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Baldwin
12-05-2011, 09:37 AM
Specifically, I found a better Australian post-apocalyptic low-budget B-movie from the 1980's with the same villain as Mad Max 1 that's vastly superior to Mad Max 1 and 3, and slightly superior to Mad Max 2.

It's called Salute of the Jugger (also known as The Blood of Heroes). You need to watch it immediately and then you need to die, knowing your life was full and complete, and that the future can hold nothing better for mankind than Salute of the Jugger.

ad8
12-05-2011, 02:56 PM
Sounds like Yor: The Hunter from the Future got some competition

personal_loans_1
12-06-2011, 06:01 AM
It's called Salute of the Jugger (also known as The Blood of Heroes). You need to watch it immediately and then you need to die, knowing your life was full and complete, and that the future can hold nothing better for mankind than Salute of the Jugger.
Pleeeease, maybe after scene with horse drifting under the truck you could eventually think about dying fulfilled, but even that is a modest example of bollywood wonderland. Ok, it's here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4KJTmBNmY 02m00s, but previous accidents are important to set the scene.

That Blood of Heroes has 7,5/10 on film site I use, I'm confused.

Baldwin
12-06-2011, 10:25 AM
Just because it's low-budget doesn't mean it has to be Indian-quality dogshit awful. India's movies are worse than their telemarketers.

personal_loans_1
12-06-2011, 12:07 PM
I'd never use a low-budget as an insult! Btw, this particular Indian shit doesn't look like cheap one at all. At least it's intentional camp.

So you mean it's good good not so bad it's good?

wheelchairman
12-06-2011, 02:15 PM
Game of Thrones wins. Sure its a tv show, and I always use these same selling points, but its full of incest, horse decapitations, lecherous alcoholic midgets, tits, disembowlments, murder (that seems tame) and at least one instance of a guy's tongue being ripped out.

And because its on HBO they don't simply allude to it, they just show it.

Lizardus
12-06-2011, 08:59 PM
sounds like yor: The hunter from the future got some competition

he's the man!

Baldwin
12-07-2011, 08:03 AM
It's got a B-movie budget and a B-movie plot and a B-movie Rutger Hauer, but it's good-good. It's incredible-good. It's the best-movie-ever-made-except-Mad-Max-2-good.

And Game of Thrones isn't a movie. Or Australian. Or Post-Apocalyptic, low-budget, B-movie-grade, or from the 1980's. And it doesn't have Hugh Keays-Byrne as the villain. In fact, it doesn't have any actors from the Mad Max series. Also, it's not an underrated, undiscovered gem. Everyone knows about Game of Thrones, and everyone loves it. So I don't even know why it was brought up here. Go start your own thread.

wheelchairman
12-07-2011, 09:15 AM
I gave up on aussie b movies as Aliens vs. Zombies completly failed to deliver.

Baldwin
12-07-2011, 11:33 AM
Anyways, if you like Game of Thrones there's a movie you should see called Black Death (2010). It's the only medieval movie I've ever seen that portrays true medieval attitudes instead of the chivalrous lies invented in the Renaissance and later, which makes it the bleakest, grittiest and most depressing movie I've ever seen, ever. Also, it's set in 1348 so it technically should count as Post-Apocalyptic, so it sort-of kind-of belongs in this thread. And it's got a couple actors from Game of Thrones.

Free?
12-07-2011, 11:43 AM
The only film that comes in mind is Avalon (misleading trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6M9cMdq8MA)). It's nothing like Mad Max or Salute of the Jugger, but it's a dystopic low-budget little known movie that I loved.

I'm interested in any decent post-apocalyptic films, which are sadly very rare. Last one I saw was Book of Eli and I didn't even finish watching it. Aand, well, Children of Men is awesome, I feel like it's worth mentioning, even though it probably doesn't qualify for this thread.

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Anyways, if you like Game of Thrones there's a movie you should see called Black Death (2010). It's the only medieval movie I've ever seen that portrays true medieval attitudes instead of the chivalrous lies invented in the Renaissance and later, which makes it the bleakest, grittiest and most depressing movie I've ever seen, ever. Also, it's set in 1348 so it technically should count as Post-Apocalyptic, so it sort-of kind-of belongs in this thread. And it's got a couple actors from Game of Thrones.


Oh my, Sean Bean is great and he's definitely one of the best out there for knight roles. Just seeing him in trailer puts the film in mustsee category, cheers for headsups!
I'd recommend checking out "Black Death", one of Bean's recent films where he was playing a knight as well, it's a great movie, realistic and of high-quality (I mean, my cheesedetector was quiet for once), dark, heavy and cruel, and it hits you not because of gore (which is plenty), but because of medieval atmosphere, deep psychological elements and strong discomfort as you sit and watch at time of plague age.
Yeah, Black Death is great.

