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bighead384
11-14-2012, 08:12 AM
I just plain hate working. There I said it. It totally sucks. It leads me to wonder how much I can't stand work compared to other people. Sometimes I think I just can't deal with the fact that I'm going to have to work my whole life. I think if I just had more time off, I'd be more productive during the times I do work. I think the average work week should be 35 hours a week, that would be a good start. Would the economy just shrivel up instantly if we did that? I'm not sure I'd care too much, as long as I didn't have to work as much. I just can't accept the fact that such a large chunk of my existence is dedicated to doing something that SUCKS.

Have you ever just thought of how intensely you'd enjoy the next few hours if you just walked out of work?

RageAndLov
11-14-2012, 08:17 AM
You are young and most likely have a job which doesn't need any specifications or education. Like a job in a fast food joint, a supermarket, etc. Those jobs are never fun. However if you get an education in something you are interested in and get a job relevant to that education, you may find a job which you think is actually fun, or at least interesting enough.

Oh, by the way, the average work week here is 37,5 hours. How much higher is it where you live? EDIT: This is maybe something that differs between the states of the US?

Harleyquiiinn
11-14-2012, 08:43 AM
I just plain hate working. There I said it. It totally sucks. It leads me to wonder how much I can't stand work compared to other people. Sometimes I think I just can't deal with the fact that I'm going to have to work my whole life. I think if I just had more time off, I'd be more productive during the times I do work. I think the average work week should be 35 hours a week, that would be a good start. Would the economy just shrivel up instantly if we did that? I'm not sure I'd care too much, as long as I didn't have to work as much. I just can't accept the fact that such a large chunk of my existence is dedicated to doing something that SUCKS.

Have you ever just thought of how intensely you'd enjoy the next few hours if you just walked out of work?

Come to France \o/

35 hours/week is normal since 2001.

The right wing will tell you how much our ecnonmy suffered because of it but didn't bother to change it during the 10 years they were on the government.

The left will tell you that it is better to share and that it created employement.

People will tell you that the "35 hours" were a terrible idea for the economy but will never give up their free friday afternoons. (yes, because it works this way : most people work more than 35 hours a week but they get back the overtime with freetime).

The truth might be between the 2 but the nation didn't collapse and it is proven that it created some jobs but less that what was predicted.

Now, unfortunately, I am not an under contract worker, which means that the 35 hours rule doesn't apply to me qo I totally understand your feeling. Just this lunch, I was saying to my friend how I'd like to ditch work sometime. Just like when I was a student.

Usually, at my 8th hour, I just want to say "fuck it" and leave.

Instead, I come here and post stuff. Or 9gag. So it's pretty unproductive.

MOTO13
11-14-2012, 10:39 AM
Fuck France. Be a good hard working American and get your ass to work actually being productive. This country wasn't built by little bitches who work 35 hours a friggin week. Get used to it. This is the problem with America...the work ethic is for shit any longer.

Harleyquiiinn
11-14-2012, 10:47 AM
Fuck France. Be a good hard working American and get your ass to work actually being productive. This country wasn't built by little bitches who work 35 hours a friggin week. Get used to it. This is the problem with America...the work ethic is for shit any longer.


No, it was built by the wealth created by unpaid workers, who surely did work more than 35 hours per week, whipped and usually black. :D

Disclaimer : not entirely serious and it's not like I don't know that Europe used slavery as well.

RageAndLov
11-14-2012, 10:48 AM
Fuck France. Be a good hard working American and get your ass to work actually being productive. This country wasn't built by little bitches who work 35 hours a friggin week. Get used to it. This is the problem with America...the work ethic is for shit any longer.

This must be because of fewer and fewer Christians in the country, right? As the Protestants have great work ethic (work hard in this life, get reward in heaven), the current infestation of Muslims and lazy Mexicans who come to the US to steal the jobs are ruining the country, right? Not to mention more and more in the US are converting to atheism. Atheists have not the same work ethics as Christians because they don't think there is a heaven or hell after life. Plus they are socialists who only rely on the state and sits around all day smoking weed.

This is what you get after four years of Obama, and now the US is doomed with another four years with him. I mean is he really a citizen of the USA? Did they figure out if his birth certificate were real? What the US needs now is someone to bring back the real American values - the ones that made the US the best country in the world today, but which are forsaken by the government.

_Lost_
11-14-2012, 11:24 AM
RageAndLov, that post is awesome.

