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Faust
03-23-2005, 08:37 AM
again.
now the judging finger is pointed at nazis and socialists.
who should be blaimed if anyone?
where do you think the problem lies?
anything else to say on this topic? any guns in your school?

Mota Boy
03-23-2005, 08:49 AM
Thank God that school spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on metal detectors and security guards, or else someone could've been hurt.

wheelchairman
03-23-2005, 08:54 AM
One thing is for sure, what's to blame is usually far simpler than what the media points out.

Perhaps the kid had issues with family and social life, environment and surroundings. But nah, it's commies to blame, commies and nazis, who so often collaborate.

Betty
03-23-2005, 08:56 AM
I'm pretty tempted to blame the parents. I'm a pretty strong supporter of the influence parents have on how their child is able to cope with situations that arise in their life.

wheelchairman
03-23-2005, 08:59 AM
I'm pretty tempted to blame the parents. I'm a pretty strong supporter of the influence parents have on how their child is able to cope with situations that arise in their life.
I second this, I'd say the parents influence is thick. Shocking we agree on something.

Betty
03-23-2005, 09:06 AM
Dum dum dum!

But I thought you would have put the "Oh, but it's not the parent's fault that they are poor and victims of social division and somehow this makes up for them teaching their kid to hit other kids". Etc. As usual: a reason, but not an excuse.

But anyway, at one point I thought that parents had a really, really huge influence but since then I've reconsidered and am not entirely sure. Because kids from the same family can turn out entirely different. Although, I think that they take the personality and life situations they are given and cope with them with the values etc. instilled early on by the parents. So the children would still most likely have a similar strength of spirit and view of moral rights and wrongs, etc.

wheelchairman
03-23-2005, 09:14 AM
As far as school shootings go, I think social class plays little influence. Children, generally don't pattern themselves after social class. I mean of course, more petty crime happens among young, poor males, than rich little girls, but school shootings are far too isolated and inbetween to be a general social patter.

The school shooting of Thurston High School (I grew up not far away, that's how I can remember this) was done by a social reject. He was a disappointment in his parents eyes, in comparison with the shining star of his sister, he was a loser among his classmates. It's a harsh competitive environment to attend American public schools. To be a failure in the eyes of your family, and to be picked on relentlessly by those around you, every day, all year round, years at a time. You just tick.

It's like in Japan they have a problem with teen suicide.

Mota Boy
03-23-2005, 09:34 AM
I second this, I'd say the parents influence is thick. Shocking we agree on something.
And you're both wrong. The father committed suicide several years ago and the mother has been living in a nursing home with brain damage after getting into a severe auto accident. So something tells me there ain't much they could've done to prevent this.

Gothgirl2606
03-23-2005, 10:03 AM
u know sumtimes it ain't the parents fault. it can be ur posse. after all, sum1 i know round here threatens peeps wiv knifers + him + his m8s al hav like, respectable families 'n' all. there's nuffin like self will kinda, get wot i'm saying????? after all, sum r strong-minded, sum aren't. nuffin2 stop the parent s from having words wiv their kids, but like, which kids actually take in everything they say, rite down 2 da last syllable?????

Gothgirl2606
03-23-2005, 10:05 AM
As far as school shootings go, I think social class plays little influence. Children, generally don't pattern themselves after social class. I mean of course, more petty crime happens among young, poor males, than rich little girls, but school shootings are far too isolated and inbetween to be a general social patter.

The school shooting of Thurston High School (I grew up not far away, that's how I can remember this) was done by a social reject. He was a disappointment in his parents eyes, in comparison with the shining star of his sister, he was a loser among his classmates. It's a harsh competitive environment to attend American public schools. To be a failure in the eyes of your family, and to be picked on relentlessly by those around you, every day, all year round, years at a time. You just tick.

