me of a song ;) ) way to put it & the easy way, but it *is* a way.

question: what does a fifty year old man do, when he feels old & wants to regain his youth?

or let me put it another way: how many men per -month- leave their wife, because they found someone (way) younger, who makes them feel loved & in the prime of their youth again?

how many mothers would make their own son lie with a bible in his little hand in front of the court & the entire world & live through traumatic sexual abuse, that never took place, just to buy a Porsche?

it doesn't make sense, you see?

MirandaV
01-31-2005, 09:19 AM
I don't believe he's guilty, I just dont.
You can make children do anything, and their parents just want to see money.

And about that thing he hung his baby out of the window, they all edit the film and make it look longer and worser, c'mon, it wasn't even 4 seconds, and he didn't shake it.

Talman
01-31-2005, 09:21 AM
Something definetily happened with the first kid, but once he was paid off people caught on and new accusations were coming in daily. If anything it'll go down as manslaughter. Jacko isn't going to jail.
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Subsidal
01-31-2005, 09:34 AM
Actually I'm not sure, he really could be, but nevertheless I voted for 'No he ain't' 'cause I'm loyal

leo3375
01-31-2005, 10:37 AM
I'm really mixed on this issue. He didn't have a childhood so he's basically a 10-year-old trapped in a 46-year-old body. Couple that with resentment toward his abusive father, his mother's devotion to being a Jehovah's Witness (which instilled a fear of sexual relationships), and learning conflicting lessons from both parents, it's no wonder he has so many problems. Would psychiatric counseling help? Possibly.

Idiot
01-31-2005, 12:29 PM
Wow, this is close, but its expected. I say he's not guilty.

Punky Dudess
01-31-2005, 12:43 PM
^ totally agree there. mi he's mi big bro's idol wen he was younger + he has every bit of faith in Jacko! :)

SkunkIt
01-31-2005, 12:51 PM
He was just holding his baby out the window, I mean.. sure it's not usualy, but I don't think you can say he's cappible of doing anything just because he wanted to show his baby to his fans. I mean, the relationship between Micheal and his fans is pretty open, and they mean a lot for eachother. And he just likes kids as, but because he's famouse and has money, he's a really easy target to get money from.

I saw him on T.V. in concert, he said, "I like all the children", then he grabbed his crotch.

MirandaV
01-31-2005, 01:05 PM
Pff, cuz that's where he starts his moves with,

ofcourse he wouldn't just do that.

ReDeAdOf89
01-31-2005, 01:18 PM
I am not sure about this topic but my opinion is that Jacko is guity. He does say he loves all the children and he could have taken his love a little bit too far.

meaning_of_life
02-01-2005, 02:43 AM
i honestly cant decide. hes obviously a complete weirdo, and it could be easy to judge him because of his strange nature. but if hes innocent, then i feel sorry for him and what hes had to endure. who knows?

JoY
02-01-2005, 03:33 AM
in the end we're all speculating anyway.
but fans are annoying: "I BELIIIIEEVE in him", like he's some kind of god. oh please, if the accusations *are* based on truth, then he's the most disgusting, human god in history.

he can easily use his popularity to stay out of jail & he does it every day. his video-messages to his fans?
*girly voice* "when the truth will come out, you'll all know I'm innocent. thank you so much for your support, you mean the world to me. *muah*"
I can't possibly take him seriously with that voice. it creeps me out.

Noodles is gay
02-01-2005, 03:41 AM
*girly voice* "when the truth will come out, you'll all know I'm innocent. thank you so much for your support, you mean the world to me. *muah*"
I can't possibly take him seriously with that voice. it creeps me out.

*snigger*

Same here! And his face - like his nose; it just looks freaky. Like frankenstein or summat.

JoY
02-01-2005, 03:44 AM
brr, no just his voice. I can live with his face, hell, I'm from Amsterdam. the city of fashion-desasters. *grin*

Linda
02-01-2005, 06:28 PM
We all have the voices we were born with.

JoY
02-02-2005, 05:23 AM
his body & voice have mysterically changed loads over the years.

Linda
02-02-2005, 06:41 AM
Everyone changes. Some just not as noticeable as others.

The Talking Pie
02-02-2005, 07:15 AM
Everyone changes. Some just not as noticeable as others.
Indeed. Tabloids et al. are always quick to point out flaws brought on by age. The layman is more-often-than-not foolish enough to believe that people should not age even gracefully.

offspringueuse
02-02-2005, 07:20 AM
yes I think so!!!! sorry for the fans of him!!!