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moshermark
06-20-2010, 11:35 AM
I am throughly DISAPPOINTED with the Offspring.How can they say they love us in Reno, yet charge almost $40 and only play for little more than 1 hour (on at 10:10 and off by 11:15). I feel soooooo disappointed that I'll never attend another show unless it's free!!!! Last year in Indianapolis they dissed us by not signing autographs. There were less than 20 fans and we were told they had a long ride to the next show, well Detroit is only 6 hours from Indianapolis!!. And only 1 new song after 2 years without a new CD.
I'll admit that the song selection was pretty good except for the Clash cover, but they forgot to play Stuff Is Messed Up. It certainly would have captioned the night perfectly!!

Bejka
06-20-2010, 11:42 AM
I understand why you are angry, one hour show is very short :( But at least you can see them live this year. They totally forgot about Europe :(

Rag Doll
06-20-2010, 11:46 AM
I get that you're disappointed. But you need to take a few things into consideration here...

1. The band doesn't choose the ticket prices. And generally speaking, casino shows tend to be way higher priced than other venues, no matter what band or artist it is.
2. They don't really get a choice in how long they play. If the venue says you need to be done by 11:15, they have to be done by 11:15. I'm not sure how it works with a casino, but with most venues they have to follow noise ordinances and therefore the venue can get in a LOT of trouble if a band plays over their allotted time. And they'll pass those fines off to the band.
3. Who told you they couldn't sign autographs? Them? Or people that work with them? Dude, they might not even know you were there! Even if they did...they have a right to be tired. Honestly, they are some of the nicest guys I've ever met. Give 'em a break.

Blitz!
06-20-2010, 12:52 PM
Probably a one post wonder with a serious case of 'me, me, me'
Sounds like sour grapes to me ... I'm seriously disappointed with you, moshermark.

Gustavo
06-20-2010, 01:34 PM
Oh, you just got to see The Offspring yet you're whining? Dammit, these greedy people piss me off. Big time.

It's not the band's fault that the ticket is supposedly expensive, I'm from a 3rd world country, the minimum wage here is around R$ 400,0 and yet I spent almost R$ 1000,0 to see them in 2008. Also, you do realize that the whole gig thing is business, right? I know it's music business, therefore, it envolves entertainment, but it's business and some people make a living out of it, so, you might want to take that into consideration.

And people are always like, "Uh, they're not coming to Europe, or my state, or blah, blah, blah...", like, they play in Europe almost every year, and if they don't play in Europe this year, they most definitely will next year... What about places like Africa? Where they've only played once, and in only one country... Or South/Central America? They do play Brazil and Argentina from times to times, what about the other countries? Even Mexico, the country that the band loves so much?

You should be thankful, and not whining

dexterone
06-20-2010, 01:51 PM
I totally agree with Gustavo...and I think...if they came to Europe this year,they would play almost the same setlist as last year...and I will rather wait until the next album is out...of course,that I want to see and listen to them every day,every night...but they canīt manage to play in the whole world...and I donīt understand that guy,1 hour is very good,I think...your times even say 70 minutes and I guess,that theyīve played 20 songs+1 new song...what else did you expect?

~|Vredina|~
06-20-2010, 01:57 PM
Oh, you just got to see The Offspring yet you're whining? Dammit, these greedy people piss me off. Big time.

It's not the band's fault that the ticket is supposedly expensive, I'm from a 3rd world country, the minimum wage here is around R$ 400,0 and yet I spent almost R$ 1000,0 to see them in 2008. Also, you do realize that the whole gig thing is business, right? I know it's music business, therefore, it envolves entertainment, but it's business and some people make a living out of it, so, you might want to take that into consideration.

And people are always like, "Uh, they're not coming to Europe, or my state, or blah, blah, blah...", like, they play in Europe almost every year, and if they don't play in Europe this year, they most definitely will next year... What about places like Africa? Where they've only played once, and in only one country... Or South/Central America? They do play Brazil and Argentina from times to times, what about the other countries? Even Mexico, the country that the band loves so much?

You should be thankful, and not whining

I totally agree with you, Gustavo.
Some people just don't understand and appreciate what they have. :(

Rooster
06-20-2010, 02:06 PM
I am throughly DISAPPOINTED with the Offspring.How can they say they love us in Reno, yet charge almost $40 and only play for little more than 1 hour (on at 10:10 and off by 11:15). I feel soooooo disappointed that I'll never attend another show unless it's free!!!! Last year in Indianapolis they dissed us by not signing autographs. There were less than 20 fans and we were told they had a long ride to the next show, well Detroit is only 6 hours from Indianapolis!!. And only 1 new song after 2 years without a new CD.
I'll admit that the song selection was pretty good except for the Clash cover, but they forgot to play Stuff Is Messed Up. It certainly would have captioned the night perfectly!!

Nobody forced you to go.


This is the only thing i have to say to you, since others already said everything else that needed to be said.

Dexter_italy
06-20-2010, 04:46 PM
In addition I'd say that the band has never played longer then 1h and 10mnutes.... Saw them 3 times and it has always been that long... you can see it too in the internet videos.... maybe it's a bit short, but damn... they play 23\24 songs.. i think it's enough.... I prefer 1h of music instead of every song interrupted by say this say that and a song of 2 minutes becomes of 10!!! We always ask for more crowd interaction, but their show, at least for me, are always awesome!

DMelges
06-20-2010, 05:33 PM
I hate whiney little bitches.

KHWHD
06-20-2010, 06:00 PM
Be happy you saw them. They're not even coming to Ontario this year. I wouldn't care if they played for 20 min. and I had to pay $1000.00. I'd pay it. Why? Because I love the band and would pay anything to see them again if they were playing here.

DMelges
06-20-2010, 06:11 PM
Be happy you saw them. They're not even coming to Ontario this year. I wouldn't care if they played for 20 min. and I had to pay $1000.00. I'd pay it. Why? Because I love the band and would pay anything to see them again if they were playing here.

Ditto. No price on seeing my favorite band play the songs I love live.

wrc307
06-20-2010, 08:12 PM
I would pay anything to see a live concert from the offspring, even if play only one song. I have always hoped that some day they will come to Chile, and I don't lose the faith year after year.
you need to be more grateful man.

TheOldMark
06-20-2010, 08:35 PM
ive seen them about 8 times, all of their shows have been 60-80 min. I dont think Dexters voice can handle much more than that. dont be bummed.

Little_Miss_1565
06-20-2010, 10:45 PM
I feel like a lot of the gripes about the band that make it to the forum wouldn't be a big deal to anyone if people wouldn't expect them to do things that they've never really done, like play more than 60-80 minutes like it's already been mentioned here that they don't normally do. I tried getting an autograph after I saw them the first time on the Americana tour, and they didn't come out. Sometimes they have to get on the bus and GTFO right after they're done...it all depends on a lot of factors, not about "dissing" any fan in particular.

And like Sam said, they are some of the nicest dudes ever, so cut them a little slack.

Ryder1234
06-20-2010, 10:52 PM
And only 1 new song after 2 years without a new CD.


You must've been freaking between Splinter and RAFRAG.

Harleyquiiinn
06-21-2010, 12:18 AM
I understand that you are fans and all but I think some of you could express their opinion without insults or being agressive. That works too...