It's like in Japan they have a problem with teen suicide.

suicide seems the only way out 4 sum. it's kinda sad + deprerssing, + apparently, there r more teenagers on anti-depressants then wot voted in the whole of the pop idol series. it's worrying, v.worrying.

rock4life09
03-23-2005, 10:30 AM
You can't blame the parents for this. You never know if that kid hated the others he killed. Or people at school could have teased him so he decided to get his revenge! You never know. You can't blame it on nazis (and I have no idea why you would) or the parents. It could be the parent's fault but if he didn't like his parents then why didn't he shoot them?

wheelchairman
03-23-2005, 11:22 AM
I second this, I'd say the parents influence is thick. Shocking we agree on something.
Didn't say they were blamed.
So do you all think having a dad who off'ed himself, and his mom in a nursing home, had no negative effect on his mind?

Mota Boy
03-23-2005, 11:53 AM
Of course not. I was just being a dick.

ThrashedThrasher
03-23-2005, 12:12 PM
again.
now the judging finger is pointed at nazis and socialists.
who should be blaimed if anyone?
where do you think the problem lies?
anything else to say on this topic? any guns in your school?


The Nazis and Socialists have fucking nothing to do with it. The kid was fucking Native! Of all fucking things, he was the same general ethnicity as myself. And you know what, I walked into my SS class yesterday after my teacher had brought up the subject and some fuckhead asked me if I was going to go Native on their asses. If the dude considered himself a WP boy, then you know right now he had fuckin' head issues. Nobody is to blame, the kid was probably fucked up in some way or another, he just snapped. Although his guardians should have noticed it. As for guns in schools, the security guards, cameras, metal detectors, etc. are such a wase of money. It's fucking bull, do they REALLY think they're going to find anything? Fuck no. When security is increased we find new ways to sneak shit it. Look at me, we got security cameras (more like enhanced web cams) and I still pack a knife with me to school. They try to search me, they're not going to find anything.

Faust
03-23-2005, 12:13 PM
oh shit check out this one too:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4310906/detail.html?subid=22100415&qs=1;bp=t
14 years old kid could be facing up to 20 years in prison for writing a killing-list.. what a fuck...

..well..anyways.. back to the original topic, I think he shouldn`t have had an access to the gun.
I think it`s pretty obvious that his parents` horrible destiny has had a bad influence on him. it depends on how old was he when he lost his parents and did he get the appropriate therapy after those incidents.


Weise kept largely to himself and often didn't make eye contact with others in the halls, students said.

They said he was the target of teasing and produced "messed-up" drawings of "people dying" and Nazi swastikas.http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/23/school.shooting/index.html

The Talking Pie
03-23-2005, 01:25 PM
The school shooting of Thurston High School (I grew up not far away, that's how I can remember this) was done by a social reject. He was a disappointment in his parents eyes, in comparison with the shining star of his sister, he was a loser among his classmates. It's a harsh competitive environment to attend American public schools. To be a failure in the eyes of your family, and to be picked on relentlessly by those around you, every day, all year round, years at a time. You just tick.
Power to the shampoo!

Bah, it's always the fucking Nazis. First thing the media has to cling to; "he was a Nazi." People do tick. And then they fucking explode. BOOM!

UnityMinersrulz
03-23-2005, 02:33 PM
good i am glad that kid is dead then we dont have to deal with another shooter now we just got to wait for that lady that had her feeding tube removed to die i cant wait she is a god damn paperweight

Skate Rat 19
03-23-2005, 03:08 PM
Well you see it all depends on who the kid shot. Maybe the teacher gave out too much homework and maybe the other kids were assholes that listen to "gangsta" rap.

Slim Pickens The Bomb Rider
03-23-2005, 03:11 PM
he probably listened to gangsta rap to

Homer
03-23-2005, 03:45 PM
So, basically, what I'm hearing is that it's the social class that made this happen. If he was low on the "scale" while everybody else was higher than him, that would suck. Also, the authorities, who are also high in the scale, should've done something to help this kid, like give him the proper counciling and shit like that. And the god parents shouldn't have left a gun out for him, or something like that. To prevent this shit from happening again, we need to pay more attention to the happiyness (or depression) of the people around us and really take it into consideration.

shatskater
03-23-2005, 05:43 PM
WCM and Betty are dumbfucks...apparently you havent payed attention...his dad is dead, and his mom became retarded from a car wreck, so you cant blame the parents here.