Chainsaw
11-14-2012, 12:13 PM
There's always the option of not working. Hobo it up!

bighead384
11-14-2012, 12:29 PM
I've heard hippies speak of living in a more minimalistic way in order to work less. I'm kinda of curious how this works out for them. I should try to track down a book on this subject.

I think the social stigma of leading such an unusual life would be annoying. Not sure I could get used to having very little technology either.

Anyone ever heard of this guy? He's an Anarcho-primitivist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zerzan

He's a total hippy, but it's interesting anyway.

MOTO13
11-14-2012, 12:55 PM
What people need to do is quit trying to invent ways to not do a god damn thing. Obama is making you people soft.

_Lost_
11-14-2012, 12:55 PM
I actually like working. Largely because my various hobbies get expensive and the ultimate reward of a paycheck makes it worth my time. I usually have two jobs at any given point. Both part time, but usually adding up to 60 or so hours a week. Then, there are the hobbies. Right now, its airbrushing, both makeup and paint.

bighead384
11-14-2012, 12:58 PM
What people need to do is quit trying to invent ways to not do a god damn thing. Obama is making you people soft.

That's bullshit. People like to do things that are fulfilling, not just simply work. I think people should be doing something, just not under conditions that suck.

Little_Miss_1565
11-14-2012, 01:01 PM
If you think you're above a certain type of work, get a better job. If you can't get a better job, you should probably figure out how to take pride in the job you have.

bighead384
11-14-2012, 01:10 PM
I prefer partying to working. I'm the Luis Mendoza of partying.

MOTO13
11-14-2012, 01:15 PM
That's bullshit. People like to do things that are fulfilling, not just simply work. I think people should be doing something, just not under conditions that suck.

People do things they dislike everyday of the week. You think your any better than anyone else?

What are you qualified to do?

Llamas
11-14-2012, 04:12 PM
I actually love the shit out of my job, and often have an, "I can't believe I get paid to do this" attitude toward it. Right now, I teach 24 hours a week - these are "teaching hours", which throughout the world means 45 minutes each. So in reality, I teach 18 full hours a week. However, with preparing lessons, editing texts, preparing websites for my students, and transit time to get from location to location (I teach several students at their homes, so I'm in transit between lessons), I work more than 40 hours a week. I have no qualms with this - I'm out and working for about 8-9 hours a day, I have 8 hours for myself, and then I get 7-8 hours of sleep during the week... and then I have weekends for myself. I hated working when I worked my previous jobs, though - cashier at Target, server at Perkins, a couple pizza places... all shit. But I found what I love doing and while it's hard work and very challenging, it's rewarding enough that I enjoy it. I think that's the key.


Oh, by the way, the average work week here is 37,5 hours. How much higher is it where you live? EDIT: This is maybe something that differs between the states of the US?

Yeah, nowadays the working class works more than 40 hours a week in the US. Most of my friends and family there work 50-60 hours a week, make less than the average income, and have no time for their families.


This must be because of fewer and fewer Christians in the country, right? As the Protestants have great work ethic (work hard in this life, get reward in heaven), the current infestation of Muslims and lazy Mexicans who come to the US to steal the jobs are ruining the country, right? Not to mention more and more in the US are converting to atheism. Atheists have not the same work ethics as Christians because they don't think there is a heaven or hell after life. Plus they are socialists who only rely on the state and sits around all day smoking weed.

This is what you get after four years of Obama, and now the US is doomed with another four years with him. I mean is he really a citizen of the USA? Did they figure out if his birth certificate were real? What the US needs now is someone to bring back the real American values - the ones that made the US the best country in the world today, but which are forsaken by the government.

You just won my heart. Hard.

AllIn All It's Not So Bad
11-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Are you sure you're not black, bighead?

Godxilla
11-14-2012, 05:57 PM
Bighead: I beseech you to google "The Cave Man Principle," get a normal job, and then get back to me.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-14-2012, 06:45 PM
Bighead, you shouldn't think you have it so bad. My work at a grocery store the last two years has led to ligament tears in my wrists and surgical repair on the left over the summer, which led to cubital tunnel syndrome in my elbows and my inability to play guitar anymore, chondromalacia in my knees, and routinely almost getting nailed by cars not using their turn signals at the major intersection across the street. I haven't even mentioned the fact that I cram college, studying, scheduling doctors appointments around the most erratic work schedule ever, and work itself into all this. I have mad evasion skills, so I haven't been vehicle-struck, yet.
So, before thinking you have it so bad, just remember that there are people out there who are suffering more than just a disdain for working.