_Lost_
06-21-2010, 01:28 AM
This reminds me of Bill flipping his lid, because they didn't cancel the show last year in Charlotte when Dexter had a cold. He probably would have freaked out just as much had they canceled the show or postponed it.

Sometimes they come outside after the show, sometimes they don't. We all know that thats probably your best shot to meet them post-show, but nobody goes in thinking there is some kind of a guarantee. At two of the shows I've been to, you couldn't even get to the tour buses, let alone, meet the band. At the third, they had to get to Florida for a show the next day. That is touring life.

And finally... I'm fairly certain I couldn't play a show the way they do and make it must past an hour of constant thrashing and I'm less than HALF their age and in damn good shape. What person on earth wants to sprint for an hour and a half?

And Harley, I see very little agression here... I think there's just a lot of "putting it into perspective" going on.

Oxygene
06-21-2010, 03:17 AM
Fact of the matter is sometimes they can't hang around despite them wanting to... So just because they didn't sign autographs doesn't mean they didn't want to.

It isn't always a choice that is to be made.. they would've loved to hang around after the show in Budapest, but they couldn't. I waited for that show for 15 years.. you just have to accept it. It's part of the whole touring thing!

TheOldMark
06-21-2010, 07:10 AM
i mean guys, you really expect them to be signing autographs after every show? do you know how much time of their lives the last 20 years they've been held up trying to accommodate fans with pictures and autographs?

I saw a youtube video recently where Dexter was at an airport, obviously trying to get somewhere, and kids (I think this was like argentina, somewhere spanish) kept pummeling him for autographs and pictures. He clearly looked annoyed and wanted to be done with it, but he politely stood there and did everything he was asked. He had no body guards, no entourage. And he probably wasn't expecting fans, as he was smoking a cigarette.

I've seen Noodles yell at someone for not taking a picture fast enough (this was the end of the CBGBs show in NY in 2005, where they were moving their own equipment). These guys are super super nice, but they need to be on their way, yknow?

You have to imagine that they cant do that all the time. They are extremely busy, especially on tour. If you want to bug them, your best bet is probably before the show, or one of those radio M&Gs.

TheOldMark
06-21-2010, 07:15 AM
setlist for this show please? anyone?

WebDudette
06-21-2010, 07:38 AM
I'm sure The Offspring covering the Clash (one of the greatest bands of all time) made a lot of people very happy.

Little_Miss_1565
06-21-2010, 07:56 AM
I'm sure The Offspring covering the Clash (one of the greatest bands of all time) made a lot of people very happy.

I'm totally jealous I missed that.

jacknife737
06-21-2010, 01:04 PM
I'm totally jealous I missed that.

Ah, me too.

Blitz!
06-21-2010, 01:16 PM
What about places like Africa? Where they've only played once, and in only one country...

I agree with Gus ... especially this part :D

_Lost_
06-21-2010, 01:57 PM
HEY MosherMARK! Did you take any goddamn videos/pictures or not?

bouncingcoles
06-21-2010, 07:12 PM
I've seen Noodles yell at someone for not taking a picture fast enough (this was the end of the CBGBs show in NY in 2005, where they were moving their own equipment). These guys are super super nice, but they need to be on their way, yknow?

ya i was at that show and talked to noodles and he was totally cool and actually wanted to talk to me cause he was just waiting around till they played.

one hundred punks
06-21-2010, 11:16 PM
I get that you're disappointed. But you need to take a few things into consideration here...

1. The band doesn't choose the ticket prices. And generally speaking, casino shows tend to be way higher priced than other venues, no matter what band or artist it is.
2. They don't really get a choice in how long they play. If the venue says you need to be done by 11:15, they have to be done by 11:15. I'm not sure how it works with a casino, but with most venues they have to follow noise ordinances and therefore the venue can get in a LOT of trouble if a band plays over their allotted time. And they'll pass those fines off to the band.
3. Who told you they couldn't sign autographs? Them? Or people that work with them? Dude, they might not even know you were there! Even if they did...they have a right to be tired. Honestly, they are some of the nicest guys I've ever met. Give 'em a break.

LOL@ "the band doesn't choose the ticket prices" SURE BUDDY! The ticket prices are based on the bands guarantee. If The Offspring asks for $75,000 a show, The Promoter has to make that back. Of course they have a say in the ticket prices for their own non-festival headline shows.

LOL again at they don't get a choice in how long they play. These things are all worked out beforehand in the contracts. You think a Promoter is going to throw around all kinds of cash and not have a minimum set length time in the contract. If they have to be off by 11 then go on 30 minutes earlier. They are multi-millionaires. Pay the fine then and don't shortchange the fans with a barely one hour show.

LOL a third time at The Offspring not knowing the fans are there. NEWSFLASH! FANS ARE HANGING AROUND AFTER EVERY SHOW! Probably since SMASH hit. To the OP, you have better chance at meeting them if you have connections or happen to be a hot girl with big boobs. Said hot girl might not know any songs but the hits but being a hot girl comes in handy for meeting bands.

tylercosgrove1989
06-22-2010, 01:23 AM
It seemed like they played longer than that...And they even came out and did a couple extra songs for an encore. They were fucking sweet to us. Are you sure you were at the right show? Me and my two friends drove from Sacramento to see them in Reno, and we all agreed it was one of the best shows we've ever seen. It was my third time seeing them and I was pleasantly pleased. Not only that...But I remember thinking that the tickets were actually pretty cheap. Thats because they were.

Free?
06-22-2010, 01:34 AM
Now I have a serious reason to envy hot girls with big boobs! :mad:

Oxygene
06-22-2010, 02:07 AM
LOL@ "the band doesn't chose the ticket prices" SURE BUDDY! The ticket prices are based on the bands guarantee. If The Offspring asks for $75,000 a show, The Promoter has to make that back. Of course they have a say in the ticket prices for their own non-festival headline shows.

LOL again at they don't get a choice in how long they play. These things are all worked out beforehand in the contracts. You think a Promoter is going to throw around all kinds of cash and not have a minimum set length time in the contract. If they have to be off by 11 then go on 30 minutes earlier. They are multi-millionaires. Pay the fine then and don't shortchange the fans with a barely one hour show.

LOL a third time at The Offspring not knowing the fans are there. NEWSFLASH! FANS ARE HANGING AROUND AFTER EVERY SHOW! Probably since SMASH hit. To the OP, you have better chance at meeting them if you have connections or happen to be a hot girl with big boobs. Said hot girl might not know any songs but the hits but being a hot girl comes in handy for meeting bands.

You retarded... not only that but arrogant and persitent as well. Dangerous qualities esp when they come combined.

I've never actually seen hot girls with big boobs hanging around backstage.. I guess that doesn't phase you or your misconecptions eh?

_Lost_
06-22-2010, 03:02 AM
To the OP, you have better chance at meeting them if you have connections or happen to be a hot girl with big boobs. Said hot girl might not know any songs but the hits but being a hot girl comes in handy for meeting bands.

I'd just like to point out that I'm a hot girl with big boobs and I didn't get to see them after any of the shows I've been to.

