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wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 09:46 AM
I thought it would be about time we got a topic of politics so that everyone besides Americans could be interested.

Some basic rules, just give a general idea of the parties in your country, and which one(s) you support. First give their names in your own tongue, and then translate them to English, and try to put them on an ideological scale. (Communist, liberal (in the classical free market sense of the word), conservative, nationalist) etc.

So for Denmark

Socialdemokratiet (the Social Democrats), suppose the name kinda gives it away. I see them as more neo-liberal now that they are often pushing for privitization etc. much like their counterparts in Germany.

Venstre (Left) this is actually a very right wing party. They are called left only because they are on the left side of the parliament. They are a liberal party that believes in small government and little government influence in the market etc.

Konservative (Conservative), they are obviously conservative. But to the left of the liberals.

Dansk Folkeparti (Danish People's Party) a disgusting nationalist party, they are the Danish equivalent of Le Front. Very much anti-foreigners pro-Danes etc. Awful stuff.

Fremskridtspartiet (The Progress Party) They are like the Danish People's Party except even more right wing.

Centrum Demokratiet (The Center Democrats) They are to the right of the Social Democrats, but only just a little bit

Kristendemokraterne (The Christian Democrats) They are anti EU that's good. They are also pro-life that's bad. They are a religious party, I'm generally distasteful of that idea.

Radikale Venstre (The Radical Left) Denmark's most center party. They are really pro-EU. I don't like them.

Socialistiske Folkeparti (The Socialist People's Party) They are what the social democrats should be. However they are hardly a socialist party anymore.

Enhedslisten (Unity List) A group of socialist and communist powers that went together to get representation in Parliament. My party supports them but is not a part of them.

Danmarks Kommunistiske Parti (ML) (Denmark's Communist Party ML) My party. They are former Hoxhaites, and the largest communist party in Denmark. They are working on a merger with KPiD, and things are looking up. So perhaps in the next election they will try and get elected into parliament.

And that's the Danish one as it is. And I am actually an active member of DKP-ML. So how is it for y'all out there?

Izie
10-31-2004, 12:19 PM
[jesus]
I'll only list the ones who have seats in the belgian federal parlement

Vlaamse Liberalen en Democraten (VLD)
Flemish Liberals and Democrats, liberal

Socialistische Partij. Anders (SPA)
Socialist Party. Different, social-dem.

Spirit (SPIRIT)
Spirit, social-liberal/regionalist

Christen-Democratisch & Vlaams (CD&V)
Christian-Democratic & Flemish, christian-dem.

Parti Socialiste (PS)
Socialist Party, social-dem.

Vlaams Blok (VB)
Flemish Bloc, nationalist/separatist/racist

Mouvement Réformateur (MR)
Reform Movement, liberal

Centre Démocrate Humaniste (CDH)
Humanist Democratic Centre, christian-dem.

Ecologistes Confédérés (ECOLO)
Confederated Ecologists, green

Nieuw - Vlaamse Alliantie (NVA)
New Flemish Alliance, conserv./regionalist

De Vlaamse Groenen (GROEN)
The Flemish Greens, green

Front National (FN)
National Front, nationalist

currently the federal government is a coalition of: VLD, SPA, SPIRIT, PS, MR

wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 12:24 PM
Maybe I'm blind, I don't see a PS in your list though?

Izie
10-31-2004, 12:31 PM
Maybe I'm blind, I don't see a PS in your list though?

you weren't blind, now you can see them ;)

Vera
10-31-2004, 12:35 PM
Finland.

Sosiaalidemokraattinen puolue
The Social-Democrat Party
- Quite obvious really. Leftish. One of the biggest parties.

Keskusta
The Center Party
- Rightwing, conservative I guess, supported mostly in non-urban areas. The biggest party (though only slightly bigger than Social-Dems) in the last election (2003).

Vasemmistoliitto
Left-Wing Alliance
- Left, used to be socialist.

Kokoomus
National Coalition Party
- Rightwing, but quite at the political center, really, one could say.

SFP - Svenska folkpartiet (or something)
Swedish People's Party
- Really not sure what they are. They're Finnish-Swedes and basically just a minority party. Whenever the topic of bilinguality is discussed, they're there defending Swedish.

Kristillisdemokraatit
The Christian Democrats
- Rightwing. Not "beat-your-head-with-a-Bible" Christian, rather "soft-Christian-family-values" Christian, but still Christian.

Vihreä liitto
Green League of Finland
- Greens.

Perussuomalaiset
True Finns
- Rightwing populist, I hear. They have two MPs in the parliament, one of them is an ex-wrestler.

