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ForsakenProdigy
10-29-2004, 08:12 PM
I gotta tell ya, since the OP single...the promotion of the Offspring has been very sad ive found. Totally looks like the record company lost total faith in the sales offspring could put out. Want you bad went no where and the video was never* played on muchmusic on anyway. No video for MMA cept a live thing and the single went no where. The MMA is great! Couldve had a good video. Youll all agree this website except for lately, for years went absolutely nowhere with no updates. Offspring Nation was ....well I wont even comment on it. The hype for Splinter also as compared to maybe American Idiot is just sad! Greenday Is everywhere! Yet Splinter did nothing. They were even late with their hit that music video to coincide with the release. Now after CGMHAY it seems over already for splinter. Yeah I know theyre working on greatest hits (I expect the hits will obviously be the current setlist at their concerts) but it just seems sad that for the past while its been pretty bad.

Little_Miss_1565
10-29-2004, 08:34 PM
I've noticed the same thing...

I had really hoped that "The Noose" would be the lead single...and though I understand the logic behind 'don't-release-the-best-song-on-the-album-first,' I think what makes "American Idiot" so huge right now is that it's an anthem that calls back to the Dookie days. I wasn't 'feeling' the songs on Splinter because I'd only heard the singles released...until I heard "The Noose." It calls up Smash, and then bitchslaps it a little. It's a familiar sound, but it's not exactly the same. I feel like it leads off the album perfectly because it just pulls you into it...and I wish it had done the same for the album as a single.

ForsakenProdigy
10-29-2004, 08:40 PM
Im a much bigger offspring fan than greenday definatly, but i see its unfortunate greenday gets the media/mainstream recognition of the punk savoirs of the 90s, few mention offspring. And American Idiot, whether you think its good or bad, the tone of it, the 9min songs and sections, varied topics make it a much new varied album and BLOWS splinter away in recognition and hype and personally in GENERAL its a better varied album. I hope dexter heard it and realizes and doesnt release ANOTHER album that sounds the same, cuz its 4 in a row now.

willferno
10-29-2004, 08:42 PM
yeah and that's maybe why they're going to make a greatest hits. A best of... always help a band to reappear in the map. But I don't really care if they make big success or no, I liked splinter even if a lot of people or saying it was their worst album (only because it's different...come on guys...all their albums were different and this one take all the styles of the other albums...we will never forget the classics for sure but we have to admit that the new songs rocked and some are as good as the oldies...) and for finishing what I was saying...if they make success or they don't make any promotion I will always buy their albums and go to their shows cuz the Offspring are the best whatever they do and f*ck what people who only listen to commercial songs think.

TeddyBear_Army
10-29-2004, 09:46 PM
Come the fuck on,Splinter is their greatest along with Ixnay!

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie
10-29-2004, 10:19 PM
I don't know, I don't think I'd ever rate Splinter up with Ixnay (personally my favorite album). I'm not saying it really sucked or anything, but it wasn't near as good as many of their other cds, though it did have "The Noose", "(CGM)HAY", "Lightning Rod" and "Never Gonna Find Me." I think all the rest are better, except for CO1. But don't get me wrong I still love all the cds and I still know that The Offspring are the best band ever; I just consider the old stuff to be better.

Left Face Down
10-29-2004, 11:23 PM
Not to really say much, but a band doesn't have to have videos all over TV and stuff to be a good band. If Columbia records isn't doing much with them, so what they're an old band and "out of date" though I love there music. I mean seriously, bands such as Styx and Aerosmith which I grew up with, and are HUGE names in rock history, have gotten the same air time and so on with there new records really. This stuff doesn't really matter to me, I mean the number of fans they have is enough to suffice the record company, though they're not main stream any more because they more or less stick to there roots. They mess around, but a good portion of there music is a style of genre that doesn't much exist any more in the eyes of the mass population.

P.S.- Green Day's new cd had maybe 4 good songs on it, where I'll listen to Splinter and so on straight through.

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie
10-29-2004, 11:31 PM
I'm sorry, but this is really bugging me Left Face Down. For future reference when it's possesive it's spelled "their", "there" is used for position and such, and "they're" is a contraction for "they are".
Ok that was my little spiel, again, sorry about the interruption. On with the topic.