Oxygene
06-22-2010, 03:06 AM
I'd just like to point out that I'm a hot girl with big boobs and I didn't get to see them after any of the shows I've been to.

how big?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Bejka
06-22-2010, 03:37 AM
I've never actually seen hot girls with big boobs hanging around backstage..

Hey! :mad: :rolleyes: :p hehehe

Teemu
06-22-2010, 03:41 AM
LOL@ "the band doesn't chose the ticket prices" SURE BUDDY! The ticket prices are based on the bands guarantee. If The Offspring asks for $75,000 a show, The Promoter has to make that back. Of course they have a say in the ticket prices for their own non-festival headline shows.

LOL again at they don't get a choice in how long they play. These things are all worked out beforehand in the contracts. You think a Promoter is going to throw around all kinds of cash and not have a minimum set length time in the contract. If they have to be off by 11 then go on 30 minutes earlier. They are multi-millionaires. Pay the fine then and don't shortchange the fans with a barely one hour show.

LOL a third time at The Offspring not knowing the fans are there. NEWSFLASH! FANS ARE HANGING AROUND AFTER EVERY SHOW! Probably since SMASH hit. To the OP, you have better chance at meeting them if you have connections or happen to be a hot girl with big boobs. Said hot girl might not know any songs but the hits but being a hot girl comes in handy for meeting bands.

I think I love you. Seriously.

one hundred punks
06-22-2010, 04:45 AM
You retarded... not only that but arrogant and persitent as well. Dangerous qualities esp when they come combined.

I've never actually seen hot girls with big boobs hanging around backstage.. I guess that doesn't phase you or your misconecptions eh?

Son,I have been seeing The Offspring since 95 when you were most likely bringing items to class for show and tell. Unlike you I don't throw out insults like "You retarded" to people I don't know. There could be retarded visitors to this website. Someone you know and love could get into an accident and be thrown through a car window and they would become retarded. It's lame enough that you insult people you don't know but if you are going to do so, please do so without saying "You retarded" All the points I make stand and instead of countering them you come back with "You retarded" I'm glad you were able to draw these major conclusions about me from the less than 200 posts I have made over five years.

I noticed you didn't address my points about ticket prices and set length times. I wonder why.

THE HOT CHICKS WITH BIG BOOBS thing backstage at shows is a way of life. Do you think the roadies are sent out to the crowd to pick up ugly girls? Hell no. This goes for Motley Crue,POISON, GNR, and just about any other big band.

Oxygene
06-22-2010, 05:42 AM
Son,I have been seeing The Offspring since 95 when you were most likely bringing items to class for show and tell.

So you are an elitist too? Anyway dissecting my Offspring credentials is not a smart way to go… What I was bringing to show and tell in 95 was my Smash cd.. for real :) The only reason I didn't go see the Offspring in 95 was because they didn't play anywhere near me. Despite the fact I had to wait nearly 15 years for them to play my country I've seen them in excess of 40 times.


Unlike you I don't throw out insults like "You retarded" to people I don't know. There could be retarded visitors BLA BLA BLA

Well if you want to argue in a civilized manner then keep your criticism constructive I'll behave in the same way.



I noticed you didn't address my points about ticket prices and set length times. I wonder why.

Because they were totally unreasonable, but if that's what you wish..


LOL@ "the band doesn't choose the ticket prices" SURE BUDDY! The ticket prices are based on the bands guarantee. If The Offspring asks for $75,000 a show, The Promoter has to make that back. Of course they have a say in the ticket prices for their own non-festival headline shows.

The band doesn't decide ticket price de facto. Obviously the money they make has influence on it and ball parks where ticket prices end up, but that's a question of supply and demand. End of story. It's not a question of morals or anything. They don't have extreme ticket prices, they aren't greedy money hungry fucks, so there really is nothing to talk about. If anything, blame the shitty economy - it has much more to do with it, then the Offsprings attitude.



LOL again at they don't get a choice in how long they play. These things are all worked out beforehand in the contracts. You think a Promoter is going to throw around all kinds of cash and not have a minimum set length time in the contract. If they have to be off by 11 then go on 30 minutes earlier. They are multi-millionaires. Pay the fine then and don't shortchange the fans with a barely one hour show.

You over simplify it completely. First off if they went on longer than agreed or whatever promoters would not want to work with them. You think they should work to pay fines at every show or what? How naive is that? In addition Offspring play hundreds of shows. They play around 60-90 minutes at all of them. That isn't super short. An hour show is totally OK. You aren't being shortchanged at all. You wanna see more of them? Go to more shows. Fairly simple. If you are content with an hour, then good for you!



LOL a third time at The Offspring not knowing the fans are there. NEWSFLASH! FANS ARE HANGING AROUND AFTER EVERY SHOW! Probably since SMASH hit. To the OP, you have better chance at meeting them if you have connections or happen to be a hot girl with big boobs. Said hot girl might not know any songs but the hits but being a hot girl comes in handy for meeting bands.

Actually no.. many times by the time the band is done decompressing after a gig fans aren't there anymore. I don't know how many shows you've been to.. I've seen my fair share, and they don't always hang around. Also on the majority of the occasions that fans do hang around, the Offspring do sign autographs and take pictures. Just because at that one particular show you went to this didn't happen, doesn't mean that's a standard. What it means is you need to get your ass to more shows. End of story.

Offspring don't do the groupie scene. I haven't seen groupies hanging around the band EVER. It's all in your head my friend.


THE HOT CHICKS WITH BIG BOOBS thing backstage at shows is a way of life. Do you think the roadies are sent out to the crowd to pick up ugly girls? Hell no. This goes for Motley Crue,POISON, GNR, and just about any other big band.

Not for everyone it isn't.. read the above statement.

Little_Miss_1565
06-22-2010, 07:53 AM
Okay, I think we've established a few things here, the main one being that people seem to have a lot of preconceived notions of what the band should be or do, and they hold the band responsible if they don't meet these preconceived notions. Which is completely unfair.

brothadave79
06-22-2010, 09:26 AM
Actually no.. many times by the time the band is done decompressing after a gig fans aren't there anymore. I don't know how many shows you've been to.. I've seen my fair share, and they don't always hang around. Also on the majority of the occasions that fans do hang around, the Offspring do sign autographs and take pictures. Just because at that one particular show you went to this didn't happen, doesn't mean that's a standard. What it means is you need to get your ass to more shows. End of story.


QFT. I was at the Roseland Ballroom in New York last July with my cousin, and there were only about 5-6 of us waiting outside long enough to see the band (Well, just Dexter and Noodles) come out. They were obviously a bit rushed and stressed, but they were still super cool to us, giving autographs and making small talk, while their crew kept trying to remind them and us that the band should be hurrying along.

So yeah, I got an autograph from Dexter and Noodles, and my cousin got a sick picture with them. I wasn't able to get a photo because they were in such a rush. But they were still incredibly nice to us. It may have helped in this case that so few people were still hanging around. If it was a crowd of a couple dozen, they might not have been able to stop.