WebDudette
11-14-2012, 07:09 PM
I get what you're saying, but that's not how being unhappy and unsatisfied works.

Baldwin
11-15-2012, 07:14 AM
I don't get what she's saying. He shouldn't whine about a job at pizza hut because some poor folks are out there working at grocery stores? We're supposed to feel sorry for her because she's somehow inept enough to get injured stacking shelves? Balls. A trained monkey could do her job.

Bighead, if you're not willing to actually find a job you'd like better, then you should take a temporary job you know will be harsher than fuck. Take a few weeks off and sign on for some real man's work, and after that making pizzas will suddenly feel like you're getting paid for slacking off and relaxing.

Harleyquiiinn
11-15-2012, 07:30 AM
So, before thinking you have it so bad, just remember that there are people out there who are suffering more than just a disdain for working.

I really don't understand this.

There will always be people who have it worst than you do. Does that mean that nobody has the right to complain except the guy who has it the worst in the world ? I get that your situation was difficult, I really do, and I feel sorry for you but i don't think it is a reason to tell people they shouldn't complain.

Personally, I see that I am lucky enough to work, most of the time, in a warm office behind a computer and not outside, cleaning streets in the cold all day. But sometimes, my work sucks and I feel the need to complain. And it has nothing to do with others.

It isn't a competition anyway...

bighead384
11-15-2012, 08:25 AM
Bighead, if you're not willing to actually find a job you'd like better, then you should take a temporary job you know will be harsher than fuck. Take a few weeks off and sign on for some real man's work, and after that making pizzas will suddenly feel like you're getting paid for slacking off and relaxing.

All your answers seem to revolve around doing more work. Whether it's this, or making fun of someone for not knowing as much about history as you. Well guess what Sin Studly: I don't feel like it.

Hey Sin Studly, what do you think about John Zerzan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zerzan

He's a huge hippy, and is critical of Noam Chomsky. But just looking at him, he was born to be a hippy.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-15-2012, 08:37 AM
It isn't a competition anyway...

Who ever said it was a competition?

bighead384
11-15-2012, 08:44 AM
Who ever said it was a competition?

I'm guessing you have Baldwin blocked, because he just clowned you.

Baldwin
11-15-2012, 09:26 AM
Hey Sin Studly, what do you think about John Zerzan:

I think he's an idiot. What he proposes is fine for very small minority, as a lifestyle choice, but you can't run the world like that because little tribes of hunter/gatherers can't defend themselves against a gang of assholes with guns.

If you really want to go the self-sufficient fringe-living route, you'd better start planning it, and saving for it. Where can you set up without being evicted? Will you have to buy a parcel of empty land, or will you try to keep yourself mobile enough to relocate whenever the authorities notice you? Land with access to potable water runs steep, so what are you going to do about water? How much money will you need saved up for unavoidable expenses like food, ammunition, medicine? Can you hunt, can you fish, can you farm, can you sew damaged clothing? Know any first-aid, know how to purify water, know how to preserve meat? Can you find a way of earning a little cash from seasonal work when and if you need it?

If you think a week of factory work is "too much effort", I'm pretty sure you're not cut out to survive off the land. But if it's what you truly want to do, the hard work involved won't seem so hard. It never does, when you're doing something you care about. But if you think this is a viable way of sitting on your ass and lazing around, you really haven't thought this through.

Alison
11-15-2012, 10:50 AM
I've been trying for months to find ANY sort of job. As much as I'd probably complain about it, I think I'd prefer it to sitting on my ass every day.

Llamas
11-15-2012, 12:26 PM
Bighead, you shouldn't think you have it so bad. My work at a grocery store the last two years has led to ligament tears in my wrists and surgical repair on the left over the summer, which led to cubital tunnel syndrome in my elbows and my inability to play guitar anymore, chondromalacia in my knees, and routinely almost getting nailed by cars not using their turn signals at the major intersection across the street. I haven't even mentioned the fact that I cram college, studying, scheduling doctors appointments around the most erratic work schedule ever, and work itself into all this. I have mad evasion skills, so I haven't been vehicle-struck, yet.
So, before thinking you have it so bad, just remember that there are people out there who are suffering more than just a disdain for working.

