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yarock
02-21-2011, 12:59 PM
Just give them some time at least. That wouldn't harm you or here I suppose.

Tijs
02-21-2011, 01:08 PM
Actually, I'm up for that.

yarock
02-21-2011, 02:12 PM
Yeah, why would you be against it?

Little_Miss_1565
02-21-2011, 02:17 PM
The people who get continuously re-banned are the people who had abundant chances not to be dicks, but chose to be anyway. I feel like you really have to try to get yourself to that point.

yarock
02-21-2011, 02:20 PM
Like I said you can enable them some time. Again.

Little_Miss_1565
02-21-2011, 02:22 PM
You say that as though we haven't. The problem is, we have.

yarock
02-21-2011, 02:30 PM
No I understand that, I do. But I'm also saying that maybe you should try bury the hatchets. 'cause some seems pretty.. mmm- well-fitting in here.

Little_Miss_1565
02-21-2011, 02:47 PM
I'm definitely not interested in debating this publicly.

Al Coholic
02-21-2011, 03:53 PM
Try debating her pubicly. Worked for me.


And yeah, keep banning them. Where exactly you draw the line seems arbitrary. 37 second chances aren't enough, they should get a 38th? Nah.

yarock
02-22-2011, 01:18 AM
I don't know what there's to debate exactly. I prefer one skilled ex-member to 30000 spammers is all.

WebDudette
02-22-2011, 03:29 AM
Who are you referring to in particular? Do you even know why they were banned? A lot of people who were banned then came back did the exact same thing they were banned for. Besides, a lot of them have had the opportunity to come back under a different name and as long as they didn't do anything to get banned or draw attention, no one would ever find out.

yarock
02-22-2011, 03:47 AM
Who are you referring to in particular?

Names won't matter - they aren't my friends, etc. I knew no one from here before I signed up.


Do you even know why they were banned?

No.


A lot of people who were banned then came back did the exact same thing they were banned for.

I don't know anything about that.


Besides, a lot of them have had the opportunity to come back under a different name and as long as they didn't do anything to get banned or draw attention, no one would ever find out.

Apparently, this isn't how it's happening these days.

WebDudette
02-22-2011, 03:55 AM
Apparently, this isn't how it's happening these days.

No, because they keep coming back under obvious aliases and doing the same shit they got banned for.

So you don't know anything at all, you just want to comment on it?

yarock
02-22-2011, 04:28 AM
The problem is PilZ-E, they aren't allowed to do anything. Their lifespan here with their aliases is over when a moderator logs in and discovers who they are. My main point is; excusing them some reasonable time wouldn't be hurtful.

randman21
02-22-2011, 04:37 AM
I assume you're talking about HAU. I feel it's unfair to say this to you, but it's the truth: you just haven't been around long enough to fully get the situation. Especially with HAU. If you want to defend him in any way or think he hasn't had enough chances, you are clearly not informed enough.

yarock
02-22-2011, 04:54 AM
Yeah I set off from HeadAroundU, but it isn't just about him - I don't want to defend him or anything like that. It's a general complaint.

Jojan
02-22-2011, 09:20 AM
No, everyone should be banned. Only the moderators should be allowed!

Harleyquiiinn
02-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Well Jojan I'm surprised. If I was the one making decision, I would ban everyone but you. Then all the threads could be "threads made by Jojan"

(on the subject: I think the real question is the proportion between the problems a member could create and their contribution to the BBS. But I don't know HAU, really, so I have no idea precisely about that.)

dexter12296566
02-22-2011, 11:18 AM
This is a punk forum! Why are there rules in the first place? Punks don't give a shit! It's all about anarchy! That's how it should be here!

dexter12296566
02-22-2011, 11:20 AM
Fuck yeah!

SEE???? Give the guy a chance! He gets it! This is about punk not punishment!

Jojan
02-22-2011, 11:38 AM
I remember when I got banned for a couple of days. I did not even get an explanation. ^_^

dexter12296566
02-22-2011, 11:52 AM
I remember when I got banned for a couple of days. I did not even get an explanation. ^_^

I got banned for 2 days the first year I was here ON MY BIRTHDAY!

EDIT: Which Matus made fun of in my thread from maria

Tijs
02-22-2011, 02:22 PM
The thing is that if a permanently banned member comes back, it happens in such a way that it's really quite obvious that it's someone who has been permanently banned. Be it by the posts they make, or the usernames they use. For example, see some of the nicknames that HAU created:
http://www.offspring.com/community/member.php?u=71199
http://www.offspring.com/community/member.php?u=71511
http://www.offspring.com/community/member.php?u=71514
http://www.offspring.com/community/member.php?u=71397
http://www.offspring.com/community/member.php?u=71399

It doesn't really convince anyone that there are any good intentions involved in their actions.