_Lost_
06-22-2010, 10:37 AM
I noticed you didn't address my points about ticket prices and set length times. I wonder why.
Why should he address their set length when they've done it so many times themselves? Dexter and Noodles have talked about how the way they perform is like running at a sprint nonstop for an hour. Maybe they don't play much more than 1:15 but part of that has to do with the fact that they aren't into all the bullshit stage antics like you get with Sum 41 and Blink 182 ( I only mention these two because I've seen them recently and their bull crap was really fucking annoying. I was all "Where's the music bro? I don't give a shit about your penis.") If they spent half an hour of every show making lame jokes and talking about how awesome each other is, would you be happy? 1:45 sound so great then?



THE HOT CHICKS WITH BIG BOOBS thing backstage at shows is a way of life. Do you think the roadies are sent out to the crowd to pick up ugly girls? Hell no. This goes for Motley Crue,POISON, GNR, and just about any other big band.

For 80s hair bands maybe... A lot of the rock bands from the 90s were made up of the faithfully married and relatively drug free people. "Sex, Drugs, and Rock'n'Roll" died with Cobain. Not to say that they all are clean, married men, but its not the same as it once was. Bands that have risen to fame since then aren't defined by the same rules.

Little_Miss_1565
06-22-2010, 10:42 AM
Again with the preconceived notions. The Offspring's crew do not pick up band sluts for them, nor do they partake anyway. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble. (spoiler alert: not really sorry. They're nice guys. Why is this so difficult for some people to believe?)

nieh
06-22-2010, 10:48 AM
I've never actually seen hot girls with big boobs hanging around backstage

I have.

Little_Miss_1565
06-22-2010, 12:45 PM
I have.

Sam and I don't count. ;)

nieh
06-22-2010, 01:10 PM
Well that's just not fair then.

jacknife737
06-22-2010, 01:40 PM
Okay, I think we've established a few things here, the main one being that people seem to have a lot of preconceived notions of what the band should be or do, and they hold the band responsible if they don't meet these preconceived notions. Which is completely unfair.

Word. 10 characters

one hundred punks
06-22-2010, 01:49 PM
Why should he address their set length when they've done it so many times themselves? Dexter and Noodles have talked about how the way they perform is like running at a sprint nonstop for an hour. Maybe they don't play much more than 1:15 but part of that has to do with the fact that they aren't into all the bullshit stage antics like you get with Sum 41 and Blink 182 ( I only mention these two because I've seen them recently and their bull crap was really fucking annoying. I was all "Where's the music bro? I don't give a shit about your penis.") If they spent half an hour of every show making lame jokes and talking about how awesome each other is, would you be happy? 1:45 sound so great then?



For 80s hair bands maybe... A lot of the rock bands from the 90s were made up of the faithfully married and relatively drug free people. "Sex, Drugs, and Rock'n'Roll" died with Cobain. Not to say that they all are clean, married men, but its not the same as it once was. Bands that have risen to fame since then aren't defined by the same rules.


No offense but you were like five when Kurt Cobain died. I don't think you have enough firsthand experience in this area to say something like "Sex,Drugs and Rock & Roll" died with him.

As far as the set-length goes, I don't see Dexter Holland running around stage for 2.5 hours a show like a mad man as Axl Rose does. If they are tired from their 70 minute performance maybe they should hang it up or play less shows. With the amount of material they have and the price of their tickets MINIMALLY they should be playing 1.5-2 hours.

Little_Miss_1565
06-22-2010, 01:58 PM
As far as the set-length goes, I don't see Dexter Holland running around stage for 2.5 hours a show like a mad man as Axl Rose does. If they are tired from their 70 minute performance maybe they should hang it up or play less shows. With the amount of material they have and the price of their tickets MINIMALLY they should be playing 1.5-2 hours.

*ahem*


Okay, I think we've established a few things here, the main one being that people seem to have a lot of preconceived notions of what the band should be or do, and they hold the band responsible if they don't meet these preconceived notions. Which is completely unfair.

Word. So, one hundred punks, if we're quite done with the "I walked to punk rock basement shows uphill both ways with only a hot potato in the pocket of my pyramid-spiked leather jacket to keep me warm" trupunx speeches, it'd be rad if people would quit slagging off the band for not living up to their individual preconceived notions of what the band should be doing.

I have no idea why the band's shows are priced the way they are. They are, however, in line with a lot of other shows from bands on similar levels that I've seen. It would be great if it were less expensive to see them play out, and it would be great if they played longer sets with more songs from more parts of their career; however, Axl Rose playing two hour sets is not a compelling argument as to why. And considering how many people on the forums don't agree that they play "so many" shows, and in fact are dying to have the band visit their country for a show, I don't think your personal dissatisfaction with things as they are is a compelling reason for them to do less or "hang it up" as it were. So please, chill out.

nieh
06-22-2010, 02:01 PM
As far as the set-length goes, I don't see Dexter Holland running around stage for 2.5 hours a show like a mad man as Axl Rose does. If they are tired from their 70 minute performance maybe they should hang it up or play less shows. With the amount of material they have and the price of their tickets MINIMALLY they should be playing 1.5-2 hours.

Or maybe if you have such high expecetations for their set times, you should stop going to their shows. 1 hour is perfectly reasonable for a headliner, and if I'm not mistaken, they're co-headlining this tour which means they have to share more time with 311.
And Axl Rose? Seriously? The guy that ran out of breath after performing just 2 songs a few years back? I guess it's possible he's gotten back into shape since then, but when I saw video of him a few years back it was pretty embarassing.

one hundred punks
06-22-2010, 02:08 PM
Axl Rose was an example. I could give more. Green Day-They play for 2 hours per night and Billie Joe is far more active on stage than Dexter Holland.

Is the purpose of this message board to caress the proverbial testicles of The Offspring or is it a place where fans can share opinions and thoughts on the band both positive and negative?

How exactly am I "slagging off" the band?

DMelges
06-22-2010, 02:15 PM
The Offspring show I went to was 2 hours long. And they're not the kind of band that spends 50% of the time talking to the crowd and 50% playing songs. You don't go to a show to talk to the band, you go to see them play.

Greekoldfan
06-22-2010, 02:22 PM
setlist anybody?

DMelges
06-22-2010, 02:24 PM
setlist anybody?

We haven't had any videos besides those of 2 or 3 songs right? No new song video either from Reno... :(

jacknife737
06-22-2010, 02:43 PM
Axl Rose was an example. I could give more. Green Day-They play for 2 hours per night and Billie Joe is far more active on stage than Dexter Holland.

Is the purpose of this message board to caress the proverbial testicles of The Offspring or is it a place where fans can share opinions and thoughts on the band both positive and negative?

How exactly am I "slagging off" the band?

Green Day also charge more than the Offspring. Last Offspring show in Toronto the most expensive tickets were 49.99 before convenience charges. At their upcoming show this summer Green day is charging 89.99 before the charges and they're playing the same venue. And even though i love Green Day, about a third of the show is Billie Joe getting the crowd to chant things rather than actually playing music.

The Offspring play shows that are well in line with what their peers play (rancid, bad religion, nofx, ect, ect all play 60-90 minute sets).

Little_Miss_1565
06-22-2010, 03:00 PM
Axl Rose was an example. I could give more. Green Day-They play for 2 hours per night and Billie Joe is far more active on stage than Dexter Holland.

Is the purpose of this message board to caress the proverbial testicles of The Offspring or is it a place where fans can share opinions and thoughts on the band both positive and negative?