This... this is a joke, right? Right?? Not only is this a prime example of, "There are people who have it worse than you so you obviously don't have it bad," but it's also such a first-world problem. Awwww man, I'm getting higher education (which most people in the world can't even dream of) while working in a heated place where I'm highly unlikely to break bones, lose limbs, or suffer deep wounds that get infected (which most people in the world can't even dream of), and I CAN'T PLAY MY GUITAR ANYMORE (which most people in the world can't even dream of owning a guitar)." This comes off as soooooo ridiculously spoiled and self-victimizing. Also, how is working in a grocery store so much worse than working in a pizza place? I mean, really? Hey, I can say I have it worse because my boss is trying to deduct money from my paycheck because he's too cheap to buy new books for his company, and he's also repeatedly refusing to pay me until weeks after my paycheck was due. Since I am 100% independent and get exactly zero money from anyone (including my parents, and the fact that I live in a abroad and can't use any social benefits), waiting weeks to get paid puts me in situations where I get eviction threats and find myself stressing when I'm down to the last 20 euros to my name. Do I get to say I have it worse? Do I have a right to complain? Is that really for YOU to decide?

nieh
11-15-2012, 01:22 PM
Ever time I read the title of this thread, I get a Mr. T Experience song stuck in my head.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc3dAudEUZk

_Lost_
11-15-2012, 03:10 PM
I work in a grocery store. Its fine. The ineptitude of my coworkers is my main grievance... That and that I hardly ever get enough hours.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-15-2012, 05:09 PM
This... this is a joke, right? Right?? Not only is this a prime example of, "There are people who have it worse than you so you obviously don't have it bad," but it's also such a first-world problem. Awwww man, I'm getting higher education (which most people in the world can't even dream of) while working in a heated place where I'm highly unlikely to break bones, lose limbs, or suffer deep wounds that get infected (which most people in the world can't even dream of), and I CAN'T PLAY MY GUITAR ANYMORE (which most people in the world can't even dream of owning a guitar)." This comes off as soooooo ridiculously spoiled and self-victimizing. Also, how is working in a grocery store so much worse than working in a pizza place? I mean, really? Hey, I can say I have it worse because my boss is trying to deduct money from my paycheck because he's too cheap to buy new books for his company, and he's also repeatedly refusing to pay me until weeks after my paycheck was due. Since I am 100% independent and get exactly zero money from anyone (including my parents, and the fact that I live in a abroad and can't use any social benefits), waiting weeks to get paid puts me in situations where I get eviction threats and find myself stressing when I'm down to the last 20 euros to my name. Do I get to say I have it worse? Do I have a right to complain? Is that really for YOU to decide?

I never said other people don't have it bad. But I was out of work with the injury for a year and could barely afford to feed myself and lost weight. I chose not to mention some things because...why? I have never complained about this before. You don't get to decide what I think, so stop trying. I don't care if most people can't play a guitar. I used it as a coping mechanism for stress and it was one of my biggest passions, so don't belittle the fact that I can't play anymore. Just because I mention how injured I got from working, I'm automatically self-victimizing? And why is it that bighead can complain about work but I can't? You are being a hypocrite. You are treating me exactly how you claim I am treating bighead.

bornlie
11-15-2012, 05:10 PM
This... this is a joke, right? Right?? Not only is this a prime example of, "There are people who have it worse than you so you obviously don't have it bad," but it's also such a first-world problem. Awwww man, I'm getting higher education (which most people in the world can't even dream of) while working in a heated place where I'm highly unlikely to break bones, lose limbs, or suffer deep wounds that get infected (which most people in the world can't even dream of), and I CAN'T PLAY MY GUITAR ANYMORE (which most people in the world can't even dream of owning a guitar)." This comes off as soooooo ridiculously spoiled and self-victimizing. Also, how is working in a grocery store so much worse than working in a pizza place? I mean, really? Hey, I can say I have it worse because my boss is trying to deduct money from my paycheck because he's too cheap to buy new books for his company, and he's also repeatedly refusing to pay me until weeks after my paycheck was due. Since I am 100% independent and get exactly zero money from anyone (including my parents, and the fact that I live in a abroad and can't use any social benefits), waiting weeks to get paid puts me in situations where I get eviction threats and find myself stressing when I'm down to the last 20 euros to my name. Do I get to say I have it worse? Do I have a right to complain? Is that really for YOU to decide?

hey now. Why are you jumping down her throat. Stop blaming everyone for having a crappy time with your paycheck and your boss. Take it up with the correct officials. By the way, grocery store jobs are pretty horrible. The pay does not even compensate for having to deal with rude angry people all day, not to mention there is no real job security or benefits.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-15-2012, 05:12 PM
hey now. Why are you jumping down her throat. Stop blaming everyone for having a crappy time with your paycheck and your boss. Take it up with the correct officials. By the way, grocery store jobs are pretty horrible. The pay does not even compensate for having to deal with rude angry people all day, not to mention there is no real job security or benefits.

