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yaozee
02-09-2005, 05:50 AM
what do you think about socialist

rodriguez
02-09-2005, 06:21 AM
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wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 06:28 AM
Yaozee, I see you are from the People's Republic of China, I've known some Marxist students there. I myself am a socialist. I believe there is only one or two other socialists on this board.

yaozee
02-09-2005, 06:47 AM
maybe
but i am not a socialist
i hate all kind of politics

intothevalleyofdeath
02-09-2005, 06:48 AM
just look what happened to socialism in germany

rodriguez
02-09-2005, 07:11 AM
just look what happened to socialism in germany

just look what happened to jim morrison. LOLZ!!!

intothevalleyofdeath
02-09-2005, 07:12 AM
just look what will happen to your face when im done with u

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 07:28 AM
just look what happened to socialism in germany
You mean DDR or what?

Iddy
02-09-2005, 07:36 AM
just something thats confused me... whats the difference between marxism and socialism? I know they are similar...

could someone explain to me... thanks

jiangcrazy
02-09-2005, 07:39 AM
I don't know what socialism really is.
Surely I am not a socialist.
Do you think China is a socialism country? :confused:

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 07:46 AM
Well that's a complicated question, because socialism has several meanings now.

Socialism is often a term used to describe all left wing parties that are against market economics, from communist to anarchist.

Socialism in marxist theory, is the stage of development after capitalism but before communism.

Socialism is nowadays often in Europe used instead of social-democrat.

Marxism is the political theory and analysis developed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, and expanded by several other theorists into many different directions.

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 07:47 AM
I don't know what socialism really is.
Surely I am not a socialist.
Do you think China is a socialism country? :confused:
No I don't. It's economy is based largely in capitalist theory.

Iddy
02-09-2005, 07:57 AM
Socialism in marxist theory, is the stage of development after capitalism but before communism.

Thanks :)

i never quite got that... i don't particuarly subscribe to marxist theory, the idea of capitalism just being a stage of social evolution... i don't think you can talk about society 'evolving' in the same way as used in science.

i'm fairly neutral in politics... work hard, play hard, live and let live. Socialism handled well would be far better an idea than capitalism though.

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 09:27 AM
I think it's rather fascinating to see how well marxist analysis applies to society. How society has developed in quite the same way economically, as species develop in nature.

Iddy
02-09-2005, 10:13 AM
Society doesn't just develop economically though. I personally feel that marxist anaylsis only referes to economics of society, so it really only applies to 'economically developed' societies. If it doens't apply to all societies then how can it be a valid social theory?

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 10:43 AM
No, but by economics Marxists usually refer to the relations surrounding the form of production of a current society. Because this is what will shape society to it's very bone. And I think that's quite accurate.

SicN Twisted
02-09-2005, 12:58 PM
Most Americans consider any economic system socialist that's less laissez-faire then America's.

Iddy
02-09-2005, 02:11 PM
No, but by economics Marxists usually refer to the relations surrounding the form of production of a current society. Because this is what will shape society to it's very bone. And I think that's quite accurate.

form of production.... to me that relates to industrialised society. maybe i'm wrong...

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 02:57 PM
Not really. In the industrialized society, manufacturisation is the form of production. Before that, in the feudal society, the form of production was much more agricultural based. And before the feudal society there were tribes, and these tribes were, based on which level of development they had reached, under different forms of production.

Sic, it's not really an American thing, you will find that with anyone who thinks that the free movement of capital = the complete freedom of the people.

Iddy
02-09-2005, 03:10 PM
Not really. In the industrialized society, manufacturisation is the form of production. Before that, in the feudal society, the form of production was much more agricultural based. And before the feudal society there were tribes, and these tribes were, based on which level of development they had reached, under different forms of production.


the 'production' in tribal societies is communal hunting... which is not really production in the marxist sense as there is no relationship between means and ownership.

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 03:29 PM
Hunting and gathering. But tribes have been known to farm to. Before the feudal stage. Tribes go through several stages.

And as far as tribes go, there was ownership, it was a communal ownership, in which the patriach or the matriarch would get the biggest share and it would divide itself down that way.

Iddy
02-09-2005, 03:41 PM
i don't believe that tribes go through serveral stages... there are plenty of tribes around the world that have remained the same for centuries. that's what i believe is a fundemental error in marxist theory... the idea of evolving societies, its not stages, but changes.

wheelchairman
02-09-2005, 03:54 PM
Well that depends on many things. Evolution always has to happen when certain material pre-requisites are met. And whether or not the tribe is consciously ready for progress. Because there are tribes that prefer traditionalism over westernisation.

But tribes do go through several stages that we don't even notice. Even right down from mating patterns and who raises which children etc. I lack the words in English, because I read this topic in Danish. But often tribes do, early on, have a lot of in-breeding. At this stage it is usually a matriarch that runs the tribe. Then as the tribal society evolves, more and more taboos are put on mating (like don't mate with your sister or cousin or their families.)

SkunkIt
02-09-2005, 05:11 PM
what do you think about socialist

Meh.You can't see the rest of these words, because they match the page.

yaozee
02-09-2005, 11:16 PM
Meh.You can't see the rest of these words, because they match the page.
you are funny

Ken Jennings
02-09-2005, 11:22 PM
Where did all these slant eyes come from?