If, after a significant amount of time, someone wants to come back, then there's better ways to do it than (directly) provoking the mods and/or other users. He or she could create a profile with a non-provoking username and create non-provoking posts or threads. This is generally not the case.
Another way is to contact one of us moderators, and just have a normal talk about it.


I got banned for 2 days the first year I was here ON MY BIRTHDAY!Being banned on your birthday shouldn't be that big of a deal though, should it? I mean, there should be better things to do on your birthday ;)
And it's not like having your birthday gives you a free voucher to ignore the forum guidelines.


This is a punk forum! Why are there rules in the first place? Punks don't give a shit! It's all about anarchy! That's how it should be here!Where does this board to claim to be punk? Not even The Offspring claims to be punk. And even if this would be the case, maybe there's some more things for you to find out about what exactly 'punk' is.


Their lifespan here with their aliases is over when a moderator logs in and discovers who they are.Usually it's not really that we "discover" anything, 9 out of 10 times it's just too obvious.

dexter12296566
02-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Being banned on your birthday shouldn't be that big of a deal though, should it? I mean, there should be better things to do on your birthday ;) And it's not like having your birthday gives you a free voucher to ignore the forum guidelines.
Actually no. I was excited because I came on as a visitor and I saw the thread to me. Sadly this website is like my life. I always talk about the people I meet here and things that go on to my mom and dad. Besides, I don't exactly understand what I did wrong.


Where does this board to claim to be punk? Not even The Offspring claims to be punk. And even if this would be the case, maybe there's some more things for you to find out about what exactly 'punk' is.

I claim they're punk. Besides, punk knows no rules.


Also, my friend Catelyne joined here because my AIM wasn't working but she wanted to talk to me. She joined here so we could chat. She came on as Niichenichelle and got herself banned somehow. She made me make a facebook because it said the ban would be forever and then she came on again...


EDIT: AWWWWW! HAU already got banned again!

Tijs
02-22-2011, 04:04 PM
Actually no. I was excited because I came on as a visitor and I saw the thread to me. Sadly this website is like my life. I always talk about the people I meet here and things that go on to my mom and dad. Besides, I don't exactly understand what I did wrong.As I remember it you got three warnings in a short amount of time. All three times you were explained why you got the warning (derailing/bumping threads and posting/asking for personal info about the band). If you get banned, the previous given warnings should contain the reason you're looking for.
Same goes for Jojan, except he got warnings for different things.

Though if it happens more often that someone doesn't understand why he or she is banned, then maybe we moderators should be more clear about this in the future. But actually, I can't remember the last time we banned someone or gave someone a warning.


I claim they're punk. Besides, punk knows no rules.Even if you were right, punk and anarchy are two different things. And anarchy has never successfully worked, now has it?
How often have you contacted me about things that shouldn't be allowed on the forums?


Also, my friend Catelyne joined here because my AIM wasn't working but she wanted to talk to me. She joined here so we could chat. She came on as Niichenichelle and got herself banned somehow. She made me make a facebook because it said the ban would be forever and then she came on again...There's no user with the name 'Niichenichelle'. I did find Niichnichelle, but she has made zero posts and there's no mentioning of her anywhere.

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
02-22-2011, 06:16 PM
I'm actually too fucking tired to debate this topic again. This board has been fucked the Mods beyond repair and it is hopeless for the new members. The nothingboard is also a piece a shit board with only a few intelligent conversations. These 2 forums are like the opposites of each other. This BBS has barely any activity while the other forum is flooded with bs I got tired with.

Either
A) I'm too old for this shit
or
B) I just don't give a fuck anymore

Rag Doll
02-22-2011, 07:10 PM
If everyone is so tired of debating it, then perhaps it shouldn't be debated any longer.

Harleyquiiinn
02-23-2011, 12:58 AM
Oh so that's HAU... I get it now..:

I like how you speak smurf with fuck.

Harleyquiiinn
02-23-2011, 02:12 AM
Yes but the BBS has specific rules.

There is nothing wrong with your username but I think what Tijs was trying to say is that they don't actually have to guess it's you.

Also as he says right after it, the usernames are not the problem but what they imply.

You have been permantly banned under the nickname HAU probably for a good reason and when you registered again, you take exactly the same nickname, claiming that it's you. This implies that you don't intend to change your attitude and that you think you belong here and your banishment was unfair.

