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KTILLA23
01-19-2012, 03:34 PM
Link: http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a361102/megaupload-shut-down-by-us-officials.html

This is just bullshit! :mad:

coke_a_holic
01-19-2012, 03:49 PM
I am so upset over this. I can't even begin. I don't even really use Megaupload (there are better alternatives), but this is so dangerous and I can't deal with the possibilities of what this might mean.

KTILLA23
01-19-2012, 03:58 PM
I don't know what this might mean either. It's like they don't give a damn about SOPA or PIPA, the US government is just doing what they want to do. Even if the bill is not passed!

cool 2 hate 681
01-19-2012, 04:07 PM
i just used it yesterday:( they will probably shutdown mediafire next

coke_a_holic
01-19-2012, 04:10 PM
If Mediafire goes down, I will seriously take up arms. This aggression will not stand.

personal_loans_1
01-19-2012, 04:12 PM
Megavideo is gone too, I'm terrified. Most of movies I've seen and I've planned to see were hosted there and quite big number of them, those rare especially, were hosted only there. Fuck!

WebDudette
01-19-2012, 04:12 PM
It amazes me that these companies consider every successful download a loss of income. That's not how it works, you stupid pieces of shit.

Jakebert
01-19-2012, 04:16 PM
I know tons of people in local bands that use Megaupload to host their own music. This is so ridiculous that they can't use the service.

coke_a_holic
01-19-2012, 04:19 PM
I host my band's music over Mediafire and Megaupload... I discover music because of Mediafire and Megaupload. Without them, I would not be a loyal customer for nearly any of the bands that I love today.

But wait, none of those bands are on labels owned by the RIAA, so they "lol dont care **megaupload: baleeted**!"

I shouldn't feel like I'm putting on a tin foil hat when I say that the reason Mediafire is bad for the RIAA is because it shows them how easy it is for people to discover music without the radio (of which, nearly every channel is owned by the RIAA). The problem is that it's not the music they want to sell to you.

Llamas
01-19-2012, 05:17 PM
It's all horribly fucked up. If SOPA manages to pass, do these morons REALLY think everyone's gonna return to buying CDs or get everything on iTunes? This is the internet, people. Hackers and other 1337 nerds will find ways around it in due time. All this SOPA stuff is doing is pissing more and more people off. If anything, it's gonna cause the RIAA to lose even more money.

mrconeman
01-19-2012, 05:53 PM
Anonymous have struck back. the RIAA's website and several others are unavailable.

Hurrah for DDOS.

Jebus
01-19-2012, 05:59 PM
I'm incredibly pissed off by this. There's this forum I visit where people have made a giant archive of almost every televised boxing fight using megaupload. Obscure to famous stuff. It's pretty much impossible to find fights anywhere else and it's all gone now. It's especially bad because official boxing dvds aren't sold. Youtube is highly limited.

Little_Miss_1565
01-19-2012, 06:12 PM
I just wanted to pipe in and express my surprise at finding out Swizz Beatz is Megaupload's CEO.

mrconeman
01-19-2012, 06:27 PM
I'm incredibly pissed off by this. There's this forum I visit where people have made a giant archive of almost every televised boxing fight using megaupload. Obscure to famous stuff. It's pretty much impossible to find fights anywhere else and it's all gone now. It's especially bad because official boxing dvds aren't sold. Youtube is highly limited.

I really wish I knew that existed before this day. I mean, really.

coke_a_holic
01-19-2012, 07:04 PM
I just wanted to pipe in and express my surprise at finding out Swizz Beatz is Megaupload's CEO.

Wait wut. How.. What...

Huh. That's so strange, for some reason.

XYlophonetreeZ
01-19-2012, 08:52 PM
One of the DOJ's actual bases of indictment was "A comprehensive takedown method is in use to identify child pornography, but not deployed to remove infringing content. (item 24)"

Wait... what? Are they actually comparing the two?

That's like saying "The police set up a road block for a serial killer trying to escape, but not for drivers going over the speed limit."