How exactly am I "slagging off" the band?

I don't know, maybe in your call for the band to quit because they aren't doing what you think they should?

There's sharing positive and negative opinions, which is of course welcomed, and then there's being a disrespectful prick, which is of course not welcomed. Care to venture a guess as to how your latest string of posts on this subject are coming across whether you have intended it to be so or not?

Example of negative yet respectful opinion: "I think the last half of RAFRAG was kind of boring and derivative, at least compared to the front half, but I'm glad 'Nothingtown' connects with some of you. Looking forward to the show this year."

Example of negative and disrespectful opinion: "They totally ripped off that Foo Fighters song. Going to set my copy of Ignition on fire now. Fuck this band, they should quit."

I don't really care about Axl Rose or Billie Joe Armstrong as they pertain to the length of the Offspring's sets, as neither of these gentlemen are Dexter Holland, so they would dictate very little as to what's right for Dexter, or Noodles, or what have you.

randman21
06-22-2010, 03:04 PM
Has the Offspring ever been known to play for 2 hours? jw

Little_Miss_1565
06-22-2010, 03:14 PM
Has the Offspring ever been known to play for 2 hours? jw

Not to my knowledge, and from the sounds of it, not to Oxy and Mark and several others as well.

Tijs
06-22-2010, 03:21 PM
Axl Rose was an example. I could give more. Green Day-They play for 2 hours per night and Billie Joe is far more active on stage than Dexter Holland.

Everytime I read or hear something like this the only thing that comes to my mind is that if you like that so much, go to their shows instead. Couldn't be simpler.


Not to my knowledge, and from the sounds of it, not to Oxy and Mark and several others as well.Not to my knowledge either. Their full setlists usually lasts about 80 minutes, and the shorter ones around an hour.

DMelges
06-22-2010, 03:25 PM
Not exactly 2 hours. Considering that they talked a while to the audience after alot of the songs and counting the encore, it was about 1h 40min. Guess I got lucky.

Oxygene
06-22-2010, 03:53 PM
Anyone notice how the dude was all like you didn't address my shit and when I did he totally side stepped it?

What's with this and how old people are and how many shows they've been to etc, it's bullshit.

I haven't seen Offspring play for 2 hours. 99% of the time they play 90 minutes... that's perfect for me.

BigFish
06-22-2010, 03:54 PM
I'd just like to point out that I'm a hot girl with big boobs and I didn't get to see them after any of the shows I've been to.

Proof....?

Greekoldfan
06-22-2010, 04:18 PM
during the smash tour they used to play about 45-50 mins. since americana and until nowdays they used to play something like 70 mins -80 maximum

DMelges
06-22-2010, 04:47 PM
I haven't seen Offspring play for 2 hours. 99% of the time they play 90 minutes... that's perfect for me.

90 minutes is perfect. In 90 minutes they play all the best songs and still talk a bit to the crowd. And the price for their show here is waaaaay more than 50 dollars.

WebDudette
06-22-2010, 06:01 PM
First of all Axle Rose? The guy has a reputation for not showing up at all.

Secondly, the band doesn't owe you shit, not a God damn thing.

For Real
06-22-2010, 07:10 PM
I don't really care about Axl Rose or Billie Joe Armstrong as they pertain to the length of the Offspring's sets, as neither of these gentlemen are Dexter Holland, so they would dictate very little as to what's right for Dexter, or Noodles, or what have you.

You're referring to Axl as a gentleman? ? ? ah'hahahaha! I think NOT!!! The man, um animal, reportedly bit someone recently while on tour. He made some good music in the late 80's, I think of him as "The Last Metal Boy" - wrote a poem to that effect - have not posted it anywhere. Nirvana came along as the wooden stake through the heart of the 80's cock-rock (lol), and which essentially opened up the door for punk rock to go mainstream, as well as alt-rock, and so on. 1994 would COULD NOT have happened without Kurt. Kurt was a gentleman. Billie is and so is Dexter :). But Axl? um, NO.

WebDudette
06-22-2010, 07:40 PM
Uhh... Kurt was a misanthropic drug addict. What is you definition of gentleman?

randman21
06-22-2010, 08:00 PM
Anyone notice how the dude was all like you didn't address my shit and when I did he totally side stepped it?

Of course he did. That's what these guys do. They come on, cause a big unnecessary ruckus while avoiding all attempts at civil debate, then ask people to vote for their shitty radio show like everything's cool.


Not exactly 2 hours. Considering that they talked a while to the audience after alot of the songs and counting the encore, it was about 1h 40min. Guess I got lucky.
Yep. I think the most I ever got was about 75 minutes, and that's fine. I still left with my ass kicked. And however long the set, it's always gonna seem to short anyway.

So if you didn't get my point, OHP...if they've never played for two hours in the 20+ years they've been touring, what are you complaining about? You have no basis for your argument, as it's been working for this long. Why should they change what they have going for a few irrational people? It's totally a case of what Little Miss keeps saying: unreasonable expectations.

DMelges
06-22-2010, 08:07 PM
Yep. I think the most I ever got was about 75 minutes, and that's fine. I still left with my ass kicked. And however long the set, it's always gonna seem to short anyway.

You got that right. It always seems to short. I mean, they played their best songs at the show I went to. A full setlist of the most famous songs. 20 songs in total. And still it felt too damn short, because they're so good live.

I've been a huge fan since 2003, and I've only had the chance to see the live once. And here where I live, I didn't pay 50 bucks. I payed the equivalent to 200 bucks! And I would pay even more for an even shorter show.

For Real
06-22-2010, 08:18 PM
Uhh... Kurt was a misanthropic drug addict. What is you definition of gentleman?

But he treated women nicely - he wasn't mean to them.

Gentleman = treats women nicely, is protective of them, never abuses them, loves their mother, etc.

_Lost_
06-22-2010, 08:19 PM
And even though i love Green Day, about a third of the show is Billie Joe getting the crowd to chant things rather than actually playing music.


Exactly! They don't play any more than the Offspring does and you pay almost twice as much!


No offense but you were like five when Kurt Cobain died. I don't think you have enough firsthand experience in this area to say something like "Sex,Drugs and Rock & Roll" died with him.

Oh excuse me, Scott Weiland did lots of drugs in the 90s. That doesn't change the fact that most mainstream rock groups to rise post nirvana, especially ones we still hear from today, are much better role models.

I think its funny that you would use my age to ascertain what I might know. My dad has been going to rock concerts for 30 years and he is the reason I know The Offspring.

Harleyquiiinn
06-22-2010, 11:55 PM
My dad has been going to rock concerts for 30 years and he is the reason I know The Offspring.


Don't even go into this _Lost_, this is just a way for One Hundred Punks to avoid conversation

One Hundred Punks> I actually thought your first post made sense on some points but your arguments about you being older is stupid and that has always been something I hate to read: "I won't argue with you because you're too young to know anything"

Rock is not like.. well... I don't know, marriage and wrinkles. It's not because you lived longer that you know better.