You are absolutely right. It's a thankless job and your boss never cares how much good you do for the company, they don't give a shit how much pain you are in, they always have negative things to say and they hold it against you any time you don't cover someone's shift or agree to come in early or stay late. Not to mention you barely ever get a raise and they don't really care to give you enough time or days off to study and its a bitch to request off for doctor's appointments and other important events. I almost didn't get to go to my friend's memorial service because they wouldn't give me off that day.

Llamas
11-15-2012, 05:33 PM
I never said other people don't have it bad. But I was out of work with the injury for a year and could barely afford to feed myself and lost weight. I chose not to mention some things because...why? I have never complained about this before. You don't get to decide what I think, so stop trying. I don't care if most people can't play a guitar. I used it as a coping mechanism for stress and it was one of my biggest passions, so don't belittle the fact that I can't play anymore. Just because I mention how injured I got from working, I'm automatically self-victimizing? And why is it that bighead can complain about work but I can't? You are being a hypocrite. You are treating me exactly how you claim I am treating bighead.

You told bighead "you shouldn't think you have it so bad", and then went on to explain why you supposedly have it "worse". If you left things out, what makes you think he didn't, as well? And that I didn't? I didn't say nobody can complain about work. In fact, I said everyone can complain about work, but it's ridiculous to tell someone they "shouldn't think" they "have it so bad" because you think you have it worse. Hell, Bighead wasn't even complaining about his job; he was complaining about not liking work of any kind and just wanting to do nothing, Office Space style. I'm not standing up for him cause it was stupid as fuck, but your response wasn't even really related to the original post and instead went into why your situation is worse than his.


hey now. Why are you jumping down her throat. Stop blaming everyone for having a crappy time with your paycheck and your boss. Take it up with the correct officials. By the way, grocery store jobs are pretty horrible. The pay does not even compensate for having to deal with rude angry people all day, not to mention there is no real job security or benefits.
Neither of you can read. I wasn't complaining. I was saying that we ALL have problems with work and it's ALL subjective; it's ridiculous to say you have it worse than someone else. I don't think I have it worse than anyone else, personally. And by the way, I've worked at Target, sales floor, stocking the grocery section. So yes, I know what it's like.


You are absolutely right. It's a thankless job and your boss never cares how much good you do for the company, they don't give a shit how much pain you are in, they always have negative things to say and they hold it against you any time you don't cover someone's shift or agree to come in early or stay late. Not to mention you barely ever get a raise and they don't really care to give you enough time or days off to study and its a bitch to request off for doctor's appointments and other important events. I almost didn't get to go to my friend's memorial service because they wouldn't give me off that day.
Bosses in general don't care how well you do, nor do they care about your well-being, nor do they ever have anything good to say to employees. God, you think that's exclusive to grocery stores? Lol. Bosses in general avoid giving raises at every angle. My boss tried to call my colleague's dentist to reschedule her wisdom tooth appointment during her holiday so she wouldn't have to miss any work. I don't work at a grocery store; I work for a private language agency. The point is, working in a grocery store is NOT worse than other jobs. The stuff you're complaining about is extremely common, and it's shit pretty much everyone who has a job deals with. Jesus christ...

mdillinger
11-16-2012, 05:45 AM
I own my own company so I get to work from home. My job has it's pros and cons. I get to work from home, but it's pretty lonely. I miss having female co-workers to banter with for one.

Harleyquiiinn
11-16-2012, 09:22 AM
My boss tried to call my colleague's dentist to reschedule her wisdom tooth appointment during her holiday so she wouldn't have to miss any work.

Ah ah :D That's one good boss you have here !

Anyway, Melyssa, you said it was a competition by saying that Bighead shouldn't complain because you were having it worst.

By the way, it's a student job so it's supposed to be crappy :D If it was a great job, it wouldn't be given to students. Never forget, when you are young, you are at the end of the food chain.

What sucks is when you stay there.

(ok, I say that but I actually had 2 amazing jobs when I was a student. One in a theater, that was hard, but I got to see tones of different plays, so it was great. The second one was in a school with kids who had problems reading. Great as well, except that kids have a tendancy to run towards you to give hugs, and they are full of germs, so I ended up being always sick for 6 months. Still, it was great. But yeah, I was the exception. Everybody else's job sucked).

samseby
11-16-2012, 10:06 AM
Love working - I like what I do, I like the company I work for, the colleagues are nice and the bosses always treat us respectful and kind. BTW bosses in general don't owe employees/workers nice words or any kind of gratitude and as far as I'm concerned bosses can expect their staff doing its best every single moment at work, can't they? - It's what one gets paid for.
And if one doesn't like ones job, well I'm pretty sure there's tons of people out there that would gladly take it.

