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TheUnholyNightbringer
04-26-2005, 07:49 PM
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/polltracker/html/polltracker.stm

At time of writing, the polls stand at:

Labour: 40%
Conservative: 30%
LibDem: 21%
Other: 9%

Looks like it's going to be another Labour landslide.

Rye
04-26-2005, 09:32 PM
Is labour like the Republicans in America? Or would that be the conservatives (as they are sometimes referred to as here). Sorry if I seem like a dumbass; I know nothing of European politics but I wan't to learn.

wheelchairman
04-26-2005, 10:27 PM
Labor, is a lot more like the democrats. It's a huge party though, so at times they seem like right-wing democrats (foreign policy wise) but they do more for social benefits than most democrats in the US do.

Rye
04-27-2005, 12:39 AM
Oh, I see. They would fail over here, then..

Chris
04-27-2005, 05:06 PM
I'm almost spoilt for choice for who to vote for...hmmm.

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-27-2005, 06:43 PM
Personally, I'm a LibDem through and through. I'm a member of the Youth Party. LibDem voters seem to be very lazy though.. we'd have at least 30% of the vote if everyone who wants to vote LibDem actually does. Though I suppose this is little more than speculation.

Chris, I suppose the nearest equivalent to the American Republicans are the Conservatives.

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-27-2005, 08:36 PM
Crikey! In the latest opinion polls, Labour have absolutely nosedived - they are now only 2 points clear of the Conservatives. At the time of writing:

Labour: 36%
Conservative: 34%
LibDem: 23%
Other: 7%

(Again, source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/polltracker/html/polltracker.stm)

Chris
04-28-2005, 07:48 AM
Well, its a conservative/lib dem area over here, and in my own distorted view, I'm stuck between hardline and pussy-footing policies - I have confidence in no one.

ermdevi@tion
04-28-2005, 08:38 AM
British politics is so mundane. The constant squabble for the centre ground based on personality and not policy turns the voters off. That's why we get <50% turnouts. Hopefully the Tories will win and it will spark a leftward swing from Labour, but I doubt it.

And what's the deal with all our leftist parties? So many small squabling factions with only fractional ideological differences that the average person wouldn't even recognise - at least in Scotland we have the SSP, but they still aren't my total cup of tea.

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-28-2005, 04:58 PM
I don't find British politics to be mundane at all - though I agree that a lot of parties seem to focus far more on personalities of their opponents rather than the issues. The party most guilty of this (IMHO) are the Conservatives. Not a day goes by that I dont see a headline on the front of the Daily Mail slagging off Tony Blair for something-or-other.

By the way, again IMHO, the Daily Mail is an absolute rag of an atrocity of a paper. Completely prejudiced, ridiculously paranoid and sometimes outright racist. I rate the Daily Star higher than the Daily Mail - and believe me, that is saying a LOT.

Chris
04-28-2005, 06:13 PM
Watching Question Time tonight with all three leaders was relatively interesting, although perhaps less questions on the whole Iraq debacle and more on our actual country would have been more relevant and helpful. Shame no one really got a grilling although was a bit funny anyway when some of the audience wouldn't shut the hell up at the end.

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-28-2005, 06:24 PM
It makes me sad that the Iraq war seems to be the #1 issue in this debate. Education and health? Nah, fuck that, let's talk about the war some more.

Chris
04-28-2005, 06:33 PM
All I can say is that it looks like i'll be finishing university just at the right time (ignoring my 10k debts woop)

RXP
04-29-2005, 01:00 AM
It makes me sad that the Iraq war seems to be the #1 issue in this debate. Education and health? Nah, fuck that, let's talk about the war some more.

That's cause people are fucking stupid brainwashed cunts. I HOPE Conservatives get in so they can fuck up this country and never get in again. Thus the lib dem opposition will be entrenched and labour will be free to become a more socialist party without fear of the fucking conservatives.

I really don't understand how people can vote for them. I heard a radio advert yesterday for them

"we think hard working people deserve to be rewarded by less taxes"

What a fucking load of bull shit. Makes me angry.

Bazza
04-29-2005, 01:36 AM
i'm missing out on voting by 3months. would have liked to vote, propbably for labour.

my physics teacher is standing in my region, he's for the English Democrats party.

Jesus
04-29-2005, 02:37 AM
I'd vote lib dems if I were British, simply because Blair's foreign policy is just horrible (serbia till iraq) and lack of pushing progressive things (legalised euthanasia, gay marriage are just some things) and his socio-economic plans (like with the students) are a bit better than conservatives (pretty obvious), but are still a lot on the right of what I want them to be.