Llamas
01-20-2012, 07:00 AM
One of the DOJ's actual bases of indictment was "A comprehensive takedown method is in use to identify child pornography, but not deployed to remove infringing content. (item 24)"

Wait... what? Are they actually comparing the two?

That's like saying "The police set up a road block for a serial killer trying to escape, but not for drivers going over the speed limit."

As The Oatmeal so eloquently put it, this whole ordeal is like dealing with the lion who escaped from the zoo by going after a bunch of kittens with a flamethrower.

BagOfShenanigans
01-20-2012, 07:27 AM
This is bullshit, the government should have no jurisdiction over the internet. This is our only plane of truly free speech.


A good alternative to MegaUpload is Dropbox.

And pirate bay is (at the moment) still open, so you can get movies from there.

samseby
01-20-2012, 08:46 AM
[...]If the United States can seize a Dutch citizen in New Zealand over a copyright claim, what is next?"[...]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/kim-dotcom-megaupload-founder_n_1218693.html

Odd.

personal_loans_1
01-20-2012, 10:13 AM
Black Mery, I don't wanna download films again...

Yep, planty of players out there, but show me one with fully vanishing bar. Streaming will never be the same. Bu.:(

I'll spare you theories galore, but hey, have you heard about that programmer sentenced to death in Iran? I knew IT is a pretty serious field, but those consequences are too fucking serious, and he with that porn site is for sure closer to me with my illegal mp3's than to e... country treason, or whatever really pretty serious.

Harleyquiiinn
01-20-2012, 10:20 AM
This is bullshit, the government should have no jurisdiction over the internet. This is our only plane of truly free speech.


A good alternative to MegaUpload is Dropbox.

And pirate bay is (at the moment) still open, so you can get movies from there.

Oh come on ! Let's not confuse things here.

I am really annoyed by people saying this is a scandal because of their freedom and also, they were legal stuff on mega upload, and who cares that it's illegal because industries still make shit loads of money.

Not that it is not true.

BUT they ARE losing money. And they will come a time when the only things they can produce is Justin Bieber. And no TV will take the risk to invest money in something like Battlestar galactica. So there will be only crap to download.

So here's the thing, the closing of megaupload, eventhough I was using it, is a good thing. And talking about how it infringes your freedom is complete hypocrisy. The only thing it infringes is the easy way we were finding content that usually cost money. Entertainment for free !


Now, what IS a problem is the power of ONE country over the entire world. THAT is scary.

Oh, and SOPA is another story, obviously.

PS: BagofStuff, this is not entirely directed at you. I read tons of comments like this on the Internet today, some from very good friends and you are certainly not the only one saying this in that thread. You are just the one who made me react, don't take this personnally.

Llamas
01-20-2012, 02:14 PM
I may be anti-SOPA, but this "it infringes on our freedom" argument is complete bullshit. I'm against how far SOPA is taking this stuff... an entire site can be shut down or blocked because they linked to a page that uses a picture they didn't have permission to use... and then you can go to prison for 5 years? But... whining that you can't get stuff for free anymore that you should have to pay for is entitled whining. People who choose to share their creations for free should be given an outlet to do so (which would be impossible if all these sites like megaupload get shut down), but complaining because you can't download all that shit for free that you're supposed to pay for? I do illegally download stuff - why? Because I can. But if this ability is removed, that doesn't mean my RIGHTS are being taken away... it means I want something from someone who has legal rights to request payment for it.

XYlophonetreeZ
01-20-2012, 02:38 PM
So here's the thing, the closing of megaupload, eventhough I was using it, is a good thing. And talking about how it infringes your freedom is complete hypocrisy. The only thing it infringes is the easy way we were finding content that usually cost money. Entertainment for free !

But aren't they punishing the wrong people for it? This sets a precedent for being able to police something as harmless as google, for facilitating people finding illegal stuff to download.

That said, I really hope the anti-SOPA movement moves on from the megaupload thing fast, mainly because even though I don't think it should have been shut down, megaupload would be a terrible poster child for their cause.

BagOfShenanigans
01-20-2012, 03:32 PM
@Harley

I get where you're coming from, but I'm mainly irritated that the big, bad government feels like they can just barge into any old website they want to (Regardless of it's origin) and shut it down.