Left Face Down
10-30-2004, 02:09 AM
I used it right, "their" is possesive, I'm not showing possesion... bah... The Offspring, THEY'RE (they are) a good band... THEY'RE an old band... not THEIR an old band, they don't own "old band" it's in reference to them. THEY'RE not mainstream.. it's not THEIR not mainstream.. as before they don't own "mainstream" and "mainstream" is definantly not a location, so it's not THERE....

So, why did you even put that?

RonWelty
10-30-2004, 02:33 AM
letīs hope that the new Greatest Hitīs song will be a great hit , like that song from No doubt greatest hits - Itīs my life .... LONG LIFE FOR THE OFFSPRING !!!

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie
10-30-2004, 09:35 AM
I'll show you why, and I'm not trying to be rude, it just really bugged me.

"...same air time and so on with there new records really..."

"...they more or less stick to there roots..."

and

"...good portion of there music is a style..."

Tijs
10-30-2004, 09:43 AM
I make that same mistake quite a lot too. But reading your post before you actually post it helps.

Left Face Down
10-30-2004, 10:20 AM
I'll show you why, and I'm not trying to be rude, it just really bugged me.

"...same air time and so on with there new records really..."

"...they more or less stick to there roots..."

and

"...good portion of there music is a style..."


You know what, I didn't even realize I did that... hahahahahahahaha.. yeah it should be their... *shrugs* what can I do...

nitropenguin!
10-30-2004, 05:36 PM
I check my grammor mistakes every single time I write something. Obsessive that way ;)

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie is a lot more obsessive though. lol, just playin'

Moose
10-30-2004, 05:43 PM
i dont care about their promotion, i care if they make good music, they still are, obviously not as good as igniton, smash, and ixnay, but its hard to do the same stuff over and over, so they change it a little, and some find its not as good. whatever, the new green day cd is very good and i thought it was going to suck, i was very impressed with the intelligence put into the album that im sure most dont realize anyway. i think the offspring have enough talent to steer their music in a totally different direction, but only if they want too, there is nothing worse that forced art, so i rather have them do what they like, then have them force something different.

bands like the red hot chili peppers have evolved so much its great, but its not for all bands.
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nitropenguin!
10-30-2004, 05:46 PM
Yeah :) I think The Offspring did a pretty damn good job at growing. And they'll keep it up.

GunForHire
10-30-2004, 06:48 PM
I don't understand the problem that people have with the band's new stuff. A lot of people compare it to their original works, like The Offspring and Ignition, but to be fair you can't really compare them because they're so different. I love Splinter and personally I think it's great that they aren't afraid to try some new things, but the Offspring will probably always have the problem that some people rate their new stuff below their old stuff just because it sounds different.

I've noticed that there's essentially 2 groups of Offspring fans, those who like only their old stuff, and those who like both their old and new. The band have tried to please both groups with albums like Splinter, which have elements of their old sound in along with some new things, whilst still trying to produce music which they enjoy making and performing. The real problem is, they may never please both these groups and will always have those who slate their new stuff because it's different. However, if the Offspring are ever to get more mainstream recognition, they'll have to change their music completely, thanks to the huge downhill sloping of the music industry that's happened from the mid 90's to present day. Punk music like that found on Ixnay, and even to some extent on Americana, has lost it's place in the mainstream music industry.

Today most popular rock music is either Indie or Alt, for example, bands like Snow Patrol or Razorlight. The Offspring could change their music to match this new trend, but I think we'd all agree that we'd all hate that to happen. So whilst they are still having success with their current fans, it's far harder for them to reach a new audience today than it was 5 years ago with Americana, and so there's less promotion and hype for their music.

As for American Idiot - I thought it was pretty overrated. I only like about 5 songs off it, and that's not counting the title track which has been ridiculously overplayed.

nitropenguin!
10-30-2004, 06:51 PM
Good words, GunForHire. Couldn't have said it better myself.

punk_flamingo
10-30-2004, 07:50 PM
I think its a shame that the Offspring doesnt have a street team.

With streetteaming and that you basically go around requesting videos online, ringing up radio stations and requesting their songs and just generally get the band heard.

in some cases you even receive a swag which usually contains stickers etc, and you go and hand them out to the general public.

I know they had one in Australia for their tour through a site, and im pretty sure that went down pretty well - because it was the first time there were no ads on australian tv for the tour. So not alot of people actually knew about it.

