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Isolated Fury
03-11-2012, 09:47 PM
This caught me completely off guard. I was filling my car up, and the keep-on-pumping feature (what's that called?) cancelled for some reason. It landed at this. I figured you'd all have a field day talking about it.

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EDIT: Resized.

Omni
03-12-2012, 01:49 AM
You may be entitled to compensation, I'll get back to you with some numbers.

Jojan
03-12-2012, 08:12 AM
Stupid Americans cannot do mathematics and who use "gallons".

BagOfShenanigans
03-12-2012, 09:32 AM
Stupid Americans cannot do mathematics and who use "gallons".

America likes to be different. Even if it makes no sense at all.

Isolated Fury
03-13-2012, 07:12 AM
I'm glad that post was titled "The Very Importance of Motocross Clothing." Otherwise, I'd have had no CLUE what he was trying to say.

Jojan
03-13-2012, 01:25 PM
America likes to be different. Even if it makes no sense at all.

They should at least use the metric system, as any other sane country.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Non-Metric_User.svg/940px-Non-Metric_User.svg.png
Three nations have not officially adopted the International System of Units as their primary or sole system of measurement: Myanmar (Burma), Liberia, and the United States

And maybe have a better health care system.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Life_expectancy_vs_spending_OECD.png

Little_Miss_1565
03-13-2012, 02:50 PM
Wait, why couldn't you just start the pump again? Or make another transaction?

Llamas
03-13-2012, 03:11 PM
Wait, why couldn't you just start the pump again? Or make another transaction?

The point is he pumped just under a gallon, but was charged the rounded-up price for a full gallon. Slightly rigged, surely illegal.

T-6005
03-13-2012, 04:10 PM
The point is he pumped just under a gallon, but was charged the rounded-up price for a full gallon. Slightly rigged, surely illegal.

I don't see how it's illegal. From what I know, it's common practice at gas stations to round up partial cents. Since you can't pay $3.795201 for your .999 gallon at the pump, rounding to the nearest cent, not even the next one up, is $3.80. Which is what was charged.

I'm not sure where you're getting 'illegal' from here. Representative of the way that partial cents are handled in financial systems, sure - Office Space anyone? - but hardly something to point to foul play over.

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-15-2012, 06:00 PM
I don't see Canada on Jojan's health care chart, and we're always getting praised for our health care.

T-6005
03-16-2012, 08:45 AM
I don't see Canada on Jojan's health care chart, and we're always getting praised for our health care.

So do five seconds of research and mentally place it yourself.

Canada's life expectancy is 80.7 years. (https://www.google.ca/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=life+expectancy+in+canada&oq=life+expt&aq=1s&aqi=g-s4&aql=1&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1328l2181l0l4079l9l7l0l1l1l1l212l936l2.4.1l 8l0&gs_l=hp.3.1.0i10l4.1328l2181l0l4080l9l7l0l1l1l1l21 2l936l2j4j1l8l0.cfis.1.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=9a0cc2f01bc36ec9&biw=1241&bih=584)

Health care expenditure per capita in 2010 was $5,614. (http://www.cihi.ca/CIHI-ext-portal/internet/en/Document/spending+and+health+workforce/spending/RELEASE_28OCT10)

You take that logic and it puts Canada slightly to the right of Norway.

XYlophonetreeZ
03-16-2012, 08:49 AM
I don't see Canada on Jojan's health care chart, and we're always getting praised for our health care.
It's interesting- whenever I read anything on the Internet or in publications on the subject, this is certainly the case- but whenever I hear from individual Canadians, they always complain about their health care and say they'd be better off in the US. What do you think about Canadian health care?

jacknife737
03-16-2012, 09:12 AM
It's interesting- whenever I read anything on the Internet or in publications on the subject, this is certainly the case- but whenever I hear from individual Canadians, they always complain about their health care and say they'd be better off in the US. What do you think about Canadian health care?

I find the usual sentiment among people is along the lines of "Our system sucks , but i still prefer it to the others": seems to be the case with lots of countries with versions of universal healthcare.

From purely anecdotal experiences: wait times can suck for non-life threatening injuries, but that of course depends on where/when you go. I had strep throat last year: had to wait about an hour to see a nurse and then and then about 15 more minutes to see a doctor. And then the medicine that i was prescribed cost me about $17: couldn't really complain all that much.

Edit:

I wouldn't be up in arms if we adopted a system similar to the UK with both a public and private option, but i'm not exactly lobbying for that change either.

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-16-2012, 02:35 PM
So do five seconds of research and mentally place it yourself.