It would have been different if it was Pirate Bay, which is publicly advertised as a channel through which a person can illegally acquire copyrighted material. But MegaUpload? No, MegaUpload is just an upload site, how the users choose to use it is not the fault of the owners and administrators, and they shouldn't be punished just because of the ignorance of their userbase.

The government enjoys 'quick-fixes' like this one. Hopping their knights right over all reason in an attempt to fix an issue with minimal work. It never works.
The correct course of action would be for the government to work with the owners of these sites to keep copyrighted content off the sites. But that would require these people to get off of their asses and physically work for it. And we all know the government hates having to work hard.

Maybe it's partially the fault of MegaUpload for not being more strict (sites like mediafire are far more strict in regard to copyright material), and they should have had some moderators checking the uploads; but once again, it's a lot of work, and no one wants to do it.

Anonymous retaliated earlier by taking down a swarm of federal and SOPA support websites; like the MPAA site, and the FBI site. Whether this was the right thing to do, or not, I have no idea. But something needs to be done in regard to getting these out-of-touch old men to see the importance, and the relevance of the internet, before it's torn to pieces by power-hungry companies like Viacom and CBS.

Llamas
01-20-2012, 07:06 PM
........
Oo

What part are you confused about? None of us has the "right" to get free copies of this stuff. Just because the opportunity is there doesn't make it a right. I do other things that are illegal, too, like jaywalking and speeding. If I get caught and am given a ticket, I'm super pissed about it, but they're not infringing on my rights or my freedom.

coke_a_holic
01-20-2012, 08:17 PM
Brianna -- I want to write an entire essay about this, but I don't have the patience and there's almost no reward since people aren't going to read it. But here are my thoughts, in essay format.

READ THIS SHIT, YOU FUCKERS, I WORKED HARD ON IT.

This is not about the government infringing on the right to pirate music. It's about the government picking up a role as world policemen, it's about the government prioritizing copyright law over due process, and it's about the simple fact that, even though record sales are down, but the RIAA still pulls in billions in profit (in 2009, they made $9 billion) [1]. I'm not going to cover the government stuff here, because it would take too long. Here's a general breakdown of my thoughts on the RIAA:

Album sales in 2010 only dropped by 13% [2], but profits only dropped by about 3% [1]. Compare this to 2001, where, amidst economic downturn and the destruction of Napster, the RIAA dropped 25% of its artists, but only lost 4% in profits, by jacking up the prices [3]

According to the RIAA's official FAQ: "In the decade since peer-to-peer (p2p) file-sharing site Napster emerged in 1999, music sales in the U.S. have dropped 47 percent, from $14.6 billion to $7.7 billion" [4]. Let's compare this to Apple's iTunes, which pulled in at least $12 billion in music sales over the past 3 years [5]. So while record sales dropped, singles have sold pretty well for iTunes, resulting in a ton of profit for the RIAA (they have a licensing agreement and all that).

But, according to [1], singles aren't nearly as profitable as albums; while singles sales go up, total profits don't move at the same rate. So what it do? What if the RIAA tried this, instead of spending $90 million in lobby fees for acts like SOPA and PIPA [6], instead of spending $58 million in legal fees [7], how about putting that money into an investment for good music? The RIAA's job is NOT to try to police us into buying their shitty music. It's their job to make something that's actually worth paying for.


[1] http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-02-18/tech/30052663_1_riaa-music-industry-cd-era
[2] http://www.zeropaid.com/news/91984/riaa-admits-p2p-not-solely-to-blame-for-decreased-music-sales/
[3] http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
[4] http://www.riaa.com/faq.php
[5] http://www.tuaw.com/2011/01/17/app-store-could-surpass-total-itunes-music-sales-by-march/
[6] http://www.ip-watch.org/2011/01/06/special-report-music-industrys-lavish-lobby-campaign-for-digital-rights/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[7] http://betanews.com/2010/07/14/riaa-s-return-on-58-million-in-lawyer-fees-two-percent/

coke_a_holic
01-20-2012, 08:18 PM
Oh, and so people might actually read this one, everyone should watch this video about SOPA and PIPA; it's very interesting: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/lang/en//id/1329

BagOfShenanigans
01-20-2012, 08:37 PM
Jeepers media made a video that exposes the corporations responsible for making the pirating software: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc

personal_loans_1
01-21-2012, 04:51 AM
Oh, and so people might actually read this one, everyone should watch this video about SOPA and PIPA; it's very interesting: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/lang/en//id/1329

Thanks, I was looking for something to watch to breakfast since videobb and others deleted most of illegal stuff = everything.

