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Orange County
10-28-2004, 04:02 PM
Under albums, KTP is not under 'The Offspring' album. This is a song that has been cut from the albums since 9/11 but shouldnt the official site allow it?

Tijs
10-28-2004, 06:09 PM
Apperently not...

smelly poo in a shoe
10-29-2004, 05:22 AM
damn, why do they do that?? does this mean they are gonna cut 'tehran' too??

Vera
10-29-2004, 07:00 AM
Yeah, the new print of S/T doesn't have it. I think the print was released in 2001 or around it and the song was probably removed the current political situation.

I don't necessarily agree with it getting removed because it basically critisizes a completely different president, as it was released in 1989. But I guess removing it is better than getting into trouble.

borgy
10-29-2004, 07:07 AM
Yeah, the new print of S/T doesn't have it. I think the print was released in 2001 or around it and the song was probably removed the current political situation.

I don't necessarily agree with it getting removed because it basically critisizes a completely different president, as it was released in 1989. But I guess removing it is better than getting into trouble.

How the fuck would they get in trouble if they left it on the album or not? Name one band that has criticized the government and got into trouble if they have "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" what a lie.

Fallen.
10-29-2004, 07:17 AM
This is utter bullshit.

I'm really disappointed and i hope the band themselves could do nothing about these "policies".

Im actually really offended by this, i might be being uptight, but Offspring are THE band for me, and i put a lot of faith in them, the music is very personal to me, and for this kinda shit to happen its a kick in the face.

Vera
10-29-2004, 07:36 AM
How the fuck would they get in trouble if they left it on the album or not? Name one band that has criticized the government and got into trouble if they have "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" what a lie.
Well, it could have been the record company's decision. I don't know how "the fuck" they could get into trouble and I seriously doubt it but the atmosphere in the USA was what it was at the time.

Plus I consider there to be a great difference between saying, "I don't agree with Bush's politics" and "kill the president!".

Little_Miss_1565
10-29-2004, 12:53 PM
People have gotten into serious trouble for saying a lot less, under the current P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act and Homeland Security provisions. I don't blame the band at all for pulling that track from the albums and from the website because it puts them at personal risk.

To everyone who's upset about this violation of the spirit of the First Amendment, though not the letter of current legal code, please get in contact with your local representatives. And if you're over 18 and registered to vote, please PLEASE make a point of getting to your local polling place on Tuesday to vote Kerry.

UgLy_eLf
10-29-2004, 02:23 PM
Their record label probably has them by the balls aswell.

Little_Miss_1565
10-29-2004, 03:25 PM
Probably because the liability gets passed on to them as well.

Vote, vote, vote.

Offspring_01
10-29-2004, 06:23 PM
damn, why do they do that?? does this mean they are gonna cut 'tehran' too??

I doubt they will cut tehran. Its not directed at anyone in the US government or any other government for that matter. Its not directed at anyone in particular except Iran. Its just about some battle in Irans capital that I dont think ever happened. (correct me if im wrong). Sure there are some parts about burning flags and soldiers being killed but I think the lyrics to this song are made up to describe to listeners what war is like. (again correct me if im wrong) Now, if this song is cut off the track for some odd reason, then that will be pretty sad.

RobinoZombie
10-30-2004, 01:44 AM
exactly
....

Vera
10-30-2004, 05:02 AM
Tehran is just a general anti-war song, in my opinion.

MirandaV
10-31-2004, 12:11 PM
Who has te S/t cd including kill the president?

Vera
10-31-2004, 12:23 PM
I do, purchased it in 2000.

Offspring_01
10-31-2004, 01:15 PM
I have it, thankfully

Tired_Of_You
10-31-2004, 02:54 PM
I have it too since 2000, but I had to buy it again 2 months or so ago because mine was all scratched. I found one with Kill The President on it, I would not buy it without that song.

smelly poo in a shoe
11-01-2004, 04:06 AM
i got an original copy... im too paraniod to play it, incase it gets scratched

Orange County
11-01-2004, 08:50 AM
Whichever way you look at it it's only a song, okay, it an offensive song, but like another poster said it's a compleltly different president but at the same time the title doesnt specify which, if you know what mean.

KTP Rocks :D

Kitten
11-01-2004, 11:02 AM
The decision to remove KTP from the album is a very sound decision, given that despite it being about a different president, it could be seen as a very anti-government song, plus, in the aftermath of 9/11, if someone went and actually tried taking a potshot at the president and blamed it on the song, the courts are just going to see the title and go against The Offspring, based mainly on that.

