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UgLy_eLf
02-18-2005, 09:49 PM
I've read countless threads about Marxism and Anarchism in the Politics section, now to question the minds of those who truly believe in the idealogy of Anarchism.... How would you organize it? If you were to purchase an island, etc.. (I don't know where to go from this point, that's why I'm asking those who know Anarchy inside out.)

intothevalleyofdeath
02-18-2005, 09:50 PM
organizing an anarchy is an oxymoron...kinda like cocktail (think about it)

UgLy_eLf
02-18-2005, 09:52 PM
Uh no, you can't just throw people on an island and say, live, there's organization behind it.

intothevalleyofdeath
02-18-2005, 09:55 PM
but the term anarchy refers to NO organization

UgLy_eLf
02-18-2005, 09:59 PM
I tend to clump Anarchy and Anarchism together, the idealogy goes far beyond "No rules, no organization, whoopi do what you want." I'm asking how would people establish a civilization based on anarchism; Jobs? Trading/A barter system? etc.

intothevalleyofdeath
02-18-2005, 10:04 PM
theres no way...anarchy wouldnt work

UgLy_eLf
02-18-2005, 10:06 PM
It worked in Spain for several years until a Dictator took control because their society didn't have a military.

Moose
02-18-2005, 10:08 PM
anarchy is an idea which can never exist. even in its smallest form there is always a ruler and a person who is ruled...as small as a guitar teacher ruling over a student...thats just how it works. it isnt something necessarily bad, the student wants to and/or needs to learn from the teacher, but must submit him or herself to the teacher...outside of the teachings, he is no longer ruled by the teacher, but still the student will go on to be ruled by something or someone else, even though it doesnt even seem like it. thats just the way it works.

intothevalleyofdeath
02-18-2005, 10:08 PM
exactly...a dictator had to take over, theres no way it would work for an extended period of time

SkunkIt
02-18-2005, 10:42 PM
I've read countless threads about Marxism and Anarchism in the Politics section, now to question the minds of those who truly believe in the idealogy of Anarchism.... How would you organize it? If you were to purchase an island, etc.. (I don't know where to go from this point, that's why I'm asking those who know Anarchy inside out.)

Now if we can only find a rich person.

RXP
02-19-2005, 02:03 AM
but the term anarchy refers to NO organization

No it refers to lack of a Soverign.

Vera
02-19-2005, 03:42 AM
I'd pump up the volume on Smash and rock it all night long.

RXP
02-19-2005, 03:43 AM
Surely, It'll be a long time "in a world without leaders"

wheelchairman
02-19-2005, 04:33 AM
anarchy is an idea which can never exist. even in its smallest form there is always a ruler and a person who is ruled...as small as a guitar teacher ruling over a student...thats just how it works. it isnt something necessarily bad, the student wants to and/or needs to learn from the teacher, but must submit him or herself to the teacher...outside of the teachings, he is no longer ruled by the teacher, but still the student will go on to be ruled by something or someone else, even though it doesnt even seem like it. thats just the way it works.

Since when were teachers rulers in our society? I think you should ignore the ignorant crap that comes out of your PolSci Prof's mouth.

Anarchy will never happen from simply purchasing an island. Well it could, but that's generally not the plan. Along those lines, once could argue that Squatting, could lead to anarchism. But I wouldn't argue that.

The general idea is that a revolution would bring anarchism about. The Zapatista's in Mexico are a good example of this, and kind of put to shame whatever Moose choses to believe about anarchism not existing and being impossible.

NOAMR
02-19-2005, 05:02 AM
The different with the ruling in this society and the thing you call ruling in anarchism, is that in anarchism, no-one oppress others. The teacher knows more, so he tell it to the students, but they don't oppress them to have certain ideas. It could also be possible that there is need some kind of organisation, administration who get some things together, but he don't say that others HAVE TO do certain things. I think, how anarchism would work the best economelly, is by Kropotkins model(dunno, I think they call it Anarcho-Communism). Everyone is free to work, there is no money or something, you don't earn a thing, but you are also free to take what you need from the labor. Cuz if you work with money or trade, it's always the one who can make more, or has a 'special gift'(he's good in something or likes something not many persons are good in/like), who will have more. There is no concurrential shit, and there also isn't someone who say like, everyone should earn this same amount of money, cuz he's a ruler than(that's the problem with communism). And if you think people woul be lazy and not work at all, first off all, well, they will have to work, otherwise they don't have what they want, and second, Kropotkin says that people aren't lazy, they're full of energy, but this system, where you have to do alot of unnessesary things, creates lazyness.

SicN Twisted
02-19-2005, 01:31 PM
Anarchy is easy, all we need to do is shave our heads into mohawks, drink cheap beer, and kick over trash cans.

Seriously, an anarchist society is expected when the working class stages a social revolution and usurpes power from their leaders, dismantling the State and replacing it with democratic trade syndicates. This is a system that cannot be implimented through voting polls - it requires a violent revolution for and by the people.

Moose, you're a moron. If someone's a teacher it isn't mean then have power, it means they're being called into service because of their knowledge of the subject, and the students trust him to share their knowledge. This is social contract, no rulers here. I'd say to all those who say anarchy could never work that nothing but anarchy could ever work. Capitalism most definately doesn't work, authoritarian socialism proved itself not to work, monarchs couldn't even create a fair and equal society, and they ruled by Divine Right!