Do you know any sites with films online? Russian players would be preferred.

If someone will earn money on this it'd be mafia instead of artists. Like it was about to make it so, lol, like coke_a_holic said.

Llamas
01-21-2012, 05:40 AM
This is not about the government infringing on the right to pirate music. It's about the government picking up a role as world policemen, it's about the government prioritizing copyright law over due process, and it's about the simple fact that, even though record sales are down, but the RIAA still pulls in billions in profit (in 2009, they made $9 billion) [1]. I'm not going to cover the government stuff here, because it would take too long. Here's a general breakdown of my thoughts on the RIAA:

Album sales in 2010 only dropped by 13% [2], but profits only dropped by about 3% [1]. Compare this to 2001, where, amidst economic downturn and the destruction of Napster, the RIAA dropped 25% of its artists, but only lost 4% in profits, by jacking up the prices [3]

According to the RIAA's official FAQ: "In the decade since peer-to-peer (p2p) file-sharing site Napster emerged in 1999, music sales in the U.S. have dropped 47 percent, from $14.6 billion to $7.7 billion" [4]. Let's compare this to Apple's iTunes, which pulled in at least $12 billion in music sales over the past 3 years [5]. So while record sales dropped, singles have sold pretty well for iTunes, resulting in a ton of profit for the RIAA (they have a licensing agreement and all that).

But, according to [1], singles aren't nearly as profitable as albums; while singles sales go up, total profits don't move at the same rate. So what it do? What if the RIAA tried this, instead of spending $90 million in lobby fees for acts like SOPA and PIPA [6], instead of spending $58 million in legal fees [7], how about putting that money into an investment for good music? The RIAA's job is NOT to try to police us into buying their shitty music. It's their job to make something that's actually worth paying for.

I mostly disagree with your last point. If you don't find the shit the RIAA puts out "worth paying for", then don't bother listening to it at all. It's pretty simple. Of course more people download it than would actually buy it, and the RIAA does not understand how the internet spreads word and gets more people into stuff... but what you're saying is weird - it's a company's responsibility to make something good enough that people won't steal it? That's just kinda weird and messed up.

I'm not sure how the rest of your post argues against anything I said, though. The RIAA hasn't lost a lot of money - and I'm not really *defending* them. I rather hate the RIAA. I was only arguing against people who claim that illegal downloading is a "right" that they're having taken away. It's not a right, and as much as I hate the RIAA, they DO have a right to try to stop people from getting free copies of their products. But I do happen to also vehemently disagree with their idea of how to do it - SOPA is crazy. But losing the ability to download stuff for free is not the reason for that.

personal_loans_1
01-21-2012, 09:59 AM
Nah videozer and videobb deleted all movies longer than 25 minutes, so no matter legal or illegal.

I like how the way you feel about piracy reminds almost religion. I believe that it should stay so I can download whatever I want, so if I buy things I do it cause I want to have it, for real, like cd's, dvd's or to support the artist and not because if I won't buy it I will have nothing.

Outerspaceman21
01-21-2012, 09:45 PM
The shut down is pretty lame. I've used Megaupload several times, but I don't particularly care for it. It being shut down, though, is what bothers me. Like everyone else, I think SOPA is a stupid idea. I see the internet as a form of free speech and trying to censor in order to cut down on internet piracy is incredibly idiotic. Even if it does pass, it wont stop piracy.

Llamas
01-22-2012, 06:28 AM
Even if it does pass, it wont stop piracy.

Exactly. All it stands to do is piss everyone off. There are plenty of geeks out there who are just poised and ready to find loopholes and ways around any limitation they put on our internet.