Canada's life expectancy is 80.7 years. (https://www.google.ca/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=life+expectancy+in+canada&oq=life+expt&aq=1s&aqi=g-s4&aql=1&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1328l2181l0l4079l9l7l0l1l1l1l212l936l2.4.1l 8l0&gs_l=hp.3.1.0i10l4.1328l2181l0l4080l9l7l0l1l1l1l21 2l936l2j4j1l8l0.cfis.1.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=9a0cc2f01bc36ec9&biw=1241&bih=584)

Health care expenditure per capita in 2010 was $5,614. (http://www.cihi.ca/CIHI-ext-portal/internet/en/Document/spending+and+health+workforce/spending/RELEASE_28OCT10)

You take that logic and it puts Canada slightly to the right of Norway.
Thanks. Now I don't have to use up those valuable seconds. :)


It's interesting- whenever I read anything on the Internet or in publications on the subject, this is certainly the case- but whenever I hear from individual Canadians, they always complain about their health care and say they'd be better off in the US. What do you think about Canadian health care?
I'd rather not end up in an internet argument. I'll just say that it has its pros and cons, but not necessarily in a balance for me.

Llamas
03-16-2012, 03:01 PM
I'd rather not end up in an internet argument. I'll just say that it has its pros and cons, but not necessarily in a balance for me.

Do you have a horrid temper that you have to keep in check or something? I have a hard time understanding why you're incapable of having a discussion about anything regarding which you disagree with someone else. There has been no aggression or heat about health care in this thread, so why on earth do you assume that giving your opinion will create an argument?

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-16-2012, 06:28 PM
Do you have a horrid temper that you have to keep in check or something? I have a hard time understanding why you're incapable of having a discussion about anything regarding which you disagree with someone else. There has been no aggression or heat about health care in this thread, so why on earth do you assume that giving your opinion will create an argument?
Sorry. Does anyone here honestly care about my opinion on Canadian health care? If so, just let me know. Sorry for being such a pain; I'll think more before posting something like that again.

Llamas
03-16-2012, 06:48 PM
Sorry. Does anyone here honestly care about my opinion on Canadian health care? If so, just let me know. Sorry for being such a pain; I'll think more before posting something like that again.

It's just really strange to pop up in threads all the time, state that you have an opinion that's opposite to what you think everyone else's opinion is, but not give any reasoning or explanation. I'm glad you don't start nasty arguments or troll the hell out of this place with ultra-conservative opinions, but it's almost like you *want* to start something, but don't want to shoulder any blame for it.

XYlophonetreeZ
03-16-2012, 09:41 PM
^I can understand where he's coming from. It's a pain in the ass to argue online with people who mostly disagree with you, as they can be very dismissive and disrespectful of your views, especially when you're relatively new in the place.

That being said, KickHim, I'm not just interested in your views, specifically. I was addressing anyone with a knowledge of Canadian healthcare because I don't know much about it. I was interested to learn. Jacknife already gave a good response, but it's always nice to hear additional perspectives. You can PM me if you want, but I think it would be more interesting to have a discussion in the forums.

I think you've built up a reputation already for being a standup, respectful guy on here, and while all probably won't agree with you, I think all of the people who have posted in this thread thus far will at least respect your opinion. Of course, someone might prance into the thread and be a douche about it, but you shouldn't pay them any attention- because they're a douche.

Isolated Fury
03-17-2012, 07:04 AM
I think you've built up a reputation already for being a standup, respectful guy on here, and while all probably won't agree with you, I think all of the people who have posted in this thread thus far will at least respect your opinion. Of course, someone might prance into the thread and be a douche about it, but you shouldn't pay them any attention- because they're a douche.
I like this section of your post so much. I want to douse it in glitter and hang it on my refrigerator with two magnets - one that says "ROCK'N'ROLL" in shimmery red lettering and one that is a little framed picture of me and a grizzly bear high-fiving in front of a hybrid Canadian/KickHim flag (see below).

KickHim, you shouldn't worry so much, bud. People are always going to disagree with you or criticize your point of view. And with that comes two kinds of criticisms - the respectable, constructive criticism and the lolfag trolling. Like Treez said, you've already proven yourself to be a venerable member that isn't a complete retard. In the short amount of time you've been here, you've gained more appreciation than some members that have been here years longer than you. Don't be afraid to throw your opinion out there. I was actually really excited to see your side of things for this topic.

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/bahraindweller/untitled.jpg
(Not pictured: Grizzly bear and IF)

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-17-2012, 10:34 AM
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I guess it does seem like I do that a bit. I actually wasn't intending to start anything. In this case, I was actually just removing myself from the topic of Canadian health care.


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First of all, thank you for the compliments.