RXP I don't think labour will move more to the left after the conservatives are in, well it probably depends on who will be the follow up of Blair i suppose. Because labour appears to become more and more like the US democrats and thus trying their best to lose elections (by moving to the right). ;-) Your electoral system doesn't help either.

ermdevi@tion
04-29-2005, 08:31 AM
I woulda gone with RXP over the Labour issue. If the Conservatives won power, then I reckon there'd be a greater Old Labour reaction. But then again, maybe they'd just hit us with the "our economy was teh roxx0r under Blair" and continue their drift to the right.

Vicky
04-29-2005, 09:04 AM
I got a letter in the post this morning from our local labour MP, asking me if I was going to vote for them. If they'd've researched who they were sending that to, properly, they'd realise I'm not 18 until 16 days after the election :/
I wouldn't of voted for them anyway, and I wrote a letter back enclosing my BNP leaflet. Lib Dems for moi

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-29-2005, 09:23 AM
For a horrible, horrific moment there, I thought you were going to vote for the BNP. My heart plummeted.

Vicky
04-29-2005, 09:28 AM
For a horrible, horrific moment there, I thought you were going to vote for the BNP. My heart plummeted.

I joke about it, but I'm not. I just got a BNP leaflet for our local candidate in the post a few days ago!

Jimbob2005
04-29-2005, 09:55 AM
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/polltracker/html/polltracker.stm

At time of writing, the polls stand at:

Labour: 40%
Conservative: 30%
LibDem: 21%
Other: 9%

Looks like it's going to be another Labour landslide.
The BIG THREE are all evil, but conservatives are the least evil. I don't know who'd vote for labour. Conservatives don't want to raise taxes or keep expensive student tuition fees (and it applies to me as I will go to unit in 2006). If I couldn't vote for the BIG THREE I'd go for UKIP. I just hope labour gets their ass kicked, I do NOT want Tony Blair to become PM again.

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 10:11 AM
what is the point of voting in england anymore? Only rich people and the misled middle classes will vote for the tories, as they screwed up the country last time they were in power. As for the liberal democrats, they won't get in because the majority are biased towards Labour or *spits* Conservatives. Labour will stay in power, even though Mr. Blair has frequently lied and covered up many things he didn't want the public to see, such as the lastest thing; the illegality of OIL ( operation Iraqi liberation). UKIP won't get in because they're a minority and bunch of complete nutters. The Green party won't get in because most of the voters don't give enough of a toss about the to mark their box. RESPECT won't get in because socialism is only cool for "hippies", even though it's probably the only one I would choose. All the other parties mean nothing as not one would get ANY power. Anarchy is the only real choice from now in. But even that is not available as everything is called by the Illuminati, the powers that be, as such. Rise my brothers and sisters, we shall revolt!

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 10:13 AM
The BIG THREE are all evil, but conservatives are the least evil. I don't know who'd vote for labour. Conservatives don't want to raise taxes or keep expensive student tuition fees (and it applies to me as I will go to unit in 2006). If I couldn't vote for the BIG THREE I'd go for UKIP. I just hope labour gets their ass kicked, I do NOT want Tony Blair to become PM again.

*chokes on pretzel* aaggrrhh!! you stupid, misled moron! conservatives suck!

Jimbob2005
04-29-2005, 10:22 AM
*chokes on pretzel* aaggrrhh!! you stupid, misled moron! conservatives suck!
Calm down. OK, all of the big three suck. But the SEEM the least evil. But then I wouldn't know since I know shit about politics. I said I'd vote UKIP or even the Green Party!

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 10:47 AM
*chokes on pretzel* aaggrrhh!! you stupid, misled moron! conservatives suck!

...i'd vote conservative if i was 18, and i fully intend to in the next general election too.

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-29-2005, 10:50 AM
what is the point of voting in england anymore? Only rich people and the misled middle classes will vote for the tories, as they screwed up the country last time they were in power. As for the liberal democrats, they won't get in because the majority are biased towards Labour or *spits* Conservatives. Labour will stay in power, even though Mr. Blair has frequently lied and covered up many things he didn't want the public to see

Whoa ho, not necessarily. Many of Labour's voters are drifting towards the Lib Dems, meaning (as much as I hate to say it) it's very plausible that the Conservatives will indeed take power.

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 10:52 AM
it's very plausible that the Conservatives will indeed take power.

And rightly so! :cool:

Jesus
04-29-2005, 11:04 AM
All those damn bloody immigrants taking over the country, thinking they own the place and then the fucking EU ruining our economy and companies and agriculture. With their bloody euro, hail to the pound, the strongest currency in the world!