I was just thinking today about how many of my favorite bands and artists I discovered through file sharing. I never listen to the radio, nor do I watch tv. So where else would I hear about all this music I buy? People share stuff with me, and then if I love it, I buy it. And I go to shows. I'm sure this is true for a lot of people. If SOPA passes, they're actually probably gonna see no change in income and success. Some people will return to buying CDs, while others will just forego it and never become fans in the first place.

They have every right to protect their intellectual property, and I'll never argue that they're taking away our rights or infringing on our "free speech" - in fact, downloading illegally kinda infringes on artists' rights, but the RIAA infringes on their rights more than anyone - but blocking this stuff isn't going to help anyone. I *almost* hope it does pass just so they can see the lack of change. I'd love to see the RIAA failing to sell albums even after online piracy doesn't exist. But I also don't want it to pass. At all.

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
01-23-2012, 07:51 AM
they will probably shutdown mediafire next

:eek: If that happens, I'll quit the internet

holland25
01-23-2012, 09:54 AM
Meh, Filesonic is next. They shut down their filesharing service without restraint, cause they feared they might end up the same way Megaupload did...

Little_Miss_1565
01-23-2012, 11:15 AM
I mostly disagree with your last point. If you don't find the shit the RIAA puts out "worth paying for", then don't bother listening to it at all. It's pretty simple. Of course more people download it than would actually buy it, and the RIAA does not understand how the internet spreads word and gets more people into stuff... but what you're saying is weird - it's a company's responsibility to make something good enough that people won't steal it? That's just kinda weird and messed up.

I'm not sure how the rest of your post argues against anything I said, though. The RIAA hasn't lost a lot of money - and I'm not really *defending* them. I rather hate the RIAA. I was only arguing against people who claim that illegal downloading is a "right" that they're having taken away. It's not a right, and as much as I hate the RIAA, they DO have a right to try to stop people from getting free copies of their products. But I do happen to also vehemently disagree with their idea of how to do it - SOPA is crazy. But losing the ability to download stuff for free is not the reason for that.

The RIAA member companies have definitely lost a lot of money. They're still a crap organization using outmoded strongarm tactics, but the fact remains that the bottom has largely dropped out of music retail. SOPA is not the way to go about fixing it, of course, I totally agree.

However, for everyone crying foul about Megaupload -- this is a company that has made buttloads of money because of people pirating music. That is so incredibly clearly theft! Defending corrupt fatcat billionaires for this is really quite ridiculous. I'm looking at you with that last statement, Anonymous.

Jesus
01-23-2012, 01:12 PM
Copyright like pretty much any monopoly leads to a welfare loss so it should be abolished, thank you very much. Especially in such a low capital intensive industry.



However, for everyone crying foul about Megaupload -- this is a company that has made buttloads of money because of people pirating music. That is so incredibly clearly theft! Defending corrupt fatcat billionaires for this is really quite ridiculous. I'm looking at you with that last statement, Anonymous.

If you can make buttloads of money from sites like megaupload then maybe content creators should run one of those sites...

Jojan
01-23-2012, 01:33 PM
Megaupload, Mediafire, Fileserve, Filesonic and soon Rapidshare.
http://thehiddentech.com/rapidshare-shutdown/

Little_Miss_1565
01-23-2012, 05:42 PM
Copyright like pretty much any monopoly leads to a welfare loss so it should be abolished, thank you very much. Especially in such a low capital intensive industry.

Abolishing copyright is a bit much. I don't think the way copyright has been extended and twisted (as it has now - not sure if anything can/will enter the public domain again) is a good thing, but there needs to be some manner of incentive for people to innovate and create.


If you can make buttloads of money from sites like megaupload then maybe content creators should run one of those sites...

Absolutely 100% correct. A great deal of lost income could have been avoided if, instead of trying to fight to preserve an outmoded system, the music and movie industries understood that the consumer was telling them how they want to consumer media and then delivering to the people what they want.

Jojan
01-24-2012, 10:34 AM
Any other musicians out there notice that ever since they shut down MegaUpload, the money has just been POURING in?