I guess what the mods are trying to say, and I mean at least Tijs because he said so, is that they are completely ready to give a second, third, fourth chance to a previoulsy banned member if that member actually wish to take it and doesn't join only to provoke.

But of course, you already know that :)

Dexternumbers, that is why your intervention is out of line by the way. You were given 3 or 4 chances, mods explained why you were banned and let you come back with your username. I am not used to defend the mods but I think you really shouldn't criticize right now. If that BBS is that important to you, accept its rules.

Lord Phidias
02-23-2011, 03:28 AM
I find this thread amusing, I have never ever got banned or warned, I behave myself. I think it would be fun to get banned for a couple of days, how can I achieve that?

samseby
02-23-2011, 06:42 AM
I find this thread amusing, I have never ever got banned or warned, I behave myself. I think it would be fun to get banned for a couple of days, how can I achieve that?

:D

Geez! Always thought by registering you accept the rules of a board ;). So the way I see it you got two options:
Accept and follow the rules or register somewhere else / get banned - as easy as that.

yarock
02-23-2011, 10:51 AM
Tijs, I believe that you're favorable but when the guy came here last week his username wasn't reveal himself and he was able to last here for 3-4 days. The accounts he made after were all named in "HAU*" format and they were suspended as soon as they were noticed.

Virtuoso
02-23-2011, 01:16 PM
I guess what the mods are trying to say, and I mean at least Tijs because he said so, is that they are completely ready to give a second, third, fourth chance to a previoulsy banned member if that member actually wish to take it and doesn't join only to provoke.


Unless it's to provoke thought.

Tijs
02-23-2011, 02:53 PM
Thanks Harleyquiiinn, for explaining it more clearly.
Tijs, I believe that you're favorable but when the guy came here last week his username wasn't reveal himself and he was able to last here for 3-4 days. The accounts he made after were all named in "HAU*" format and they were suspended as soon as they were noticed.You're talking about exoplanet I assume? That's probably because there wasn't anything wrong about the firsts posts he made. And sometimes we can't see every post that has been made (hence the report buttons).
Me and 'exoplanet' had a short nice conversation, and I was curious to see how he would behave then. It didn't take all that long before being the good ol' familiar HAU again.

dexter12296566
02-23-2011, 09:53 PM
As I remember it you got three warnings in a short amount of time. All three times you were explained why you got the warning (derailing/bumping threads and posting/asking for personal info about the band). If you get banned, the previous given warnings should contain the reason you're looking for.
Same goes for Jojan, except he got warnings for different things.

Though if it happens more often that someone doesn't understand why he or she is banned, then maybe we moderators should be more clear about this in the future. But actually, I can't remember the last time we banned someone or gave someone a warning.

Even if you were right, punk and anarchy are two different things. And anarchy has never successfully worked, now has it?
How often have you contacted me about things that shouldn't be allowed on the forums?

There's no user with the name 'Niichenichelle'. I did find Niichnichelle, but she has made zero posts and there's no mentioning of her anywhere.

I know they are different but anarchy and punk go together, i think...
i dont remember many warnings...
http://www.offspring.com/community/member.php?u=29707

Little_Miss_1565
02-24-2011, 09:00 AM
Unfortunately, individual interpretations of punk are not binding replacements for the clearly spelled out forum rules that are available for everyone to read, nor are they a valid counterargument for said rules.

Llamas
02-24-2011, 11:22 AM
This thread is retarded. I definitely missed all the events that led to HAU getting banned, so I don't have an opinion on whether or not he should've been banned in the first place, but every time I see him come back, it's exactly what I'm seeing described here by the mods - he hasn't given a single sign that he's sorry or wants to be a good poster. He makes a new account with some obnoxious HAU name and makes stupid posts. I think he might be given a chance if he signed up with a "normal", non-obvious name and just acted like a new member... OR if he signed up with a HAU-related name, and made a formal apology, promised to follow the rules and all that, and seemed to be making an effort to be a decent member.

My personal opinion on HAU... the dude was banned years ago (wasn't it like 2 or 3 years ago by now??) and is *still* trying to get attention here/rile people up. For someone who's supposedly an adult (isn't he in his 20s?), it just seems extremely pathetic to me. Let it go, move on... find something else with which to occupy your time.

And I've seen banned members get second chances. Bipolar Bear was given a second chance... I believe ZagmenO, too.... and as many times as everyone wanted him banned, bighead/endlesstom is still here today. Oh, and Lodat? He was originally banned as Warning:Nimrod or whatever, right?