I support Greens, I guess. Greens and Social-Dems. The current president is a Social Democrat and I like her a lot.

At the moment we have a "punamultahallitus", which means Social-Dems and the Center Party form the government. The prime minister is of the Center Party.

Tired_Of_You
10-31-2004, 01:00 PM
I just listed the ones who got seats in the house

* Bloc Quebecois - (left)Social democrats,promoting the sovereingty (spelling?) of Quebec

* Liberal Party -(right) It's the biggest political party who currently forms the federal government under Paul Martin

* New Democratic Party - (left) democratic socialist

* Progressive Conservatives - right-of-centre political party

I think there's one called Canadian Allicance but they don't exist anymore, not sure though..

I hope I made no mistakes.
I'm for the Bloc Quebecois, NPD seem okay too but anyway I can't vote, I'm still to young.

Strider
10-31-2004, 03:48 PM
Okay...

PT = Partido dos Trabalhadores (Workers' Party)

The party of the current president, Lula. They have promised many changes for this year but few things have been done. Anyway, I still believe them. My city's mayor belongs to PT too.

PSDB = Partido Social Democrático Brasileiro (Social and Democratic Brazilian Party)

This is the party of the former president, FHC. He was able to defeat inflation, but people wanted more. We wanted the end of unemployment. FHC promised it, but as Lula from PT had been a candidate in many former elections, people decided to give him a chance.

PRONA...I forgot the meaning of this one

There is a guy in this party named Eneas. He was a candidate to president but heh, he is kinda scary. He has some ideas related to censore...we Brazilians don't want our land to become a dictatorship again.


Well...I'm not really a pro at this..I only made a few mentions to give you a slight idea.

wheelchairman
10-31-2004, 03:56 PM
Yeah I think when Lula was elected we all hoped for great changes. It's been a bitter disappointment that he has decided to be the puppet of the IMF and the WTO.

Izie
10-31-2004, 04:18 PM
Yeah I think when Lula was elected we all hoped for great changes. It's been a bitter disappointment that he has decided to be the puppet of the IMF and the WTO.


It's no dissapointment, since it was quite predictable (i guess Lula is doing his best in the real world and using the system, like the WTO complaints for instance against the EU and the US).
Same shit with India recently, the stock markets basically chose the government and not the indian people. Great thing, "democracy", but there are other "mechanisms" still in place protect the minority of the opulent against the majority...

dadfernan98
11-02-2004, 01:49 AM
What's up wheel chair man!, I'd like to start telling you that I'm from colombia, living in Denver, Colorado, USA. Offspring went to my country a couple days ago...
about your topic, there are two main political parties: liberals and conservatives, I bet you know what their focus is.....

anon
11-02-2004, 02:20 AM
Hm. oki.

Fiatal Demokratak Szovetsege - Magyar Polgari Part
(Association of Young Democrats - The Hungarian Civil Party)

Middle-right (sp?) party, with imo a little demagogue PR, targeting the crowd of people not liking the old system. They have a behaviour that makes me vomit: they always make speeches that is based on the bad public morale, so that they always seem like the "good party" ... IMO they're son of a bitches who are willing to do anything to gain power.

Magyar Demokrata Forum
(Hungarian Democrats' Forum)

Small conservative party, mostly asslickers for the party above, now they're trying to stop asslicking, but that makes some party members angry so right now they're about to split up.

Magyar Szocialista Part
(Hungarian Socialist Party)

Middle-left (sp?) party, they're in charge since 2002. Their PR is weak, so they cant cope with FIDESZ in this view. Their decisions sometimes look weak, since they cant really prove that they're right.

Szabad Demokratak Szovetsege
(Association of Free Democrats)
Small liberalist party, asslickers for the party above. They form a coalition with them.

Hm. And which one i support? none. I mean, last time I voted for a party thats not in Parliament right now. The problem with Hungarian politics is that there are two big parties (FIDESZ <-> MSZP), and half of the country supports one, other half supports the other one, and they hate each other...

Imo these two parties can and want to use this fact: They make the anger in the hearts of people against the other party, so that people wont recognize that all parties suck: they only want to make monney for themselves, but not for the people...

Thats my opinion.
ZS

Betty
11-03-2004, 01:16 AM
I just listed the ones who got seats in the house

* Bloc Quebecois - (left)Social democrats,promoting the sovereingty (spelling?) of Quebec

* Liberal Party -(right) It's the biggest political party who currently forms the federal government under Paul Martin

* New Democratic Party - (left) democratic socialist

* Progressive Conservatives - right-of-centre political party

I think there's one called Canadian Allicance but they don't exist anymore, not sure though..

I hope I made no mistakes.
I'm for the Bloc Quebecois, NPD seem okay too but anyway I can't vote, I'm still to young.

Just thought I would correct:

It is the Conservative Party of Canada, which is a merger of the two former right wing parties, the Canadian Alliance (most right) and the Progressive Conservatives. It got off on a half decent start.

Also, the liberal party is, in theory, a "central" party. Right wingers will believe they lean left, whereas the radical left consider them ultra right wing. It partly depends on who's in power at the time, and the makeup of the government (minority/majority/opposition/etc). So, for the record, central.

Also, honourable mentions goes to the Green Party of Canada which has made considerable progress in being represented by candidates throughout the country, although they didn't gain any seats. Surprisingly, from what I understand, although they are very pro-environment, they are actually right wing on many social/economic issues.

Finally, there are very under-represented parties like the Christian Heritage, or the Marxist-Leninists, etc.

Tired_Of_You
11-03-2004, 04:30 AM
Just thought I would correct:

It is the Conservative Party of Canada, which is a merger of the two former right wing parties, the Canadian Alliance (most right) and the Progressive Conservatives. It got off on a half decent start.

Also, the liberal party is, in theory, a "central" party. Right wingers will believe they lean left, whereas the radical left consider them ultra right wing. It partly depends on who's in power at the time, and the makeup of the government (minority/majority/opposition/etc). So, for the record, central.

Also, honourable mentions goes to the Green Party of Canada which has made considerable progress in being represented by candidates throughout the country, although they didn't gain any seats. Surprisingly, from what I understand, although they are very pro-environment, they are actually right wing on many social/economic issues.

Finally, there are very under-represented parties like the Christian Heritage, or the Marxist-Leninists, etc.

Thanks for the corrections, I'm not that good at politics.
I didn't write the ones who don't have seats because it would have been too long so that's why I didn't write the Green Party, Communists and all the other who don't have seats in the house of Commons.

The Cheshire Cat
11-03-2004, 09:57 AM
Yeah, it's really the four main parties now. I think there's one independant seat in the house of commons.

Betty
11-03-2004, 04:16 PM
Well, I just think the Green Party is important since they had somebody running in each riding and actually got a substantial chunk of the popular vote. It's true they're not really a main party though... yet.

Sexy Panda
11-15-2004, 06:55 PM
I hope I do this justice. Our two main parties are pretty broad so you can't really lock them down to far right far left centre etc.

Socialist Alliance - Our socialist party, on the far left (I think there is a communist party somewhere but it usually get's about 3 votes). Not very popular it grabs less than 1% nationally.

Greens - Similar to the US greens. Pro environment and opposition to the war in Iraq are it's main policies that get the media attention but they fill the rest in with socialism. They are the big improvers in the last decade. They grabbed 7% of the vote nationally (not as much as some thought they would).

Australian Labor Party - (Left - Centre) The traditional party of the workers/unions. Over the last 20 years they have moved to the right a bit economically but are a very broad church. On social issues they are generally liberal. The current opposition.

Democrats - Centre. This party is an offshoot of the Liberal Party. They have held the balance of power in the senate for the last 20 years, and work with the Government of the day to make the policies less 'extreme' perhaps. They have suffered from infighting over the last 5 years, and have also lost the cool 3rd party image. They are basically dead in the water and have 3 years before they are wiped out. Nobody believes they can do anything about it.

The Liberal Party (Centre-Right) - The current Government. Once again a broad party. Free market, privatisation etc (the usual from a right wing party). In the 1980's the party was split between the economic centre and right. The right won that war and the party is usually divided on social issues these days (however party members don't cross the floor on issues anymore, it's more of an internal debate). The current Prime Minister John Howard leans more to the conservative side of things but the party can go either way (for stem cell research, against gay marriage, split on abortion). They won power in the senate this election (hasn't happened since 1983) and no longer have to deal with independents or the democrats).

The Nationals - They were once called the country party and they are the party of rural Australia (farmers). Socially conservative and economically protectionist. They form a coalition government with the Liberals. They are slowly declining in power (losing seats to the liberals and independents), but maintained the status quo this election.

One Nation - I'm sure many heard of good ol Pauline Hanson. One Nation is the party she started. The national socialists of Australia, they are against asian immigration, aboriginal benefits, free market etc. They scared everyone in the 1998 election when they did quite well grabbing almost 10% of the vote, however they died a very quick death soon after. They aren't players on the National scale.

I support the Liberal Party, however at times it is frustrating.

SicN Twisted
11-15-2004, 07:53 PM
John Howard can kiss my ass.

So can the Quebecois. They claim to be French, but their bastardized version of the language is so uncomprehensible that they have no right to claim heritige.

Nicole
11-25-2004, 03:58 PM
I hope I do this justice. Our two main parties are pretty broad so you can't really lock them down to far right far left centre etc.

Socialist Alliance - Our socialist party, on the far left (I think there is a communist party somewhere but it usually get's about 3 votes). Not very popular it grabs less than 1% nationally.

Greens - Similar to the US greens. Pro environment and opposition to the war in Iraq are it's main policies that get the media attention but they fill the rest in with socialism. They are the big improvers in the last decade. They grabbed 7% of the vote nationally (not as much as some thought they would).

Australian Labor Party - (Left - Centre) The traditional party of the workers/unions. Over the last 20 years they have moved to the right a bit economically but are a very broad church. On social issues they are generally liberal. The current opposition.

Democrats - Centre. This party is an offshoot of the Liberal Party. They have held the balance of power in the senate for the last 20 years, and work with the Government of the day to make the policies less 'extreme' perhaps. They have suffered from infighting over the last 5 years, and have also lost the cool 3rd party image. They are basically dead in the water and have 3 years before they are wiped out. Nobody believes they can do anything about it.

The Liberal Party (Centre-Right) - The current Government. Once again a broad party. Free market, privatisation etc (the usual from a right wing party). In the 1980's the party was split between the economic centre and right. The right won that war and the party is usually divided on social issues these days (however party members don't cross the floor on issues anymore, it's more of an internal debate). The current Prime Minister John Howard leans more to the conservative side of things but the party can go either way (for stem cell research, against gay marriage, split on abortion). They won power in the senate this election (hasn't happened since 1983) and no longer have to deal with independents or the democrats).

The Nationals - They were once called the country party and they are the party of rural Australia (farmers). Socially conservative and economically protectionist. They form a coalition government with the Liberals. They are slowly declining in power (losing seats to the liberals and independents), but maintained the status quo this election.

One Nation - I'm sure many heard of good ol Pauline Hanson. One Nation is the party she started. The national socialists of Australia, they are against asian immigration, aboriginal benefits, free market etc. They scared everyone in the 1998 election when they did quite well grabbing almost 10% of the vote, however they died a very quick death soon after. They aren't players on the National scale.

I support the Liberal Party, however at times it is frustrating.

You forgot Family First, the gay-bashing right wing party.

And I have no idea how you can support Liberal when they're erroding our democracy.

Italia311
11-25-2004, 09:53 PM
Canada.

Liberal Government since 1993. I am a supporter of the liberal party, best primeminister ever in canada was a liberal...

- Pierre Trudeau. Greatest Canadian.

smashedbear
11-26-2004, 12:10 PM
You forgot Family First, the gay-bashing right wing party.

And I have no idea how you can support Liberal when they're erroding our democracy.


Judging from her frustration I'll go with saying that she's a "wet" and not socially conservative?

Of course this is an assumption and she can tell me if I'm right or not.

joe howell
11-29-2004, 03:48 AM
aaah family first, bunch of christan fucktards, against gays and stem cell research, fuckeads

Tired_Of_You
11-29-2004, 01:27 PM
So can the Quebecois. They claim to be French, but their bastardized version of the language is so uncomprehensible that they have no right to claim heritige.


I really hope you're joking. The way we talk in French is almost the same way as in 1800, we didn't bastardized it. We have different expressions of the French from France, but hey it's normal and it's just a different accent. Americans and people from England have a different accent too.

Italia311
11-29-2004, 08:36 PM
Lets just get one thing straight though...You're not French. You're Canadian. Unless of course you were born in France.

Sexy Panda
11-30-2004, 06:42 AM
Judging from her frustration I'll go with saying that she's a "wet" and not socially conservative?

Of course this is an assumption and she can tell me if I'm right or not.

You know male pandas can be sexy too. I feel so emasculated right now.

Fuck man I'm glad to see your still here, I forgot about you. Yeah I am a 'wet' although we are called 'moderates' now.

I forgot about Family First, although it remains to be seen how well they will do. They got their senate spot because Labor and Democrats preferenced them to try and sure up a Labor senate spot AND BOY DID IT BACKFIRE.

I'm just glad we did end up getting power in the senate because we all know Howard would have done deals with Family First and I think that would have been enough for me to join the socialists (even though I find them very scary and annoying).

That isn't really because of their ideology but more because they can't work out how to use microphones or loudspeakers. The leader of the socialist group at my last uni used to shout into the loudspeaker and mumble when he didn't have one. Talk about a fuckwit. Anyway enough of my rambling.