-- Jonathan Coulton (https://twitter.com/#!/jonathancoulton/status/160374297364414464)

Edit:

Actually, this is technically a relaunch of an earlier concept, and a perfect re-stab at major label opponents. "UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings," MegaUpload founder Kim 'Dotcom' Schmitz told Torrentfreak this week.

-- Article from December 21, 2011: MegaUpload Is Now Launching a Music Service Called MegaBox... (http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111221airvinyl)

holland25
01-24-2012, 11:08 AM
a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings,"

If that happens I'm willing to pay for the songs. Artists deserve the money, not labels.

Little_Miss_1565
01-24-2012, 11:48 AM
If that happens I'm willing to pay for the songs. Artists deserve the money, not labels.

Some, not all, labels provide a service to artists that they're not able to do well on their own. Demonizing labels is sexy, but it's really unnecessary in a lot of cases.

jacknife737
01-24-2012, 12:55 PM
Though i'm certainly against them shutting down sites like megaupload, these companies aren't exactly innocent in all of this. When their services are being widely used for copyright infringement they certainly should have to take more aggressive action to curb it - and yes i'm a total hypocrite on this because i've used it to download songs without paying for them.

And labels get a unfairly demonized; they put a lot of effort into getting these albums made, via hooking bands up with producers or even marketing it. There's a good chance that i wouldn't listen to a lot of bands that i currently love if it wasn't for the effort of label owners like Toby Jeg (red scare industries) or Mike Park (asian man records), ect.

holland25
01-25-2012, 04:46 AM
Some, not all, labels provide a service to artists that they're not able to do well on their own. Demonizing labels is sexy, but it's really unnecessary in a lot of cases.

Okay, but still, 99:1 is not fair... It should be 50:50.

Little_Miss_1565
01-25-2012, 11:13 AM
Okay, but still, 99:1 is not fair... It should be 50:50.

First of all, if you're a band and you sign a contract giving you 99:1, you deserve it for being stupid.

Very often, when a label gets an enormous chunk of the pie, they're doing something to deserve it. It's certainly not always the case, but it does happen. And in the cases where a band is savvy enough to do a lot of the heavy lifting with marketing, sales, radio, publicity, etc etc on their own, they can take a piece of the pie to go with that. But they frequently don't.

Gustavo
01-26-2012, 02:48 PM
However, for everyone crying foul about Megaupload -- this is a company that has made buttloads of money because of people pirating music. That is so incredibly clearly theft! Defending corrupt fatcat billionaires for this is really quite ridiculous.

Well, you have a very valid argument. Kim Dotcom and the rest of the Megaupload crew are being punished because they provided a service which people misused, which means, third parties are the ones responsible for the illegal files. Ok, you may say that they did little or almost nothing about said files. But it's still a third party, right? And infringing copyright is a crime, as are lots of other things, for example: homicide.

Now, it makes me wonder, how many people have been killed because of guns? How many homicides there have been due to lethal weapons? Many. Which means, that a lot of crimes have been committed by people using guns, why not arrest everyone who has produced or sold guns? Either legally or ilegally, after all, it's lives we're talking about. You may say that it was third parties who "misused" guns and killed people, and not the people who produced or sold them. But isn't that the same thing that's happening with Megaupload? I'm pretty sure that the people who profit from weapons know that the product they are selling kills people, and therefore, people commit crimes through their product. Why not arrest those people, too?

Oh, I forgot, copyright infringement is more important than lives.

Btw, Little Miss, I'm not implying that you think that copyright infrigement is more important than lives or anything like that, I just used what you said to start a whole other kind of discussion.

Little_Miss_1565
01-26-2012, 03:04 PM
Gustavo, Kim Dotcom has done a LOT of bragging about making money off of people using his service for illegal purposes, so I have absolutely no sympathy. If a gun manufacturer went around bragging to the media about how his guns kill police officers and isn't that awesome, I'm pretty sure he'd be in hot water legally as well.

jacknife737
01-27-2012, 11:29 PM
They say never judge a book by a cover, but anybody with "Dotcom" as their last name has got to be a dickbag.