Linda
03-23-2005, 06:53 PM
The kid losing both his parents had to really affect his mind. Plus I read that he was a loner in school and the kids were always teasing him. Now, I can see where a kid with an already fucked up mind because of the loss of his parents could go shoot up a school full of kids who always teased him. Let this be a lesson to all of you. Be very careful who you make fun of and tease.

Betty
03-23-2005, 07:38 PM
WCM and Betty are dumbfucks...apparently you havent payed attention...his dad is dead, and his mom became retarded from a car wreck, so you cant blame the parents here.

Okay... the parents influence the children mostly when they are young. Were his parents dead and mentally inhibited when he was 5? Because that's when they would have instilled the values he used to make his life choices. Parents have less influence when a child gets older anyway, but by that point everything they have instilled is still there in the kid.

And if the parents had always been dead then the influence would have come from whoever else raised him, be it an aunt/uncle, random foster parent, etc.

Also, as WCM pointed out, it is pretty obviously likely that the fact that his parents were dead/brain damaged had an influence on how he behaved. Which is still parental influence. But I'd like to think that the way he dealt with that situation would already be established to a certain extent at the point.

People are taking this the wrong way. It's not like we're saying the parents told him "go shoot those people"... it is much more subtle than that.

ThrashedThrasher
03-23-2005, 07:49 PM
To those of you who say he shouldn't have had access to guns. That doesn't make a damn bit of a fucking difference. He would've found a way to get one if he didn't have one or he'd do things the fun way and make a bomb. I'm sitting here, with a gun cabinet full with 8 guns (rifles) and 2 handguns behind me. I know how to shoot all of them for mere self defence, plus I come from a family that is very big on hunting. If one of my buddies who doesn't have access to a gun wanted to shoot up our school, they'd have an easy resource coming from me.

UgLy_eLf
03-23-2005, 10:42 PM
Well this happened in MN, where I live so here's my input. This is the second school shooting here in the past 2 yrs....both in little towns, big surprise..not.

I just love how the media is covering it.
FOX is pretty entertaining, "THIS GOTH KID INFLUENCED BY NAZI'S DRESSED IN ALL BLACK AND DREW DEAD THINGS WAS A LONER AND WORE EYELINER."

Mom and dad are dead, he used to live in the big city and got booted into a tiny little FUCK of a town. There he was isolated and kids in little towns we all know how they are, piss N shit on anyone out of the norm. Nazi's influenced him? Haha what a fucking joke, every pissant that ignored him and spit on him influenced him in his decision, he was already mentally fucked up it just sent him over the edge.

All these schools keep spending money on metal detectors, and security guards; what for? This guy walked into the school set off the metal detector and shot the security guard. OK question: Why didnt the guard have a weapon?

The kid didnt HAVE a kill list, he hated everyone there equally he went where he saw people, and shot randomly.

"Shouldnt have access to a gun." Yeah but he did, gramps was a cop, kid took his gun, shot gramps and his girlfriend, took off in grampa's squad car, no one noticed a 16 yr old driving around in a squad car? Hah, then he went to school, and we all know what happend there.

Bottom line, drop the security issues bullshit, its not security thats going to stop kids from blasting people away at school, teachers, and whoever else that works with students should pay more attention to the shit that goes on between students, THEY play the significant role in what transpires at these schools.

Same with kids, I never understood the bullying phenomenon. I know elementary kids can be vicious towards an outsider, but I never experienced this in High School, maybe it's because I went to a public school? I've gotten shit before from some kids but nothing extreme.

wheelchairman
03-24-2005, 03:10 AM
WCM and Betty are dumbfucks...apparently you havent payed attention...his dad is dead, and his mom became retarded from a car wreck, so you cant blame the parents here.
I wonder, did you read all my posts? Perhaps you should've before you made yourself look like a retard, again. But Betty covered it already.

Linda
03-24-2005, 12:17 PM
Elfy, the bullying between kids goes on everywhere. There are no exceptions.
Happens at all grade levels. Private or public school, doesn't matter. Kids are mean. They don't stop to think of the consequences of their actions.
Like I said in my previous,
Let this be a lesson to all of you. Be very careful who you make fun of and tease.

PresidentKiller
04-01-2005, 10:24 PM
That kid was really fucked up. He made this before going on his killing spree...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/195194

Damn.