When you'll be in a retirement house, we'll still go to rock concerts. We'll send you bootlegs, Grandpa ! :)

one hundred punks
06-23-2010, 03:16 AM
Don't even go into this _Lost_, this is just a way for One Hundred Punks to avoid conversation

One Hundred Punks> I actually thought your first post made sense on some points but your arguments about you being older is stupid and that has always been something I hate to read: "I won't argue with you because you're too young to know anything"

Rock is not like.. well... I don't know, marriage and wrinkles. It's not because you lived longer that you know better.

When you'll be in a retirement house, we'll still go to rock concerts. We'll send you bootlegs, Grandpa ! :)


Of course you agreed with my points as they were valid and I provided constructive views not blind fanaticism. You should continue that trend of thinking for yourself as one of the ideals of PUNK RAWK is doing just that.

Good luck with all that retirement home stuff Brosef. I only brought up age because it's kind of silly for someone who was in KINDERGARTEN at the time to be making broad generalizations like "Sex.drugs and rock n roll died with Kurt Cobain" This isn't like The Civil War where we have to rely on Historians as there are plenty of people who experienced the 90's rock scene.

For those who say The Offspring were never into groupies, how in the world would you know? Have you been there every show since they made it big? I could post "groupie gossip" on them from various websites but I'm sure it would be deleted as it's their personal life. Please don't be so naive as to think this never happened though.

Also, apparently on this Forum, the Mods can call someone names if they dare question the band? Good to know.

The Search Button
06-23-2010, 04:45 AM
The Offspring sucks! That's not even open to debate.

Anywayz, I think I'll registrate in their BBS just to let'em know how much they do suck.

Oxygene
06-23-2010, 04:55 AM
Of course you agreed with my points as they were valid and I provided constructive views not blind fanaticism. You should continue that trend of thinking for yourself as one of the ideals of PUNK RAWK is doing just that.

Thinking for yourself is agreeing with you? .. Oh that's rich.. can anyone spot the logical inconsitency?


Good luck with all that retirement home stuff Brosef. I only brought up age because it's kind of silly for someone who was in KINDERGARTEN at the time to be making broad generalizations like "Sex.drugs and rock n roll died with Kurt Cobain" This isn't like The Civil War where we have to rely on Historians as there are plenty of people who experienced the 90's rock scene.

Yeah like I did...


For those who say The Offspring were never into groupies, how in the world would you know? Have you been there every show since they made it big? I could post "groupie gossip" on them from various websites but I'm sure it would be deleted as it's their personal life. Please don't be so naive as to think this never happened though.

I've been at a bit over 40 shows backstage in the past 12+ years. No groupies. Ever. FYI it's impossible to prove a negative. Again with this lack of logic and intelligence.


Also, apparently on this Forum, the Mods can call someone names if they dare question the band? Good to know.

This isn't a democracy.. the only choice you got: you don't like it? Leave. Noone is gonna miss a troll...

_Lost_
06-23-2010, 07:48 AM
This isn't like The Civil War where we have to rely on Historians as there are plenty of people who experienced the 90's rock scene.

Oh I'm sorry. All the world's biggest bands circa '95 must have let you in their back door. All that partying you must have done. I didn't realize you spent the 90s getting high and forging through sloppy seconds.

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2010, 08:36 AM
For those who say The Offspring were never into groupies, how in the world would you know? Have you been there every show since they made it big? I could post "groupie gossip" on them from various websites but I'm sure it would be deleted as it's their personal life. Please don't be so naive as to think this never happened though.

Also, apparently on this Forum, the Mods can call someone names if they dare question the band? Good to know.

Can't say they were never into groupies, as everyone in their lives has fucked around at some point, but how would I know about how they run shit now? If you haven't guessed, I do have contact with the band. I've met them. I know firsthand they are good dudes, and your allegations that being a hot girl with big tits will get you an autograph from the Offspring today are both fallacious and obnoxious. I mean, jesus. Just stop already.

Additionally, I didn't call you any names. I merely pointed out how you are coming across whether you mean to or not. But I'm getting the feeling you would like it if someone in power here were persecuting you. Up tha punx!


The Offspring sucks! That's not even open to debate.

Anywayz, I think I'll registrate in their BBS just to let'em know how much they do suck.

Leave it to The Search Button to always make me laugh.


I've been at a bit over 40 shows backstage in the past 12+ years. No groupies. Ever. FYI it's impossible to prove a negative. Again with this lack of logic and intelligence.

This isn't a democracy.. the only choice you got: you don't like it? Leave. Noone is gonna miss a troll...

Thanks, Oxy. I'm quite tired of this line of conversation now and I think it's gone in circles enough. Let's stop now.

one hundred punks
06-23-2010, 12:17 PM
The Offspring sucks! That's not even open to debate.

Anywayz, I think I'll registrate in their BBS just to let'em know how much they do suck.

What in the world are you talking about, Broham? Show me where I said I think they suck? I generally don't buy albums on the 1st day for the past 13 years from a band if I think they suck.

WebDudette
06-23-2010, 12:45 PM
Is that why you have unrealistic expectations and feel like they owe you something?

Oxygene
06-23-2010, 01:02 PM
Thanks, Oxy. I'm quite tired of this line of conversation now and I think it's gone in circles enough. Let's stop now.

Truth is, anyone who knows me a little bit knows well enough that if it were true I wouldn't even be discussing it, seeing as that it would break the rules and be their personal life...

The fact in and of itself that I am denying it is proof to anyone with a triple digit IQ that it's just false...

Oh well..

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2010, 01:18 PM
It was more a general statement and not one directed at you.

one hundred punks
06-23-2010, 01:23 PM
Is that why you have unrealistic expectations and feel like they owe you something?

I'm not sure you are a fan as much as a nutswinger who would accept anything the band does and proclaim it to be "OMFG TEH_AWESOME!!!1111"

As a CUSTOMER of the band (and make no mistake THE OFFSPRING,like any large band are a business) I have the right to agree or not agree with their choices. The fans/customers are the ones who enable them to continue making albums on a major label and tour the world.

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2010, 01:28 PM
Pilz doesn't back everything the band does. Neither do I. But I do respect and support their right to do it, because they're not a "business," they're a band. They're musicians. There's artistic expression involved here, even if it's just sunny pop tunes. They are not a democracy. What they do is not up for a popular vote. They do their thing and hope for our support as fans. Serious question, why do you even bother coming here?

Oxygene
06-23-2010, 01:35 PM
I'm not sure you are a fan as much as a nutswinger who would accept anything the band does and proclaim it to be "OMFG TEH_AWESOME!!!1111"

As a CUSTOMER of the band (and make no mistake THE OFFSPRING,like any large band are a business) I have the right to agree or not agree with their choices. The fans/customers are the ones who enable them to continue making albums on a major label and tour the world.

You also have a right to take shit next to you mothers face on her deathbed...

does having a right make it right?

WebDudette
06-23-2010, 01:36 PM
Wrong again sir, I don't even like the band anymore. But I know enough to understand that they can't control every little thing, they're obligated to end sets at certain times (even if they aren't they'll play however long they please, and I would accept that), and that sometimes they just need to be on their way.

If you bought the same toilet paper for 14 years, would you expect a representative from Charmin to wipe your ass?

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2010, 01:49 PM
I find it crazy that someone who professes not to even like the band anymore shows more respect and support for the band than a professed long-time fan.

one hundred punks
06-23-2010, 01:55 PM
Serious question, why do you even bother coming here?