Edit:
Besides what else would I do the whole day if not work? Chill ... How dull and yeah, a great concept without any money.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-16-2012, 10:25 AM
I'm guessing you have Baldwin blocked, because he just clowned you.

No, I just don't care what he says. He assumes what my job is and disregards any predispositions, so why bother replying?

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-16-2012, 10:28 AM
Anyway, Melyssa, you said it was a competition by saying that Bighead shouldn't complain because you were having it worst.

How the hell does that mean I said it was a competition? I guess no one got the point I was making, which was simply not liking your job doesn't mean you have to bitch about it. Most people don't like their jobs, so it's not that unusual. Instead, everyone decided to focus on the fact that I said being injured is worse than not liking your job, and they ran away with it and warped it.

Harleyquiiinn
11-16-2012, 10:41 AM
How the hell does that mean I said it was a competition? I guess no one got the point I was making, which was simply not liking your job doesn't mean you have to bitch about it. Most people don't like their jobs, so it's not that unusual. Instead, everyone decided to focus on the fact that I said being injured is worse than not liking your job, and they ran away with it and warped it.

You are right about one thing, I totally didn't read that in your first post.

What you are saying now is very different.

But I don't agree either :D Personnally, complaining helps me bear some difficult situations.

Also, I don't think anybody focused on you saying being injured is worse than hating your job. It is worse. Nobody can deny that. I think that what llamas and me were saying is just that you shouldn't say that, just because some people have worse jobs than Bighead, he shouldn't complain. But as you said, it's not what you meant so it is all fine.

Anyway, I don't know what the law is where you live, but here, when you get injured at your job, your employer and social security have to cover your expenses and treatment. If the injuries are permanent, you also get damages. Did you get any of that ?

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-16-2012, 10:54 AM
Anyway, I don't know what the law is where you live, but here, when you get injured at your job, your employer and social security have to cover your expenses and treatment. If the injuries are permanent, you also get damages. Did you get any of that ?

I've been dealing with worker's comp for a year and I have a court hearing at the end of the month to get a final decision on whether this is legally considered a work-related injury. I'm going to need surgery on my right wrist soon. It's such a pain in the ass. I won't be working there much longer because it isn't worth killing myself over.
Lesson to anyone: file an injury report as soon as you suspect work has caused an issue. Don't be afraid of ruffling feathers and wait until you can't work anymore to do it.

prettyflyforablackchick
11-16-2012, 01:02 PM
I get what you're saying, but that's not how being unhappy and unsatisfied works.

I agree, everyone's problems are relative to their own experiences, and it's a little unfair to minimize someone else's troubles just because yours were/are worse. I have kind of an issue with the way #firstworldproblems is used sometimes for that reason (although most of the time, I find it really funny :D).

RageAndLov
11-17-2012, 08:43 AM
Love working - I like what I do, I like the company I work for, the colleagues are nice and the bosses always treat us respectful and kind. BTW bosses in general don't owe employees/workers nice words or any kind of gratitude and as far as I'm concerned bosses can expect their staff doing its best every single moment at work, can't they? - It's what one gets paid for.
And if one doesn't like ones job, well I'm pretty sure there's tons of people out there that would gladly take it.

Edit:
Besides what else would I do the whole day if not work? Chill ... How dull and yeah, a great concept without any money.

What do you do?

_Lost_
11-17-2012, 10:01 AM
Anyway, I don't know what the law is where you live, but here, when you get injured at your job, your employer and social security have to cover your expenses and treatment. If the injuries are permanent, you also get damages. Did you get any of that ?
This is true in the U.S. as well, but you have to report an injury as soon as you suspect it. Even if you only wait until the next day, it can be enough for the company involved to say "How can we know it happened at work when you didn't report it as soon as it happened?" This happened with my husband a couple years ago. He pulled a muscle in his abdomen at work one day, but didn't report it right away because it didn't start really hurting until that night and was out of work for a month. Because he didn't report it when it happened, they didn't treat it like a work related injury because there was no proof it happened AT work and we were SOL. They do what they can to avoid paying workers comp where ever possible.

Paint_It_Black
11-22-2012, 09:27 PM
I started this thread really relating to what bighead was saying, but then he predictably refused to even consider the legitimately good advice Justin offered and I lost interest.