Baldwin
12-07-2011, 12:19 PM
There's the obvious ones, like the Mad Max trilogy, 12 Monkeys, The Road, A Boy and His Dog, 23 Days/Weeks Later. Then there's The Postman, which a lot of people hated but I quite liked, so you should probably make up your own mind on it. The TV Series "Jericho" was great up until the last season, which got pretty boring. "The Walking Dead" is also great if you don't mind zombies in your Post-Apocalypse.

One movie I especially recommend is Stakeland. It's vampire-holocaust, and I usually don't care for vampire and zombie bullshit in Post-Apocalyptica, but Stakeland was done excellently.

Al Coholic
12-07-2011, 12:31 PM
If it's cheese you like:

John Carpenter's escape from L.A.

Free?
12-07-2011, 12:49 PM
There's the obvious ones, like the Mad Max trilogy, 12 Monkeys, The Road, A Boy and His Dog, 23 Days/Weeks Later. Then there's The Postman, which a lot of people hated but I quite liked, so you should probably make up your own mind on it. The TV Series "Jericho" was great up until the last season, which got pretty boring. "The Walking Dead" is also great if you don't mind zombies in your Post-Apocalypse.

One movie I especially recommend is Stakeland. It's vampire-holocaust, and I usually don't care for vampire and zombie bullshit in Post-Apocalyptica, but Stakeland was done excellently.
Thanks for recommendations, I was leaving The Road for times when I'll need some depression shot, almost forgot about it. I've read The Postman and I've watched the movie ages ago, so I'm not even sure if the current me would like or hate it, but as I recall I enjoyed it back then.
I will check out Stakeland.

If it's cheese you like:

John Carpenter's escape from L.A.

Fuck yeah, Plissken can handle balls.

yarock
12-08-2011, 10:11 AM
Dust (2001) - Features Australian David Wenham though pretty much a European movie. Sets in multiple time zones.

Not post-apocalyptic. Not well-known. Excellent.

Free?
12-11-2011, 12:47 PM
Here's a good one. La jetée (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056119/). It's a short narrated novel which is only 28 minutes, but it certainly feels like rewarding and accomplished journey.
The trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GENscwqjzY) is magnetic, but I insist not to watch it before watching the film, it just feels right to watch it after.


Also, keeping up the post-apocalyptic theme, Andrei Tarkovskiy's Stalker deserves to be mentioned, even though you have probably already watched it because it's a classic and well-known. If you didn't - you're missing out one of the greatest works of cinema ever made.

Baldwin
12-12-2011, 09:30 AM
I haven't seen Stalker. Whenever I've watched a Russian movie that people think is great (Brat, Nightwatch, etc.) I just can't see the appeal at all. The only Ruski movies I actually liked were Sluga Gosundarev and Alexander Nevskiy (which, I'll admit, is only worth watching if you're a faggy film student or you just like getting drunk and watching the Battle of the Ice over and over)

My torrents are struggling with these barely-known works, but I just got Dust. About to watch.

Going back to the Medieval-themed movies, I have to recommend a not-so-recent Polack movie called Stara Basn - full title Stara Basn ; Kiedy słońce było bogiem - English titles The Old Tale, The Ancient Tale, or The Ancient Tale ; When the Sun was a God.

Another one called Flesh + Blood deserves mention, simply because the "heroes" actually keep to the mindset of the era they're supposed to be from, instead of being kind, heroic left-wing agnostics who support the rights of women and minorities and occasionally make a veiled criticism of whichever unpopular war was being fought when the movie was made. It does fail pretty hard at the end due to having no fucking clue how the plague works. Also, Rutger Hauer and Jennifer Jason Leigh ; expect carnage and depravity.

Free?
12-12-2011, 11:04 AM
My main problem with Russian movies is that they are either: A - trying too hard to imitate Western blockbusters/teen comedies/action etc - every drop of what is popular nowadays, or B - being ways too Russian, as if conservative, stoic and too predictable. Being born in USSR, I've got more than enough of pro-Russian "art" for the rest of my life, I avoid it like plague, I'm sure, there is some decent stuff out there, I just can't stand any single actor because there are like fifty cheap-ass movies he/she got filmed in. Brat never did appeal me, even less I cared about Nightwatch. But Stalker isn't anything like that. I'm worried about raising expectations over the roof, so I'll try to be as modest as possible. It offers pretty mindblowing cinematography (which doesn't look outdated after over 20 years), lots of subliminal stuff and object poetry which might feel a bit too simple and obvious, but still single handedly puts to shame almost everything filmed to this day, and it's a journey into human's nature with strong social criticism which I always liked. And my favorite part - Stalker has been filmed in the motherfucking Soviet Union yet it doesn't have that curse of having either pro-western or pro-russian mentality. To think about it, I wouldn't call it a movie, it's a film, the film. One of the greatest ever. So much for my modesty.