Because they rank in my top ten list of bands and I have many fond memories of them. I once walked a TRUPUNX distance to purchase the re-release of The Offspring in 1995.

one hundred punks
06-23-2010, 01:56 PM
You also have a right to take shit next to you mothers face on her deathbed...

does having a right make it right?

Yeah, that's a really close comparison,Chief.

Oxygene
06-23-2010, 02:15 PM
Yeah, that's a really close comparison,Chief.

it's the same principal

Lord Phidias
06-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Even Mexico, the country that the band loves so much?


Hellz yeah! They love us, yet they abbandoned us for 10 years!! D:
But meh... I hope they will come eventually, or else I'll have to go to the states to see them live.

I think this thread needs a lil' bit of humor, you guys are sooo intense, I would rant jokingly like Jojan or post a silly joke but I'm not clever enough...

Uhm... I'm a forums noob, but... isn't it disrespectful to change the thread's topic??

Now, "almost $40" is not expensive at all... front row tickets to see Roger Waters perform The Wall in Mexico will cost an equivalent of $350... and we're in the ass of the world... I went to see Maiden last year, general admission: approximately $100. I've seen Mastodon: $40, In Flames: $40, those were cheap... I would totally pay $200 or more to see them live... GAAAAH! COME TO MEXICO!!!

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2010, 02:38 PM
This is off topic and should be in Tour Talk anyway, but it's been discussed here a lot -- if you want the band to come to your city/country/town/etc, it's up to your local promoters to book them. Let them know you want it. Okay, back to one hundred punks telling the Offspring what they should be doing with their lives.

The Search Button
06-23-2010, 02:45 PM
What in the world are you talking about, Broham? Show me where I said I think they suck? I generally don't buy albums on the 1st day for the past 13 years from a band if I think they suck.

I was talking about the topic and giving my most honest opinion, chief. Surprisingly enough, the world do not spin around your ego.

Furthermore, you look pretty annoyed sir. I like you.

I also like that you friend are fighting the whole board right now. I have nothing but contempt for these people.

TheOldMark
06-23-2010, 08:15 PM
this thread is awful. i thought it was about the Reno show. I dont see any discussion about it, just a bunch of idiots bickering.

for the wanker whining about a $40 ticket price, i dont remember the last time I saw a concert, any concert, for under 40. The tickets in New York this year are $68 after fees, and its not even general admission. im not complaining, its going to be a sick show.
are you just causing a ruckus cuz you spent all your allowance for the week, only played for an hour, and they didn't even sign you an autograph? or did they not perform well? did you not have fun?
if you hate the band so much, get off the forum.


Now, back to this Reno show. Who went? And will someone PLEASE type up a setlist? where are the videos?

_Lost_
06-23-2010, 08:30 PM
I saw an untorn Offspring ticket from the like '97 on ebay the other day. The Gen Adm price was like $12.50.

TheOldMark
06-23-2010, 08:46 PM
I saw an untorn Offspring ticket from the like '97 on ebay the other day. The Gen Adm price was like $12.50.


what fucking planet are you from? that was 13 years ago!
I can't even believe we are having this conversation.
consider things like inflation (35.9% increase since 1997) and the skyrocketing costs of concert fees, wages, gas, venue fees. not to mention the bands popularity EXPLODED in 1998. Supply and demand.

I mean, back in 1990 you could probably see the band for $5. Whats your point?

Learn some basic principles of economics and/or Just stop talking.

_Lost_
06-23-2010, 08:53 PM
Its funny because you think I'm using that as an argument for lower prices... I'm just saying.

Little_Miss_1565
06-23-2010, 10:41 PM
Now, back to this Reno show. Who went? And will someone PLEASE type up a setlist? where are the videos?

The setlist is in Tour Talk, in the Reno media thread. Pretty sure you will find videos and other media in the media thread as well.

Oxygene
06-24-2010, 02:17 AM
also ebands make up for loss on cd sales through ticket prices.. if we didn't pirate all of this shit I bet tickets would cost half of what the do today.

We end up spending the same amount pretty much, and enjoy the same amount of music.. usually shit evens out that way anyway.

one hundred punks
06-24-2010, 04:08 AM
Exactly! They don't play any more than the Offspring does and you pay almost twice as much!


LOL-NYC-MSG-2009- AT least 17 more songs and more than an hour longer than Offspring. Any other wise remarks Ms. "Sex,Drugs,N rock-n-roll died with Kurt Cobain?"
This show was close to 3 hours! With an opening band! They played nearly well actually over 40 songs counting the medley. Not all the tickets were $75 either. When is the last time The Offspring did something like this?


1. Song of the Century
2. 21st Century Breakdown
3. Know Your Enemy
4. Murder City
5. East Jesus Nowhere
6. Holiday
7. The Static Age
8. Before the Lobotomy
9. Are We The Waiting
10. St. Jimmy
11. Boulevard Of Broken Dreams
12. A Quick One, While He's Away (The Who cover)
13. Hitchin' A Ride
14. Welcome To Paradise
15. Stop, Drop, and Roll(Foxboro Hot Tubs cover)
16. Eye Of The Tiger (Survivor cover)
17. F.O.D.
18. When I Come Around
19. Going To Pasalacqua
20. Stuart and the Ave.
21. Who Wrote Holden Caulfield?
22. Iron Man(Black Sabbath cover)
23. Brain Stew
24. Jaded Play
25. Knowledge (Operation Ivy cover)
26. Basket Case
27. She
28. King For A Day
29. Shout- Earth Angel, Christie Road, and I'll Be There (The Isley
Brothers cover)
30. 21 Guns
31. American Eulogy

32. Encore:
32. American Idiot
33. Jesus Of Suburbia
34. Minority

35. Encore 2:
35. Macy's Day Parade-Acoustic
36. When It's Time- Acoustic-
37. Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life) -

_Lost_
06-24-2010, 06:44 AM
Any other wise remarks Ms. "Sex,Drugs,N rock-n-roll died with Kurt Cobain?"


Just two more comments: 1) You were a little late on that response. How long did it take you to find that? 2) If their set list is a better value for your money, then see them instead. It'll drive down demand and, thus, ticket costs for the rest of us.

one hundred punks
06-24-2010, 06:56 AM
Just two more comments: 1) You were a little late on that response. How long did it take you to find that? 2) If their set list is a better value for your money, then see them instead. It'll drive down demand and, thus, ticket costs for the rest of us.
As you can tell from my post count ,I'm not on here that much. I'm sorry I didn't respond immediately to your uninformed statement ab9out Green Day. Green Day and Offspring share similar fan bases and have both been around 20 plus years or so. Now could Offspring play a show like that? Sure. Will they? Probably not. That would require playing more than twice their normal set time and learning old songs that the fans might actually want to hear.
So no response to a 40 song Green Day set list from last year when you said they play as long as The Offspring? As for me, as long as The Offspring are in my top 10, I'll see them when I can .UP THE TRUPUNX!

Rooster
06-24-2010, 07:43 AM
Whining, whining and whining. And even more whining.




If this is what a life of an adult all-knowing self-proclaimed tru punx consists of, then i never want to become old, nor "tru punx", whatever that means. Just kill me when i'm 30, ok?