GunForHire
10-30-2004, 08:11 PM
I think they should have some - after all, it was through street teams that Linkin Park got widespread recognition, make of that what you will of course, but look where they are now - most people know who they are.

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie
10-30-2004, 10:18 PM
I check my grammor mistakes every single time I write something. Obsessive that way ;)

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie is a lot more obsessive though. lol, just playin'

*Grammar! Ah, I'm messin with ya :p

I'd like to say that I really liked what Moose and GunForHire said. I'm going to have to ponder this for awhile, but I'd just like to say that now that I've read it, I'm going to try to stop comparing new Offspring music to their old stuff. Like when I first heard of Offspring and I bought CO1 I thought it was the best thing ever and played it over and over, now three years later I rarely listen to that particular cd, yet if I listen to it I like it. Now I realize that when I'm not listening to it I compare it to the first five and don't like that it's so different. So I'm still in the same mentality with Splinter. I wonder how to get out of this rut. Listen to CO1 and Splinter more? Hum I'll have to try this. Anyway I don't know if many of y'all got what I was saying, but I did :p

You_Feel_Like_A_Lie
10-30-2004, 10:33 PM
Though I do make mistakes too....rarely....

Just kidding often enough for me to know I'm not perfect....yet. :p

PresidentKiller
10-30-2004, 10:53 PM
I don't understand the problem that people have with the band's new stuff. A lot of people compare it to their original works, like The Offspring and Ignition, but to be fair you can't really compare them because they're so different. I love Splinter and personally I think it's great that they aren't afraid to try some new things, but the Offspring will probably always have the problem that some people rate their new stuff below their old stuff just because it sounds different.

I've noticed that there's essentially 2 groups of Offspring fans, those who like only their old stuff, and those who like both their old and new. The band have tried to please both groups with albums like Splinter, which have elements of their old sound in along with some new things, whilst still trying to produce music which they enjoy making and performing. The real problem is, they may never please both these groups and will always have those who slate their new stuff because it's different. However, if the Offspring are ever to get more mainstream recognition, they'll have to change their music completely, thanks to the huge downhill sloping of the music industry that's happened from the mid 90's to present day. Punk music like that found on Ixnay, and even to some extent on Americana, has lost it's place in the mainstream music industry.

Today most popular rock music is either Indie or Alt, for example, bands like Snow Patrol or Razorlight. The Offspring could change their music to match this new trend, but I think we'd all agree that we'd all hate that to happen. So whilst they are still having success with their current fans, it's far harder for them to reach a new audience today than it was 5 years ago with Americana, and so there's less promotion and hype for their music.

As for American Idiot - I thought it was pretty overrated. I only like about 5 songs off it, and that's not counting the title track which has been ridiculously overplayed.

Well said, I agree with you enterely. I just hate that kind of people that always compare the new stuff with the old stuff. I like both personally (you should see how that happens to "annoy" some people at my school... :p).

Jewel_Blue_Ibanez
10-30-2004, 11:11 PM
Maybe what we need to do is start promoting them ourselves. Flood MuchMusic with requests to play their new stuff. Demand that the radio stations play their songs.

bouncingcoles
10-30-2004, 11:22 PM
Maybe what we need to do is start promoting them ourselves. Flood MuchMusic with requests to play their new stuff. Demand that the radio stations play their songs.

REVOLT!!!!!! PLAY OFFSPRING!!!!!!!

PresidentKiller
10-31-2004, 07:11 PM
...Demand that the radio stations play their songs.

Ahhh, it's kinda difficult over here... the only good rock station that was around was replaced by a stupid "news-all-day-long" station, which I hate it because there're a lot of them, and all of them say the same over and over... And the crappy "little-girl" pop stations are still here, intact... :mad:

Tired_Of_You
10-31-2004, 07:16 PM
Ahhh, it's kinda difficult over here... the only good rock station that was around was replaced by a stupid "news-all-day-long" station, which I hate it because there're a lot of them, and all of them say the same over and over... And the crappy "little-girl" pop stations are still here, intact... :mad:


The same happened here, there was a radio station that played Offspring songs quite often...but you know the rest of the story. It sucks, there's no rock radio anymore.

PresidentKiller
10-31-2004, 07:23 PM
The same happened here, there was a radio station that played Offspring songs quite often...but you know the rest of the story. It sucks, there's no rock radio anymore.

Yeah, it sucks big time... Man, I just hate A LOT of things about this country... :mad: