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bhg_rulz2
04-19-2005, 08:57 PM
german??

what the hell!!...in the news said that he were with the nazi people..wtf?

anyway...hope he is good!!...his face looks like his a good guy :P!

ninth
04-19-2005, 09:01 PM
OMGZ ALL GERMANS R TEH NAZIS.
Now for a true stereotype:
Mexicans are lazy and their opinions are invalid.

T3H 3ND

Omni
04-19-2005, 09:04 PM
He wasn't sterotyping. He really was affiliated with the Nazis for some time. But it was one of those things where he was young, and foolish and he just got "swept up" in it.

JohnnyNemesis
04-19-2005, 09:13 PM
german??

what the hell!!...in the news said that he were with the nazi people..wtf?

anyway...hope he is good!!...his face looks like his a good guy :P!

I noticed you posted something here.

Don't do that.

ninth
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
Maybe it was his broken English that did it, but from his wording it seemed as if he was stating that the guy was currently involved with Nazis.

Understand the miscommunication?

in the news said that he were with the nazi people..

Sunny
04-19-2005, 09:17 PM
I'm not too excited about the new pope, frankly.
Apparently he used to be in the Hitler Youth and then an anti-aircraft unit.

Lovely.

I'm not sure if this is true, but someone told me he once stated that he'd rather have a smaller church, but a "pure" one. urg. ring a bell?

So, not to offend anyone, but it seems like the new pope is a homophobic, anti-feminist, conservative former nazi douchebag. eck?

ninth
04-19-2005, 09:18 PM
As all popes should be.

Endymion
04-19-2005, 09:18 PM
k
He wasn't sterotyping. He really was affiliated with the Nazis for some time. But it was one of those things where he was young, and foolish and he just got "swept up" in it.

mob mentality is never an excuse.

arak0r
04-19-2005, 09:28 PM
took me by surprise. i was thinking it was gonna be that guy from africa, or someone from latin america. i dont think i like this new guy.

HornyPope
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
I read the news a mere several hours ago. I knew right away it will become subject to a great--however lame--debate.

http://bedlam.dreamwater.org/nazipoop.jpg

Sunny
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
i thought Arinze was going to be the new pope. bah.


And I was hoping for a liberal (well, as liberal as a pope can be, that is). Perhaps a more progressive approach to homosexuality could help end hate crimes in strongly Catholic countries (such as my home country).

oh well.

JoY
04-20-2005, 03:43 AM
about every German kid joined the Hitler Jugend. it seemed fun, like boy-scouts & it was a new rage & moms & dads would be proud if you did.
cowards.

I'm not enthousiastic about this pope, because I wouldn't really be tempted to be enthousiastic about any pope. I'm quite indifferent towards the whole Vatican bullshit. but even in all my indifference, I don't like this guy already.

Vera
04-20-2005, 06:32 AM
Agreeing what JoY said, because didn't we all learn this in History class, guys?

Nazi Germany wasn't a cool place to live in, okay? People could be sentenced and even sent to concentration camps just for disagreeing with Hitler. It's true that some Germans hid Jews in their homes and some fled the country, but when you're 14, you're not allowed to make that decision, your parents make it for you.

From what I understand, the mentality was "Go along with us or get shot in the face".

Also, it's hard to understand the power of propaganda by just laughing at the Soviet Union's "Unite, thou workers!"-posters and watching some of the cartoons from Hitler's Germany where Jews were always the bad guys. If propaganda is what you get every day from every newspaper you read, every radio program you listen to, even songs, theater shows, advertisements, all of those play their little part in making you believe what the government wants to make you believe, you eventually start to believe in it.

It's possible that he was a Nazi and a passionate one, but consider this: he was 14 at the time. Hell, I don't agree with half the things I thought were the shit when I was 14 and I'm only just turning 18. At 14, you don't know shit. Like Bella said, Hitler Youth was like summer camp. If his parents believed in propaganda, it didn't seem like a big deal - he didn't think to question it.

At 14, none of us probably would've. Especially if our parents still talk about depression and inflation and how Hitler made it all better.

And even if he was a Nazi, do you think that he actually still is? World War II ended several decades ago. I'm certain every German who's lived then has had deep thoughts about the whole thing, awful regrets about the things they could've done to prevent it. The way I see it, Germany has had to carry this burden for such a long time. It's a completely different country now.

Only young stupid fucks are Neo-Nazis in Germany right now. I don't think anyone who survived that period is proud of Germany's past and Hitler's actions.

In conclusion, I'm sorry to say this but I think it's deeply ignorant of you to call him a Nazi. He may be conservative, but hey, he's a Catholic cardinal, OF COURSE he is conservative. Realistically thinking I think a lot of Catholics would be alienated by a completely liberal Pope.

The Catholic religion is taking baby steps to actually reach this millennium. 2000 years and this baby's still in diapers. Benedict XVI might be another step forward but really, can the Catholic church get any more conservative?

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-20-2005, 06:37 AM
So, not to offend anyone, but it seems like the new pope is a homophobic, anti-feminist, conservative former nazi douchebag. eck?

I believe he also said Catholicism was not only better than all other faiths, but also every other Christian denomination.

So, a nice, tolerant Pope then.

Vera
04-20-2005, 06:43 AM
He said that years ago. Yes, it shocked and made a lot people angry.

Did I not post the yahoo news link to this topic? Well, here goes: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050420/ap_on_re_eu/pope

That doesn't sound like, "Catholism über alles, mothafuckas!". It sounds like, "Hey, y'all cool wi' me!".

Crystalier
04-20-2005, 07:43 AM
I read the news a mere several hours ago. I knew right away it will become subject to a great--however lame--debate.

http://bedlam.dreamwater.org/nazipoop.jpg


I'm sorry but I think this picture is very tawdrily. You should have respect because his office is one of the most important in the world. I've read a few comments and I've to say that everyone should be very careful in what they are saying. *Think before you write*

Sunny
04-20-2005, 07:43 AM
ack, i'm not saying he's a nazi to this day. i said "former". ;p

we're all cool with him as long as we're "proper christians". you know, straight and male and stuff.


"He has denounced rock music, dismissed anyone who had tried to find "feminist" meanings in the Bible, and last year told American bishops it was appropriate to deny Communion to those who support abortion and euthanasia."

Sunny
04-20-2005, 07:47 AM
I'm sorry but I think this picture is very tawdrily. You should have respect because his office is one of the most important in the world. I've read a few comments and I've to say that everyone should be very careful in what they are saying. *Think before you write*

Why?

so you're saying that anyone who sits on the throne of St Peter is therefore beyond criticism? god didn't elect this guy. people did. and he's not god himself, either, he's just a man. And as a man he's flawed. Quite obviously so.

Besides, if you're Christian, you should believe we're all equal in god's eyes, since we're all his children. So we all have the right to express our opinion on the new leader of the church. Which won't always be positive.

I refuse to truly respect anyone who claims to be a practicing Catholic, yet doesn't follow the word of Jesus - which is to try to accept/love everyone as if they were your brothers and sisters. This guy sure doesn't seem full of love to me.

JohnnyNemesis
04-20-2005, 07:49 AM
so you're saying that anyone who sits on the throne of St Peter is therefore beyond criticism? god didn't elect this guy. people did. and he's not god himself, either, he's just a man. And as a man he's flawed. Quite obviously so.

Of course he's beyond criticism! Who told you that women like you were allowed to have an opinion, Sunny?! Never question authority! Ever ever everrrrr. Think before you write, cross your legs, don't look directly into my eyes, and go make me a sandwich.

In other words, Crystalier just annoyed the hell out of me.

Sunny
04-20-2005, 07:55 AM
i should also pop out some babies while i'm busy making food for the head of the household, shouldn't i.

and then clean up.

Vera
04-20-2005, 08:05 AM
Sunny, wasn't really referring to you, I don't consider you very ignorant. Today I heard some guys on the subway calling him a Nazi in all seriousness. And that sort of stupidity just pisses me off.

Anyway, the new Pope being German made an excellent topic for my one minute speech in German class.

It's true that he was one of the most conservative candidates. The Italian that was considered very seriously as the next Pope was considered way more liberal.

These are uncertain times, I guess. I don't like the fact he's called the "Panzer Pope" or whatever. Would be cool to have a Pope who's not all "Gays are teh evil!" but in all realism, I doubt it'll happen as long as I'm alive. :/

Thank God for Christianity's multiple interpretations. The day I want to believe, I'll just make up my own branch of Christianity to follow.

Izie
04-20-2005, 08:23 AM
Hm, I figure that, in case the new pope really turns out to be conservative beyond belief, he should excommunicate Belgium and the Netherlands from the Catholic community.

Okay, I'm kidding, but it does sort of make sense, doesn't it?

No wonder the deputy-prime minister of Belgium and their cardinal were quite dissatisfied with the election.

Then again, if you ask me, he's probably going to have to try and be a bit more liberal than he'd like to, it's not like he can do everything he wants to the way he wants to anyway.

JoY
04-20-2005, 08:30 AM
I agree, Sanni. very explicit & well said.

Endymion
04-20-2005, 09:01 AM
why has no one pointed out that he was mandatorily enlisted, never saw combat (built AA guns), and deserted before end of the war?

and whoever said not to make fun of him--fuck off. most of us live in free countries and willfully exercise our right to make fun of a person, no matter what 'position of authority' they hold. that and most of us aren't catholics. and he seems to be even more intolerant than good ol' bushy.

Noodles is gay
04-20-2005, 09:12 AM
^ damn, i wanted to be the one to point out that he was forced into the Hitler youth - as all German kids like him were.

Now for some of his opinions:

Rock Music:
"Vehicle of anti-religion"

Cloning:
"A more dangerous threat than weapons of mass destruction."

Homosexuality:
"intrinsic moral evil"


And lastly (the only one i actually do agree with):

Mass in language other than Latin:
"A tragic breach"



Dear me...*shakes head*

foxy
04-20-2005, 09:26 AM
^ damn, i wanted to be the one to point out that he was forced into the Hitler youth - as all German kids like him were.

Now for some of his opinions:

Rock Music:
"Vehicle of anti-religion"

Cloning:
"A more dangerous threat than weapons of mass destruction."

Homosexuality:
"intrinsic moral evil"


And lastly (the only one i actually do agree with):

Mass in language other than Latin:
"A tragic breach"



Dear me...*shakes head*

you thing gays are ok your a fucking weirdo you know that

JohnnyNemesis
04-20-2005, 09:30 AM
foxy needs to stop existing already.

Whoa! Deja vu! I think I've said that a million times by now.

This is the part where you say "well i do so fuk youuu :mad: :mad: ".

Nina
04-20-2005, 10:18 AM
he was in the hitler youth for one year because he was FORCED into it. as were a lot of other male germans over 18 years.

thats what i heard.

honestly, i am sick of this nazi bullshit. i can tolerate a lot but calling him (or any other german, while we are at it) a nazi is just ridiculous. get over it already.

Iddy
04-20-2005, 10:21 AM
I believe he also said Catholicism was not only better than all other faiths, but also every other Christian denomination.

Catholicism was the original christian religion. In my opinion, other denominations of christianity are religions of convenience.

Vera
04-20-2005, 10:24 AM
Yeah, and God wrote the Bible.

notoriousdoc
04-20-2005, 10:27 AM
^ damn, i wanted to be the one to point out that he was forced into the Hitler youth - as all German kids like him were.

Now for some of his opinions:

Rock Music:
"Vehicle of anti-religion"

Cloning:
"A more dangerous threat than weapons of mass destruction."

Homosexuality:
"intrinsic moral evil"


And lastly (the only one i actually do agree with):

Mass in language other than Latin:
"A tragic breach"



Dear me...*shakes head*


bastard, he should go to hell... DAMNIT! he's too goddamn holy bollocks...

http://www.roll-ups.co.uk/ishop/images/879/pope.jpg

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/user_images/pics/1/4089000/ngbbs41db4620894a8.jpg

http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Newbie-Pope.jpg

Nina
04-20-2005, 10:29 AM
how old are you?! ten?

...oh shit i just looked; you were born 1992.


...


..hahahaha.

notoriousdoc
04-20-2005, 10:31 AM
how old are you?! ten?

...oh shit i just looked; you were born 1992.


...


..hahahaha.

i am intelligent and handsome beyond my years, child. come, and i shall not smote you, but indeed bless you...
anyway what's your problem im nice and you're probably nice just... chill, babe

Nina
04-20-2005, 10:32 AM
how cute.


...no.

notoriousdoc
04-20-2005, 10:35 AM
how cute.


...no.

WHAT IS YOUR FRICKIN' PROBLEM? why cant you be nice???

Vera
04-20-2005, 11:00 AM
Because you're a dumb little punk and we've all seen way too many of those.

Sunny
04-20-2005, 11:12 AM
you thing gays are ok your a fucking weirdo you know that

they are certainly far more ok than borderline retarded lower life forms such as yourself.

i've said this many times on this board and i'll say it again: please consider
1) sterilization,
2) suicide.

JohnnyNemesis
04-20-2005, 11:18 AM
you thing gays are ok your a fucking weirdo you know that

Oh, and for the record, I also think punctuation and proper spelling are okay. I'm surprised you haven't gone crazy on me over that, since it's an issue that clearly effects you directly.

notoriousdoc
04-20-2005, 11:56 AM
Because you're a dumb little punk and we've all seen way too many of those.

go castrate yerself

Izie
04-20-2005, 11:59 AM
Congragulations, you've just proven Vera's point!

notoriousdoc
04-20-2005, 12:03 PM
Congragulations, you've just proven Vera's point!

hmm, you're correct. thank you for that izie

vera, i am sorry...
http://vicric.com/graphics/grovel.jpg

ShadowPyro
04-20-2005, 12:50 PM
I dont want to offend anyone here who really likes the new pope.... but I dont really like him that much. He was affiliated with Nazis…. Then again, like Vera said the Nazis, rule was “Join or be shot” I think that stuff he also said about the church needs to be a pure church is bullshit, and Catholicism is best…That’s just going against Catholicism’s own teachings of being kind, and not mistreating people on their beliefs.

Endymion
04-20-2005, 01:05 PM
Oh, and for the record, I also think punctuation and proper spelling are okay. I'm surprised you haven't gone crazy on me over that, since it's an issue that clearly effects you directly.

http://www.csulb.edu/%7Erjames/grammar.jpg

affect, johnny. affect.

HornyPope
04-20-2005, 01:10 PM
ALL GERMANS ARE NAZIS.

thank you

RXP
04-20-2005, 01:28 PM
http://www.wurzeltod.ch/blog/ice_swastikas.jpg

Proof

DUNCS
04-20-2005, 04:07 PM
I'm not a religous person, so probably makes what i've got to say invalid, but i'm going to say it anyway.
I personally could'nt give a rats arse what nationality the pope is, the hitler youth thing, get a grip min, everyone was forced into that.
As long as the pope still maintains the point of always voting for peace then i'll be content.
As for the gays, femenist things, i personally think whether or not the pope is in favour of either of them will make little difference, maybe the catholic church is still living in the 1950s, but most of western sociaty has moved on.
And you may say, but he has influence in over 1 billion folk, AYE RIGHT, funny how all these people came out of the woodwork in the last month or so, where were they before that?
Although he still is likely to have a great influence in third world countries, where religeon is still a major part of the majority of the populations life.
And if you ask me, that is africa FUCKED!!!
Now they'll have to wait till the next pope comes along to say, "yes use a condom and stop aids spreading", but this guy doesnt give the impression that he is going to do that.

Iddy
04-20-2005, 04:14 PM
its an ignorant thing to blame the church over the AIDS crisis. In Africa during the genocides, 1000's of women were infected with HIV after being forcefully raped (usually after their husbands and sons were shot). THese women then have children who will have the virus and then their children will it, and the crisis continues. simple ceaseran's could help curb the spread of HIV from mother to child, but these need specialised equipment and training and therefore lots of money. Its also almost impossible to ceaseran every pregnant women in Africa. I also read a case in the paper where a women had unprotected sex for money to feed her family, and caught HIV. The lack of condom use is also attributed to cultures where masculinity is seen to be damaged by their use (and thats not just in Africa ok... most men hate them). Blame the church and you've just got a scapegoat... i know their attitude doesn't help, but its not the only cause of the crisis.

DUNCS
04-20-2005, 04:27 PM
Yes it would be ignorant to blame the church for AIDS, glad i did'nt, i said, stop the spread of AIDS. As there is a great amount of catholic followers in Africa that are likely to be strict beleivers, they will then beleive that using a condom is wrong. Result, AIDS spreads further.
Or have i got something wrong there?

Iddy
04-20-2005, 04:54 PM
alot of people are blaming the church for the AIDS crisis, i wasn't ranting at you personally... however by saying that AIDS spreads further due to the large catholic following in Africa not using protection is in a way belittling to the African people. A large amount of the world is catholic and a large percentage of catholics do use protection regardless of the Church. The church's standpoint is that sex is for within marriage, and marriage is for raising children, contraception prevents this. Choosing to have sex outside of marriage results in the persons responsibility to protect themselves, that is outside of the church's reach. The African people are not stupid, why would they not use contraception outside of marriage. Maybe the spread of AIDS is also within marriage.

DUNCS
04-20-2005, 05:05 PM
I would'nt say that folk in Africa are stupid, but maybe un educated?
But I'm going to have to end it there, as its a combination of
you making far too much sence.
clearly knowing more about this than i do.
And me being really tired.(got to be up early for uni)
G'nite.

DUNCS
04-20-2005, 05:07 PM
P.S. Having just read my last post, it may give the impression of me being sarcastic, but i'm not being sarcastic.

Iddy
04-20-2005, 05:08 PM
sorry about that :) i tend to go into things too much

good night

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-20-2005, 05:33 PM
Catholicism was the original christian religion. In my opinion, other denominations of christianity are religions of convenience.

*Spits out water*

Quiet, you. Judaism is far, far, far older than Catholicism. It's attitudes like THAT that force us to have an arrogant Pope.

punkangel
04-20-2005, 05:48 PM
german??

what the hell!!...in the news said that he were with the nazi people..wtf?

anyway...hope he is good!!...his face looks like his a good guy :P!


His name, Benedit, means egg

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-20-2005, 05:50 PM
His name's Benedict, and I don't think it does.

punkangel
04-20-2005, 05:54 PM
His name's Benedict, and I don't think it does.


so what if I spelled it wrong? and yes, it does

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-20-2005, 06:00 PM
In what language?

punkangel
04-20-2005, 06:02 PM
In what language?


I don't know...but this morning when I was going to skool I was listening to AM radio(my dad loves it) and they said that it means egg

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-20-2005, 06:02 PM
To the meal "Eggs Benedict" infact means "Eggs Egg"?

turb0negr0
04-20-2005, 06:04 PM
ben·e·dict:

A newly married man who was previously considered a confirmed bachelor.

punkangel
04-20-2005, 06:05 PM
To the meal "Eggs Benedict" infact means "Eggs Egg"?


I don't know...Kkar said it

punkangel
04-20-2005, 06:06 PM
ben·e·dict:

A newly married man who was previously considered a confirmed bachelor.


he knows how to use a dictionary...WOW

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-20-2005, 06:07 PM
Heaven forbid I should question Nebraskan AM radio; famous around the world for it's extensive knowledge of foreign languages.

I've looked it up for French, Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch and Portugese, and in none of those is Benedict the word for eggs.

turb0negr0
04-20-2005, 06:08 PM
he knows how to use a dictionary...WOW



That's what most people do when they don't know the definition of a word.

punkangel
04-20-2005, 06:11 PM
Heaven forbid I should question Nebraskan AM radio; famous around the world for it's extensive knowledge of foreign languages.

I've looked it up for French, Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch and Portugese, and in none of those is Benedict the word for eggs.


Nebraska sux!!!
GET ME OUT OF THIS HELL!!!!

Proph
04-20-2005, 07:14 PM
I was bored and i did this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/steplang/palpatine.gif

Endymion
04-20-2005, 07:54 PM
you fail.

http://www.csulb.edu/%7Erjames/pope1.jpghttp://www.csulb.edu/%7Erjames/pope2.jpghttp://www.csulb.edu/%7Erjames/pope3.jpghttp://www.csulb.edu/%7Erjames/newpope.jpg

HornyPope
04-20-2005, 07:59 PM
I'm confused whether this is Lord Rayden or Emperor Palpatine?

Vera
04-21-2005, 06:52 AM
i've said this many times on this board and i'll say it again: please consider
1) sterilization,
2) suicide.
You forgot
3) all of the above.

Iddy
04-21-2005, 07:03 AM
*Spits out water*

Quiet, you. Judaism is far, far, far older than Catholicism. It's attitudes like THAT that force us to have an arrogant Pope.


Judaism is not Christianity

Endymion
04-21-2005, 07:21 AM
Catholicism was the original christian religion. In my opinion, other denominations of christianity are religions of convenience.


Quiet, you. Judaism is far, far, far older than Catholicism. It's attitudes like THAT that force us to have an arrogant Pope.Judaism is not Christianity

he never said it was--but using your logic of original = true, judaism = more original = more true.

Iddy
04-21-2005, 07:43 AM
am i missing something here?

i stated that catholicism was the original christian religion. he said judaism is older than catholicism, implying that they are the same (so yes he did say it was) yet christianity and judaism are not the same so his arguement makes no sense.


my original albeit slightly controversial statement was my own opinion. being brought up strict catholic myself i find the other denominations alter the religion for their own ends.. maybe i'm biased, but thats what i see.

Izie
04-21-2005, 11:19 AM
i stated that catholicism was the original christian religion.

Care to explain how you came to this conclusion?

Iddy
04-21-2005, 11:22 AM
Care to explain how you came to this conclusion?

because it was... the Catholic Church was the original christian church. its gone through schisms over the years and seperated, but catholicism was the original.

Izie
04-21-2005, 11:25 AM
because it was... the Catholic Church was the original christian church. its gone through schisms over the years and seperated, but catholicism was the original.

Such a profound explanation. Good that it has a lot of facts to support it!

Vera
04-21-2005, 11:26 AM
I guess he sort of missed the fact that Catholic religion and the Orthodox religion separated from the "original" Christianity back in the good ol' days when the Roman empire separated into two empires.

Iddy
04-21-2005, 11:34 AM
I believe he also said Catholicism was not only better than all other faiths, but also every other Christian denomination.

So, a nice, tolerant Pope then.

^^^^my statement was in reference to this^^^^


First off.. the pope is head of the CATHOLIC church, not every denomination of christianity. of course he is going to be more in favour of it than others. however, thats the way it is, not the way it should be.

second, my own opinion is that the denominations that split from the church altered the religion somewhat... made it more palettable for themselves maybe? i'm thinking mostly about the Church of England, so yeah maybe in that sense it is quite profound. but it is my opinion.

As Vera said, the catholic and orthodox church did split. but the orthodox church split from the Catholic church, so still the original christian denomination is catholicism.

btw.. was the 'I guess he sort of missed the fact...' part aimed at me, because i'm a she =)

Vera
04-21-2005, 11:44 AM
In my opinion one can't say one branch of Christianity is "true" because every one of them is just based on an interpretation of the Bible.

I've read the Bible and I don't think Jesus would want people to hate on gay people. That's my interpretation. It's not correct but neither is it incorrect.

It seems like an awful thing to do, to try to prove your own prejudice against people by looking into the Bible. Religion doesn't create religious assholes, it's the religious assholes who create the religion.

Iddy
04-21-2005, 11:46 AM
i never said catholicism was true, i just said it was the original (or the first if it makes more sense). There is lots i do not agree with in the catholic teaching, and i don't actively partake in it anymore.

Izie
04-21-2005, 11:48 AM
As Vera said, the catholic and orthodox church did split. but the orthodox church split from the Catholic church, so still the original christian denomination is catholicism.

Vera said neither is original anymore. As they aren't, they both changed. Random fact though, the change that the catholics put into the Nicene Creed (filioque clause), and the fact they wanted more authority for the pope caused the 1054 schism. So, yes, they changed the tradition (and thus the original christendom), very original of them.

Endymion
04-21-2005, 03:02 PM
catholicism branched off of judaims as much as, say, the methodists branched off of catholicism.