I guess I have to mention that I tend to enjoy slow paced philosophical stuff such as Avalon, Stalker and, as some might find it, La jetée, I enjoy having to chew my meal, not just sucking a paste. Consider this a warning - those films are not for casual watch they are for the times when you feel like chewing.

Baldwin
12-12-2011, 12:16 PM
I'm getting Stalker now.

But on the topic of the rah-rah-pro-Russia stuff, have you seen the Russian "Taras Bulba"? It was incredible. I was looking foward to it for ages, because I love Bogdan Stupka and I loved the story. And I was quite enjoying it, up until the GLORY-TO-OUR-RUSSIAN-HOMELAND dying monologue. I figured, "fine. It's a war movie, and a patriotic dying speech is to be expected, and the ethnic distinction between Russians and Ukrainians probably wasn't even a thing back then". Then another one started, immediately after, and pretty much ruined the entire movie. But then when the third one started literally right as the second one ended, I was wondering if this was some kind of weird Russian joke or internet meme I couldn't understand. By the seventh dying patriotic monologue in a row, I had no fucking clue what I was seeing, or what I should be thinking.

It. Was. Amazing.

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Based on what you said you like in movies, get "Van Diemen's Land". Lots of atmosphere, lots of scenery-porn, and altogether bleak and beautiful at the same time. Personally, I preferred "The Last Confession of Alexander Pearce", which was a more conventional take on the same story ; a bunch of convicts escape from a prison-camp into a vast, isolated wilderness incapable of supporting human life. The only food source available is each other.

personal_loans_1
12-13-2011, 04:07 PM
Dust is awesome. I saw it yesterday, and I must to thank you for mentioning it. Yeah, it's a masterpiece of narration. Bizarre, intricate and though I laughed really hard few times it's pretty serious, like, with all those references it could be ridiculous, but it's totally serious.

2 Russian things I've seen recently and I really liked:

Generation P (2011) - it's post-soviet so it kinda counts. Its director is Russian living in US since he was a teenager, I guess that saved that film. It's pretty energetic, and chilled at the same time. If you know the book it's based on, you will love it. Otherwise, I have no idea, it won people's choice award on 'Sputnik over Poland' fest, but I wouldn't recommend it without previous reading.

What Man Talk About (2010) - Title suggests something different but it's really good. Again, chillllled. A comedy, but not romantic one, it's a social satire, and as we all know, Russia is pretty awesome at this point. 4 man are going to some awesome club to Odessa, and they're discussing things. Shattered dreams, woman, life. Of course, they're basing on stereotypes, but it's witty. It takes place in the car mostly, but there are also many flashbacks and scenes dedicated to particular story.

Free?
12-15-2011, 01:07 PM
I found time to watch Stake Land. It felt like a tv-show in a single episode. It did have pretty much everything required for a post-apocalyptic movie but it lacked here and there, main thing I didn't like was the vamps, who looked and felt too average, an image that I never liked, other than that it was decent for a small budget fiction, it didn't feel like a parody, rather a tribute which is a cool thing.

When I first read Taras Bulba I assumed you were talking about some old USSR version and I thought that numerous patriotic speeches totally make sense for film from that time, but then I realized there was a modern version which I didn't know about and the seven-dying-speeches became a lot more amusing. I'll pass on it, I'll need at least a decade to recover my appreciation for the Russian cinema. Battle scenes in trailer looked pretty awesome though.

This was the deal breaker on decision whether to get Flesh+Blood or not.
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjI5MTkwOTgzOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDI4NjczNA@@._ V1_.jpg
I'm getting it.
Also The Road.

Asselery
12-15-2011, 05:31 PM
I think that's pretty awesome.

yarock
01-17-2012, 11:23 AM
I don't know if Stalker is the best for meeting with Tarko. No doubt it's his fastest paced movie with most accurate story-telling. Sure every work of his has a potential for making the viewer all flown and dizzy, but if you want get into post-Eisenstein Soviet cinema and start with Tarkovsky I'd recommend The Mirror or Solaris first.

ad8
01-18-2012, 05:53 AM
he's the man!
He neeeeever sees the sun...

It's a short narrated novel which is only 28 minutes, but it certainly feels like rewarding and accomplished journey.
I get what you mean now. And I didn't even manage to watch 3 minutes of it...

Free?
01-29-2012, 10:31 AM
Blindness.