Celdric
11-03-2004, 02:20 PM
i got an original copy... im too paraniod to play it, incase it gets scratched

Thats why I burn my Cd's so I can listen to the copy all the time and
store the original :D

Good song, Kill the president, for 1994(?)

TRUSTpunk
11-03-2004, 03:30 PM
I have Track #11 from their self titled and no longer listen to it lol. :eek:

I believe they had that song when Bill Clinton was in office. Rock On!

Anarchist
11-04-2004, 03:09 PM
This is one of my favourite song!The lyrics is great!It's only TRUTH!
This song must be heard from everybody! :D

It's only one way to be in this forum-SIGNATURE! :D :p

Jewel_Blue_Ibanez
11-04-2004, 07:45 PM
How the fuck would they get in trouble if they left it on the album or not? Name one band that has criticized the government and got into trouble if they have "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" what a lie.

The Dixie Chicks, Sinead O'Connor just to name a couple. This board already got into trouble with KTP.

punk_flamingo
11-04-2004, 07:51 PM
just remember that in reality...we dont have freedom of speech. Well we do until the point of time where a vast majority of people will listen to us and COULD be influenced by what we have to say.

The Cheshire Cat
11-04-2004, 11:52 PM
Freedom of speech doesn't matter when it comes to sensitivity. For instance, racists are technically allowed to display their hate-filled messages out for the world to see, but do you really want to listen to them? Just after 9-11, keeping an obviously anti-American song on the album wouldn't have been very prudent of the Offspring to do.

However, it's been three years now. I think it's okay to put it back.

Faded Soul
11-05-2004, 01:11 AM
I have Track #11 from their self titled and no longer listen to it lol. :eek:

I believe they had that song when Bill Clinton was in office. Rock On!


you ARE an idiot. KTP has been around since before Clinton took office.

CreaturesInside
11-05-2004, 01:27 AM
I agree KTP being cut is a smart decision so as not to offend anyone in the current political atmosphere.

I guess the original cut of the s/t album is going to be kinda a collectors item in a way.

I bought mine back in like 99.

God... I feel like one of the old offspring fans now (6 years of being a loyal fan). My favorite album is still Ignition.

Orange County
11-05-2004, 11:53 AM
I think it's kinda bitchin', I think it's kinda neat

DrMike
06-28-2006, 06:11 PM
According to Wikipedia, the song was removed in June 2001, so it wasn't because of September 11 unless The Offspring are clairvoyant. Still doesn't say why it was removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Offspring_%28album%29

All About Eve
06-28-2006, 06:34 PM
Clairvoyance in songs is fun. Better than Ezra had a song with "Sweet dreams, New Orleans, Mississippi River runnin' over me" in it that was released a few months before the hurricane that broke the levies.

Kitten
06-28-2006, 08:42 PM
Wasn't that around the time that someone hacked into the BBS and posted all the political statements through it?

Andy
06-29-2006, 03:14 AM
hacked into the BBS and posted all the political statements through it?
That's Noodles, isn't it?

DeAtHsTaR
06-29-2006, 10:24 AM
According to Wikipedia, the song was removed in June 2001, so it wasn't because of September 11 unless The Offspring are clairvoyant. Still doesn't say why it was removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Offspring_%28album%29
Nice bump of an 18 month old thread.

0r4ng3
06-29-2006, 10:27 AM
18 months? That's almost a year and a half!

DeAtHsTaR
06-29-2006, 11:23 AM
18 months? That's almost a year and a half!
Exactly a year and a half.

kill the president
09-03-2008, 03:15 AM
KTP was awesome why did they cut it???

Rutegard
09-03-2008, 03:59 AM
The Dixie Chicks, Sinead O'Connor just to name a couple. This board already got into trouble with KTP.

how's that?

Oxygene
09-03-2008, 04:08 AM
KTP was awesome why did they cut it???

They didn't wanna upset people who were too stupid to understand what the song was about, and judged based on song titles... I guess

Rutegard
09-03-2008, 04:09 AM
They didn't wanna upset people who were too stupid to understand what the song was about, and judged based on song titles... I guess

yeah..we gotta admit...the majority of ppl would never understand that!

Ryder1234
09-03-2008, 03:55 PM
KTP was awesome why did they cut it???

Read the thread.

lost_nvrfound
09-03-2008, 04:46 PM
Umm... actually, this has been discussed like a million times. Kill The President was removed in june of 2001. Thats when they started printing them without that song. Note that that is 3 months before 9/11. They no longer felt the song should be on the album. They have said so on more than one occasion. I'm not going by the ever inaccurate wikipedia. But it was removed before that.