Secondly, I guess I'll say what I think so people don't think I'm more extreme that I am. I'm opposed to how free our health care is. This is mainly because I'm rarely ever use the health care system. I've always been really healthy. Since I'm barely affected by it, the main reason I'm opposed to it is because I end up paying for something that I'll never use.

I shouldn't complain though, because it's good to give to others. I just don't really like mandatory donations. Maybe it'll come in handy one day like insurance which seems almost useless.

Personally, I have no need for this free health care system, but if I looked at more statistics or something, I might find that it's a good thing for the nation.



http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/bahraindweller/untitled.jpg

While designing my avatar, I was too lazy to make a maple leaf from scratch, and I liked the grungy style of that flag, so that is the exact same flag that I used in a layer above the flaming skull.

Oh yeah, thank you for the kind words. If you would like to see my opinion, just read my reply to treez.

Edit: I am referring to the flag that you put under my avatar to create a hybrid flag as the flag I used to create my avatar. I am not referring to the hybrid flag as the one I used to create my avatar, because that would be impossible.

Llamas
03-17-2012, 12:07 PM
Secondly, I guess I'll say what I think so people don't think I'm more extreme that I am. I'm opposed to how free our health care is. This is mainly because I'm rarely ever use the health care system. I've always been really healthy. Since I'm barely affected by it, the main reason I'm opposed to it is because I end up paying for something that I'll never use.

Have you ever used the fire department? I haven't, yet my taxes have gone to it my entire life. I also have rarely needed the police for anything, but I'm glad they exist if I ever did. Anyone can get get sick. Is the reason you haven't needed the hospital because you've done such a good job of making sure you don't get leukemia? A lot of diseases aren't a result of living a shitty lifestyle, and you can't really prevent. A friend of a friend of mine had his eye gouged, to a point where it needed to be removed, during a friendly match of soccer once. He was a legal immigrant to the US, and my friend raised donations to try to pay for the guy's $20,000 medical bill so that the guy could go to the doctor.

Some people (like you and me) are lucky because we haven't really needed the doctor. I've only gone a few times in my life, for things like my sleep disorder, an on-going problem with my left ear, and a time I fell while running for the bus and the wounds on my knees got infected. For all of these things, I wouldn't have been able to go if I hadn't been provided with health insurance. I surely pay more through taxes for my insurance than I use, but I'm okay with that.

By the way, you say you're upset that you pay for something you don't use; so if it wasn't public in Canada, you just wouldn't have health insurance at all? If you got private insurance, you'd still be paying for something you don't use... and if you were in the US, you couldn't just wait until you got a disease, due to the "pre-existing condition" clauses. It's dangerous to go without health insurance.

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-17-2012, 03:39 PM
Have you ever used the fire department? I haven't, yet my taxes have gone to it my entire life. I also have rarely needed the police for anything, but I'm glad they exist if I ever did. Anyone can get get sick. Is the reason you haven't needed the hospital because you've done such a good job of making sure you don't get leukemia? A lot of diseases aren't a result of living a shitty lifestyle, and you can't really prevent. A friend of a friend of mine had his eye gouged, to a point where it needed to be removed, during a friendly match of soccer once. He was a legal immigrant to the US, and my friend raised donations to try to pay for the guy's $20,000 medical bill so that the guy could go to the doctor.

Some people (like you and me) are lucky because we haven't really needed the doctor. I've only gone a few times in my life, for things like my sleep disorder, an on-going problem with my left ear, and a time I fell while running for the bus and the wounds on my knees got infected. For all of these things, I wouldn't have been able to go if I hadn't been provided with health insurance. I surely pay more through taxes for my insurance than I use, but I'm okay with that.

By the way, you say you're upset that you pay for something you don't use; so if it wasn't public in Canada, you just wouldn't have health insurance at all? If you got private insurance, you'd still be paying for something you don't use... and if you were in the US, you couldn't just wait until you got a disease, due to the "pre-existing condition" clauses. It's dangerous to go without health insurance.
Good points. I guess it has its benefits and like you mentioned, I would be paying something health-care related regardless of if it was in my taxes to the government or not. I guess the socialist side of it must be what bugs me. Oh yeah, and the extremely long wait times for the odd few times I have needed a doctor.

Llamas
03-17-2012, 04:06 PM
I guess the socialist side of it must be what bugs me.
Hmm, can you elaborate on that? I hear "socialist" touted as a dirty word, but simply the fact that it's a "socialist" attribute isn't a reason that it's bad. What about the fact that it's "socialist" bugs you?