Oxygene
06-24-2010, 07:51 AM
As you can tell from my post count ,I'm not on here that much. I'm sorry I didn't respond immediately to your uninformed statement ab9out Green Day. Green Day and Offspring share similar fan bases and have both been around 20 plus years or so. Now could Offspring play a show like that? Sure. Will they? Probably not. That would require playing more than twice their normal set time and learning old songs that the fans might actually want to hear.
So no response to a 40 song Green Day set list from last year when you said they play as long as The Offspring? As for me, as long as The Offspring are in my top 10, I'll see them when I can .UP THE TRUPUNX!

Green Day is arena rock.. Offspring isn't. When's the last time you saw Green Day infront of a 300-500 person crowd?

Little_Miss_1565
06-24-2010, 08:34 AM
Fair warning -- Any further ridiculous comments about Green Day somehow having any influence on how The Offspring run their shows will be deleted. This needs to stop. Jesus christ, this is like The Neverending Story, a work of fantasty that is never-ending, without the benefit of an adorable flying dog called Falcor. Next time, bring Falcor. Fuck.

Rooster
06-24-2010, 08:51 AM
Why would anyone even compare setlists of different bands?

Harleyquiiinn
06-24-2010, 12:48 PM
Because it's not cool to close a thread when it's unecessary and nobody, even One Hundred Punks, was disrespectful to the band. There was no intense fight, it's just a discussion. People like to repeat themselves but it's a message board. People tend to do that on message boards...

I hate thread closing just because "the conversation goes on and on" about the same thing.

And for one, I am interested in that discussion.

I like the fact that somehow, you are all saying the same things. People answered to MosherMark telling him "yeah so the band cannot be there for everyone and all the time. They are not always the ideal band for fans, deal with it 'cause that's the way it is and we are happy to see them anyway"

And somehow that's also what the Trupunx said but in another manner. He basically said: "yeah they have a saying in the price of the ticket" which they do even if they don't decide the single price, "yeah they have a saying in the length" which is true too, eventhough, I'm not sure he could sing more and "yeah it's easier to get an autograph from a rock band when you're a blonde with big boobs" which might not be true for the Offspring or at all but which also could considering none of us know their life or a big rock star's life.

So basically he said > Yeah, they are not perfect but they are still one of my favorite band and I'd go see them anytime, so their is no point complaining.

And that's very similar to what everybody else said...

(now, he could have said it in a less condescending manner, but I already said that before...)

Little_Miss_1565
06-24-2010, 01:42 PM
No need to close an entire thread and shut down all discussion when it's just one person repeating himself, and others piping in on what he's repeating. And yes, Harley, this is a message board and people repeat the same points others have said, but it's another thing when it's one person doing the repeating. The Green Day argument is a straw man, all it's doing is further derailing any pertinent discussion of the show, it would be great if everyone would chill, etc. And I agree, I feel like the what of what he's saying is less of an issue than how he's saying it, and intentionally being a jerk about what he's trying to say takes a great deal away from what could otherwise be a good discussion.

Dexter1990
06-24-2010, 02:29 PM
Ok, I guess I misunderstood. Sorry to come out as a jerk and not handling it in a decent/proper manner. I hope he gets to see them the next time and share his story with a greater/better experience of a life time. And yeah, I must strongly agreed with you and Harley.

Little_Miss_1565
06-24-2010, 02:48 PM
Wasn't you being a jerk! You seem nice. But agreed, hope the next show is more enjoyable for this person.

Polish
06-24-2010, 04:43 PM
I haven't really read this thread, but I more or less felt the same way after seeing The Offspring a few times. The Offspring were my favorite band from 8 years old to about 18. After expanding my music interests a bit, I realized that the offspring's live show was sub-par compared to other bands I saw live. Now, before anyone cries foul, I still love the offspring and they remain a big part of my musical life. The fact still remains however, that the offspring really only put on large arena shows anymore that seem scripted and uninspired. I rarely will make an effort to see them live because I know I'll leave disappointed.

With all of that being said, the greatest offspring show I ever saw was the Myspace Secret Show in Anaheim. That was great because it was an extremely small venue and they rocked the house. It seemed like they were interested in being there for more than a paycheck.

It ended in disappointment though, because Dexter completely blew me off after the show when I tried to get him to sign my I'll Be Waiting/Blackball single. I was so pissed off, I just chucked it in the back of one of their equipment trucks. I'm sure one of the techs found it and did something cool with it (or maybe just threw it away) but I don't really care at this point. :p

This was the second time I had a great chance to get it signed and lost out. The first was after Tony Hawk's Boom Boom Huck Jam. There were only 5-10 people outside of the arena waiting for them (WHILE THE REST OF THE SHOW WAS STILL GOING, which means we left and couldn't get back in), yet they still didn't pay us any attention. I've given up trying to get anything signed. :o

randman21
06-24-2010, 06:54 PM
Funny how often my posts get deleted when I put some thought and effort into it. Won't be doing that again.


We will agree to disagree then Lost and just about everybody else on the board.
I guess that's about the only way to go. Except the part where Offspring play a paltry number of songs. That's pretty much just wrong, but I can see some of the other complaints.

_Lost_
06-24-2010, 07:24 PM
Funny how often my posts get deleted when I put some thought and effort into it. Won't be doing that again.

That's only because Sarah and all the other moderators are conspiring against you.

Streef
06-24-2010, 08:17 PM
Everything else aside for the moment, I think everyone here can at least agree that, simply put, The Offspring really never began doing what they did with the intention of impressing anyone. The fact that they DID make an impression was just something that happened and they decided to roll with it. Personally, based on what I've seen since... I'm inclined to think that they haven't deviated too awfully far from that.

With that in mind a good 80% of what's been said here is moot. No ruffling of anyone's feathers intended, of course. Whether ticket prices are reasonable or shows are lengthy enough or how the band measures up to others live (Long aside: Green Day are beasts live, yes, but they appear to now be on a mission to take over the Earth or something and consequently have a goal in mind: to woo you... therefore comparing The Offspring's shows to this ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyhnItg3DRg circus is very admirable, but a tad ambitious) can really be tossed about until all of us are in the ground; the fact of the matter is that if they put on a show where they're into it and enjoying themselves, the fans will pick up on that and follow suit and the rest hardly matters at that point.

Whether they're actually into their shows much anymore is what's a little debatable to me. The rest is just fluff.

Little_Miss_1565
06-24-2010, 11:24 PM
Funny how often my posts get deleted when I put some thought and effort into it. Won't be doing that again.

You're a thoughtful guy. I wish you would put less energy into responding to people who are intentionally trying to piss other people off. (Especially after I said I'd delete anything more along that particular line of discussion.)

randman21
06-25-2010, 12:30 PM
Thanks. I understand. Heh, this guy irks me like no other, but I'm done.

WebDudette
06-26-2010, 09:22 PM
Fair warning -- Any further ridiculous comments about Green Day somehow having any influence on how The Offspring run their shows will be deleted. This needs to stop. Jesus christ, this is like The Neverending Story, a work of fantasty that is never-ending, without the benefit of an adorable flying dog called Falcor. Next time, bring Falcor. Fuck.

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