Rutegard
09-04-2008, 03:34 AM
Umm... actually, this has been discussed like a million times. Kill The President was removed in june of 2001. Thats when they started printing them without that song. Note that that is 3 months before 9/11. They no longer felt the song should be on the album. They have said so on more than one occasion. I'm not going by the ever inaccurate wikipedia. But it was removed before that.

yes yeah


hey i really like your covers btw :D

lost_nvrfound
09-04-2008, 02:29 PM
yes yeah


hey i really like your covers btw :D

Thanks much. We've got a lot in the works at the moment. Wait'll you hear what a bunch of us have been working on. Most of them aren't in the thread about it. Its gonna be spectacular though.

Ryder1234
09-04-2008, 05:39 PM
Mucho Spectacularo! :D

Rutegard
09-05-2008, 03:43 AM
Thanks much. We've got a lot in the works at the moment. Wait'll you hear what a bunch of us have been working on. Most of them aren't in the thread about it. Its gonna be spectacular though.

great then :D

holland25
09-05-2008, 04:26 AM
And I don't think that the label had anything against it, considering it was released in NITRO, which is Dexter's and Greg's label :D

Rutegard
09-05-2008, 05:01 AM
And I don't think that the label had anything against it, considering it was released in NITRO, which is Dexter's and Greg's label :D

everyone knows that KTP is not on the album anymore because greg lost a bet...

Jojan
09-05-2008, 04:53 PM
lol; http://www.offspring.com/forums/group.php?groupid=89

Ryder1234
09-05-2008, 06:06 PM
I so joind (joind with a D not ED oh I'm special :p)

Bipolar Bear
09-05-2008, 11:31 PM
I'm special too. At least that's what my psychologist says.


Joind.

Rutegard
09-06-2008, 03:05 PM
I'm special too. At least that's what my psychologist says.


Joind.

never forget!

you are unique!!!

just like everyone else

LOL

Smash punker
09-10-2008, 06:43 AM
KTP fucking rocks. Great punx song. :D Maybe they removed it, but they can never erase that from our heads and minds! And internet, where you can listen to it as long as you want! :D

Greekoldfan
09-12-2008, 10:34 AM
in a thread i made a few months ago about a deluxe version of s/t for the celebration of the 20 years of the s/t i wrote this version must have the song kill the president.it is a song title and a song written back in '89.in the most of the countries we are living we have the freedom of speach,or at least in the most of the countries.in the same way they should cut beheaded, tkaa,cool to hate, or bands like the exploided should not exists.

jacknife737
09-12-2008, 02:58 PM
in a thread i made a few months ago about a deluxe version of s/t for the celebration of the 20 years of the s/t i wrote this version must have the song kill the president.it is a song title and a song written back in '89.in the most of the countries we are living we have the freedom of speach,or at least in the most of the countries.in the same way they should cut beheaded, tkaa,cool to hate, or bands like the exploided should not exists.

It was the band's decision to remove Kill the President, nobody elses.

Greekoldfan
09-12-2008, 06:27 PM
yeah but i dont agree with that.its just my opinion anyway

jacknife737
09-12-2008, 06:56 PM
fair enough.

Smash punker
09-19-2008, 05:35 AM
Wanna Kill the president back!!! :D Or else! :D

austinwolfclaw
12-05-2009, 07:36 PM
I was reading this thread and came across a post that said the album was released in 1995.

When I got the S/T album, it came with a sticker. Not a parental advisory sticker, mind you, but an oval shaped sticker.
On it, were the words.


WARNING!
This is not a new Offspring album!
It was originally recorded in 1989.
It contains punk rock which could
be habit forming."

So, yea, the original album came out in 1989, and i think the reason KTP is no longer on the album...remember Wally George? The guy who slammed the band when the album first came out, just because it had KTP on it? I bet he had been stalking the band until his death in 2003 lol

~AWC

ad8
12-06-2009, 03:06 AM
lol (101010)

dexter12296566
12-06-2009, 04:21 AM
I love that song. I have the CD without it and about a year later I got the CD with it. So after 9/11 they it was seriously cut from albums that were still printed? So my first one was from after and the second was from before?

_Lost_
12-06-2009, 09:31 AM
OMG Did you not read my post? It's like 5 posts up!

"Umm... actually, this has been discussed like a million times. Kill The President was removed in june of 2001. Thats when they started printing them without that song. Note that that is 3 months before 9/11. They no longer felt the song should be on the album. They have said so on more than one occasion. I'm not going by the ever inaccurate wikipedia. But it was removed before that."

Jesus christ! This was said like four hundred times!