Oh yeah, and the extremely long wait times for the odd few times I have needed a doctor.
In my experience (I had private insurance in college in the US, and public insurance in Europe), it's annoying if you go to the hospital here during peak hours, because yeah you have to wait. But the awesome thing is that the hospitals are open 24/7, so I just go when it's not busy, and then I'm in and out super fast. I'm a big fan of not having to make an appointment, and just going when I have time. Is it not possible to go during non-peak hours in Canada?

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-17-2012, 06:39 PM
Hmm, can you elaborate on that? I hear "socialist" touted as a dirty word, but simply the fact that it's a "socialist" attribute isn't a reason that it's bad. What about the fact that it's "socialist" bugs you?
That's a long conversation. Brief summary: I just prefer to have less things regulated by the government. I like the independence of capitalism. The socialist bit of it bugs me just because I think the government has too much power.



Is it not possible to go during non-peak hours in Canada?
I live in a town that's grown to a population of around 25000 that doesn't even have a hospital. It actually has a "Health and Wellness Center". It have no clue what time it closes or if it does, but it's always peak hours.

Llamas
03-17-2012, 06:48 PM
That's a long conversation. Brief summary: I just prefer to have less things regulated by the government. I like the independence of capitalism. The socialist bit of it bugs me just because I think the government has too much power.
Fair enough. I agree that's a long conversation, and not appropriate for this thread. Thanks for responding.



I live in a town that's grown to a population of around 25000 that doesn't even have a hospital. It actually has a "Health and Wellness Center". It have no clue what time it closes or if it does, but it's always peak hours.
Hmm, something tells me then, that if your town did have a private hospital, it'd be really hard to get an appointment, anyway... I don't think having public health care is the reason for this.

KickHimWhenHe'sDown
03-17-2012, 06:53 PM
Fair enough. I agree that's a long conversation, and not appropriate for this thread. Thanks for responding.

No problem, thanks for listening.



Hmm, something tells me then, that if your town did have a private hospital, it'd be really hard to get an appointment, anyway... I don't think having public health care is the reason for this.
I suppose. I'll just keep trying not to get sick or hurt myself so I don't have to think about it :D

Edit: That sounded rude. I did read what you had to say and thought about it. I don't really disagree either.

XYlophonetreeZ
03-18-2012, 01:09 AM
Thanks for replying, KickHim.

My view is mostly in line with llamas', and I often point to the police and fire departments as well- which have always been "socialized."

The one thing I have to point out is that when people say "grumble grumble Obamacare grumble grumble SOCIALISM," is that having socialized healthcare- and Obama's plan isn't even 100% socialized, nor is it entirely Obama's plan- does not make the US, or Canada, a socialist country. My personal view is that while I haven't had very many reasons to spend my own money on healthcare personally either, I certainly could at anytime, and almost surely will when I get older. I also can't think of many better destinations for my tax dollars than making sure people aren't denied health care.

I've heard the bit about the long lines that jacknife mentioned, though, and understand it's even worse in Germany. I'm not sure whether we'd necessarily see that under "Obamacare," but if long lines simply mean that treatment is prioritized by urgency rather than by someone's economic class, then I'm all for 'em.

Llamas
03-18-2012, 07:04 AM
Thanks for replying, KickHim.

My view is mostly in line with llamas', and I often point to the police and fire departments as well- which have always been "socialized."

The one thing I have to point out is that when people say "grumble grumble Obamacare grumble grumble SOCIALISM," is that having socialized healthcare- and Obama's plan isn't even 100% socialized, nor is it entirely Obama's plan- does not make the US, or Canada, a socialist country. My personal view is that while I haven't had very many reasons to spend my own money on healthcare personally either, I certainly could at anytime, and almost surely will when I get older. I also can't think of many better destinations for my tax dollars than making sure people aren't denied health care.
I'm in agreement with this, and furthermore, I don't think socialism is a bad thing. I don't think it's any worse than any version of capitalism that exists in the world. Ultimately, I think the best system is a healthy balance between socialism and capitalism, kinda like how it's done in some Nordic countries.


I've heard the bit about the long lines that jacknife mentioned, though, and understand it's even worse in Germany. I'm not sure whether we'd necessarily see that under "Obamacare," but if long lines simply mean that treatment is prioritized by urgency rather than by someone's economic class, then I'm all for 'em.
I dunno if it's really different in Germany than it is in Czech, but I went to the dr twice in Czech and barely had to wait. The first time, I went around 9pm and waited about 20-30 minutes to get in. The second time, I went to the ENT during the day and waited even less time - about 10 minutes. I'm sure you have to wait a lot longer if you need to see a GP or something in the middle of the day, but still... I don't know anyone there who had to wait more than an hour to get in.