Working a shitty job you don't care about is pretty terrible after a while. But if you can't or won't aspire to better then temporarily doing something worse really is tremendously good advice. Everyone should work a truly awful job early in their life to put things in a better perspective and do it again if the lesson fades with time. Not to build character or anything like that but because it honestly makes you happier.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-22-2012, 10:30 PM
This is true in the U.S. as well, but you have to report an injury as soon as you suspect it. Even if you only wait until the next day, it can be enough for the company involved to say "How can we know it happened at work when you didn't report it as soon as it happened?" This happened with my husband a couple years ago. He pulled a muscle in his abdomen at work one day, but didn't report it right away because it didn't start really hurting until that night and was out of work for a month. Because he didn't report it when it happened, they didn't treat it like a work related injury because there was no proof it happened AT work and we were SOL. They do what they can to avoid paying workers comp where ever possible.

My doctor's professional medical opinion is that this is mostly a work-related repetitive stress injury. It started out as a nagging pain and it took many, many months to get to the point where I was in tremendous pain all the time. I could not even be sure myself that it was work that was causing it, though I was pretty sure. I did physical therapy, which helped for a while. So, this may all mean I get nothing, even though my wrists got a bit better in the months after I stopped working. Sadly, my appointed judge used to work for an insurance company and I was advised that he is more pro-employer. This will not bode well for when I need the surgery on my right wrist.
Sorry you and your husband were not treated fairly.

RageAndLov
11-23-2012, 10:10 AM
Working a shitty job you don't care about is pretty terrible after a while. But if you can't or won't aspire to better then temporarily doing something worse really is tremendously good advice. Everyone should work a truly awful job early in their life to put things in a better perspective and do it again if the lesson fades with time. Not to build character or anything like that but because it honestly makes you happier.

I think many have experienced this if they worked before they were 18. You aren't qualified to do shit, so you get worst jobs, and since you are under 18, you can do the same job as the adults but get paid less. I hated the job I had when I was under 18. The one I got now during holidays (I attend uni otherwise) is not great, it's okay, but the pay is pretty good.

Duskygrin
11-26-2012, 11:58 AM
Work of any kind aleniates man from his essence, and enslaves him.

Godxilla
11-26-2012, 03:29 PM
Work of any kind aleniates man from his essence, and enslaves him.

Not true.
I beseech you to look up the Cave Man Theory. It states that work is part of humankind, dating back to the Stone Age. It also states that humans can find pleasure in work, finished or unfinished. Man's essence is in work.

And humans are the only species ON EARTH that bitch about work.

samseby
11-27-2012, 07:34 AM
What do you do?

I work in the sales department ...

Duskygrin
11-27-2012, 11:44 AM
Not true.
I beseech you to look up the Cave Man Theory. It states that work is part of humankind, dating back to the Stone Age. It also states that humans can find pleasure in work, finished or unfinished. Man's essence is in work.

And humans are the only species ON EARTH that bitch about work.

Yes, but, no. There's a reason it's called a "theory" - to me it doesnt prove anything, save that there is an evident paradox... which it would take yonks to resolve. Just another of those mysteries surrounding mankind.

As a footnote, I would add that pleasure is immaterial. Man may very well find pleasure in pain.

Godxilla
11-27-2012, 12:13 PM
Yes, but, no. There's a reason it's called a "theory" - to me it doesnt prove anything, save that there is an evident paradox... which it would take yonks to resolve. Just another of those mysteries surrounding mankind.

As a footnote, I would add that pleasure is immaterial. Man may very well find pleasure in pain.

Hmm... I get your point. But the theory of relativity is just a theory too. Spend some time in the Sirius Galaxy, and we might just prove it wrong. So, any theory could be nothing more than just that.

And man can find pleasure in anything I guess. Some people find pleasure in murder. So surely they can find pleasure in work.

Llamas
11-27-2012, 06:30 PM
And humans are the only species ON EARTH that bitch about work.

What a dumb thing to say. Humans are also the only species on earth that give thanks for anything. The only species that fight for things we believe in with activism. Come on.

"Melyssa K" Kennedy
11-28-2012, 05:26 PM
Yay, my court hearing for worker's compensation is tomorrow morning. Can't wait to see how the system fucks me over this time!

bighead384
12-02-2012, 04:58 PM
I've noticed people who are very unimaginative find it easy to work more. Anyone else have this experience?

randman21
12-02-2012, 05:13 PM
Not so fast. I'm sure there are many categories of imaginative people who love working. Those who earn huge salaries, those who actually like their jobs and don't have shitty ones, those who have found jobs in the fields of their passion.