I repeat: this thread is retarded.

dexter12296566
02-24-2011, 02:05 PM
HAU is getting banned now for no reason... why??? I actually like HAU....

Al Coholic
02-24-2011, 05:21 PM
Pretty sure if this place was a trupunx message board, dexternumbers would've been harassed to death and mortified with gay and/or beasteality porn...ultimately lasting less than a week here.

WebDudette
02-24-2011, 05:22 PM
Those were the days.

Paint_It_Black
02-25-2011, 07:58 AM
HAU is getting banned now for no reason... why??? I actually like HAU....

Dexternumbers, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by mods with banhammers. Who's gonna do it? You? You, dexternumbers? Mods have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for HAU, and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That HAU's ban, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the mods' existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about while in your garage blissfully unaware of whether it has rafters or not, you want them on that wall, you need them on that wall.

Harleyquiiinn
02-25-2011, 07:59 AM
Dexternumbers, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by mods with banhammers. Who's gonna do it? You? You, dexternumbers? Mods have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for HAU, and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That HAU's ban, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the mods' existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about while in your garage blissfully unaware of whether it has rafters or not, you want them on that wall, you need them on that wall.

That was good.

yarock
02-25-2011, 10:11 AM
Pretty sure if this place was a trupunx message board, dexternumbers would've been harassed to death and mortified with gay and/or beasteality porn...ultimately lasting less than a week here.

Then 4chan is the most punk boards? in the Internet I assume? Gee, even it has plenty of its rules.

34. There is porn of it. No exceptions.

Jojan
02-25-2011, 02:50 PM
The Internet is near anarchy, ergo it is tr00 punx.

Little_Miss_1565
02-25-2011, 09:04 PM
Then 4chan is the most punk boards? in the Internet I assume? Gee, even it has plenty of its rules.

34. There is porn of it. No exceptions.

Okay, I LOL'd.

dexter12296566
02-26-2011, 02:47 PM
Pretty sure if this place was a trupunx message board, dexternumbers would've been harassed to death and mortified with gay and/or beasteality porn...ultimately lasting less than a week here.
Well, I was harassed and got quite a few messages telling me to kill myself....


Dexternumbers, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by mods with banhammers. Who's gonna do it? You? You, dexternumbers? Mods have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for HAU, and you curse the mods. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That HAU's ban, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the mods' existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about while in your garage blissfully unaware of whether it has rafters or not, you want them on that wall, you need them on that wall.
what the hell are you talking about?


That was good.
not really

_Lost_
03-21-2011, 09:53 PM
Those were the days.

Tub girl still haunts me in my dreams.

Cassidy, HAU loves the attention he gets, whether it be the relative n00b defending his right to stay here or the "OhGOD!" You furiously type when you happen across the lemon party photo at the top of his most recent thread. This guy was banned years ago and he still isn't bored with rejoining. Doesn't that seem like a sad existence? Why should anyone who joins with the intent to cause as much commotion as possible before a mod logs in and bans them be allowed to stay? He's not even that good at it anymore.

_Lost_
03-22-2011, 12:51 PM
Seems like I struck a nerve mocking HAU. Just so's ya know HAU, never saw those msgs cause I was too busy getting laid to catch them before our beloved mods deleted them. Andy's marine fingers joke was gold though.

Outerspaceman21
03-22-2011, 01:05 PM
The Mods are the unsung heroes of our generation

coke_a_holic
03-23-2011, 10:39 AM
This thread brings back the memories of when this board was the Old West of the internets.

People weren't banned. No, they were shamed into leaving this place forever. They ran like dogs with tails tucked neatly between their scampering legs. Revealing the character flaws of people, writing songs about it afterward, photoshopping their face onto animals. The banhammer brought a whole new world in. No longer did you have to mock someone until they refused to come back, you had to let them put one toe over the line. Then you just lock 'em out. No more ballads. No more Frog-Maria pictures. No more EROS. No more Paptown.

God save the mods.

Oxygene
03-23-2011, 03:49 PM
it's better this way... much much better

WebDudette
03-23-2011, 04:42 PM
That's just like... your opinion, man.

holland25
04-09-2011, 01:00 AM
I got banned for 2 days the first year I was here ON MY BIRTHDAY!

EDIT: Which Matus made fun of in my thread from maria

:D


HAU is getting banned now for no reason... why??? I actually like HAU....

For no reason? Seriously, he and Davo deserve to be banned forever.