I definitely don't relate, but I know tons of people who work upwards of 70+ hours a week and love every minute of it.

Little_Miss_1565
12-03-2012, 01:18 PM
I've noticed people who are very unimaginative find it easy to work more. Anyone else have this experience?

I work in a creative industry in a creative role, and I find it super easy to work a whole lot more. Worked til 1 AM Friday and Saturday nights to finish a website, and put the finishing touches on it Sunday. I'm tired as hell but happy. It might be more that the people who feel like they've found their purpose have an easier time working more.

MOTO13
12-03-2012, 01:38 PM
I've noticed people who are very unimaginative find it easy to work more. Anyone else have this experience?

I have noticed that people who are actually interested in bettering their lives find it easy to work more. (Such as having a goal or working toward something.) People who are satisfied or see no personal benefit seem to have a hard time just getting their dumb-ass moving. This is what is occurring as we speak...people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me.

Tiny Vessels
12-03-2012, 01:55 PM
People who are satisfied or see no personal benefit seem to have a hard time just getting their dumb-ass moving. This is what is occurring as we speak...people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me.

I might have to disagree with you. Am I satisfied with my job? Not really, but I do keep looking for a job in the field that I went to school for? Yes of course I do infact I just filled out another application just now. But it's frusterating when no one will hire you. I do feel like I'm wasting myself away becuase I don't have my "real job"? Oh god yes but I keep looking and I haven't gave up yet.

Llamas
12-03-2012, 02:43 PM
I have noticed that people who are actually interested in bettering their lives find it easy to work more. (Such as having a goal or working toward something.) People who are satisfied or see no personal benefit seem to have a hard time just getting their dumb-ass moving. This is what is occurring as we speak...people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me.

I live in a semi-socialist country (farrrrr more socialist than most Americans could imagine), and I am satisfied in my work. According to your assessment, I should be working just enough to get by and expecting everything to be handed to me. However, I teach ~25-30 hours a week, and with lesson-planning and administrative work, I actually work ~45-50 hours a week. And I'm looking for more clients to take on, as well as working on my SP and getting my own language agency running. I'm also constantly reading and researching (and I go to seminars when I can) to build upon my skills and improve my work. I'm a liberal semi-socialist who supports unions and high taxes... and I work my damn ass off.

Little_Miss_1565
12-03-2012, 03:21 PM
I might have to disagree with you. Am I satisfied with my job? Not really, but I do keep looking for a job in the field that I went to school for? Yes of course I do infact I just filled out another application just now. But it's frusterating when no one will hire you. I do feel like I'm wasting myself away becuase I don't have my "real job"? Oh god yes but I keep looking and I haven't gave up yet.

I don't think your situation as you've described it here applies to what Moto said.


I live in a semi-socialist country (farrrrr more socialist than most Americans could imagine), and I am satisfied in my work. According to your assessment, I should be working just enough to get by and expecting everything to be handed to me. However, I teach ~25-30 hours a week, and with lesson-planning and administrative work, I actually work ~45-50 hours a week. And I'm looking for more clients to take on, as well as working on my SP and getting my own language agency running. I'm also constantly reading and researching (and I go to seminars when I can) to build upon my skills and improve my work. I'm a liberal semi-socialist who supports unions and high taxes... and I work my damn ass off.

It would appear you're conflating socialism (or semi-socialism) with the removal of the impetus to better one's life / do good work, which I don't think Moto did in his post.

Llamas
12-03-2012, 04:41 PM
It would appear you're conflating socialism (or semi-socialism) with the removal of the impetus to better one's life / do good work, which I don't think Moto did in his post.

Isn't that always what he's doing? Haha... anyway, he definitely heavily implied that he was referring to people who use social benefits (and are OBVIOUSLY socialists, right?)... "people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me."

Little_Miss_1565
12-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Isn't that always what he's doing? Haha... anyway, he definitely heavily implied that he was referring to people who use social benefits (and are OBVIOUSLY socialists, right?)... "people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me."




What Moto describes sounds more like shiftless people (which do not make up the entirety of the welfare roll, but certainly describes my cousin who's on welfare) and not socialists. My aforementioned cousin couldn't define socialism for you if her life depended on it. Not saying Moto's right necessarily, but there's plenty of things he actually says that one can argue against without reading into it things that aren't there.

Dulce
12-07-2012, 05:58 AM
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