*flips a page of the daily mail*

Jimbob2005
04-29-2005, 11:09 AM
Whoa ho, not necessarily. Many of Labour's voters are drifting towards the Lib Dems, meaning (as much as I hate to say it) it's very plausible that the Conservatives will indeed take power.
Hopefully, not the other two of the BIG THREE

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 01:34 PM
goddamnit! my day ain't goin' well. NiG conservative; tories coming into power and democracy is pointless, well i knew that before as it has been corrupt for around 2000 years which is scary, isn't it? *huddles in corner and sobs* :(

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 01:48 PM
democracy is pointless, well i knew that before as it has been corrupt for around 2000 years which is scary, isn't it? *huddles in corner and sobs* :(

*hugs little year 7*

I can still be tory and cool though?! right? :eek:


*c.2400 years.

don't even start me on democracy... :mad: Athenian democracy is the only real system of government.

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 01:50 PM
incredible isn't it? By the age of 12, I have deducted that the world is entirely corrupt and democracy isn't democratic. And so sometimes I wish I could just turn my intelligence off for a little while, to get away from this life of constant disappointment. Depressing

Why is it that the intelligent are abused and taunted by people who dwell in ignorance and sealed stupidity and keep themselves away from the truth. Is it a primitive form of self defense? Are they just jealous? Are they brainwashed by television and popular culture? Continually we are ruled by these people in our "governments", our presidents, our dictators, prime ministers. Do they control us in a way that is subliminable? Will we ever know? Maybe they wish to keep the ignorant ignorant to protect themselves. The CIA are known to have used mind control devices, these may control us, telling us what to do, maybe I'm being told to do this right now, as would the mockers...

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 01:54 PM
*hugs little year 7*

I can still be tory and cool though?! right? :eek:


*c.2400 years.

don't even start me on democracy... :mad: Athenian democracy is the only real system of government.

yes, you are cool Jen

thanx for the hug, it's nice to have you back *grins*

and even then I'm sure Athenian democracy was currupt in some way, as it is in human nature to be greedy and wanting. Surely they must have given in to nature in some way?

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 01:59 PM
Well said! damn dude, I like you! :cool:

*stamps official NiG seal of approval*


"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber." – Plato

"Being intelligent is not a felony, but most societies evaluate it as at least a misdemeanour." – Lazarus Long


Why is it that the intelligent are abused and taunted by people who dwell in ignorance and sealed stupidity and keep themselves away from the truth.

Jealousy. But yeah, I think you’re probably right – they just feel threatened so react in the most primitive ways imaginable.
*shakes head in a mixture of pity and disgust*




only one criticism: defence!

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 02:05 PM
and even then I'm sure Athenian democracy was currupt in some way, as it is in human nature to be greedy and wanting. Surely they must have given in to nature in some way?

Not at all; you should find out more about Athenian Democracy - it's the most amazing form of government ever, and it worked!

For a very good speech about it check out; Thucydides book ii, 34-46 (Perikles' funeral oration).

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 02:08 PM
You should find out more about Athenian Democracy - it's the most amazing form of government ever, and it worked!

For a very good speech about it check out; Thucydides book ii, 34-46 (Perikles' funeral oration).

thanks, i will check it out. Do you now a site where I could find it?

PS. you're in my sig now hehe :D

EDIT: googled it and found one, i'm gonna read it...

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 02:19 PM
^ you gotta be careful though because some translations are utter rubbish and just don't possess the passion that Thucydides has.

wicked :D

http://www.constitution.org/gr/pericles_funeral_oration.htm

especially the 3rd and 6th paragraphs of the speech (my favourites anyway:p)

To be honest though that'snot a great translation - the best one is by Rex Warner (or me! :D) but those two aren't on the net.

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 02:20 PM
"But what was the road by which we reached our position, what the form of government under which our greatness grew, what the national habits out of which it sprang; these are questions which I may try to solve before I proceed to my panegyric upon these men; since I think this to be a subject upon which on the present occasion a speaker may properly dwell, and to which the whole assemblage, whether citizens or foreigners, may listen with advantage"

this shit is deep NiG, but could you tell me the underlying meaning of the piece. is it about the men who died in the war for another person? i'm sorry, i'm a little lost in it

EDIT: got the wrong book back in a mo'....
EDIT EDITED: right book differently worded in turns out, still deep shit though...

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 02:30 PM
this shit is deep NiG, but could you tell me the underlying meaning of the piece. is it about the men who died in the war for another person? i'm sorry, i'm a little lost in it

EDIT: got the wrong book back in a mo'....
EDIT EDITED: right book differently worded in turns out, still deep shit though...

Well the situation is the Peloponnesian War (between Athens and Sparta, date = 431BC) and basically the Athenians hold public funerals for those men who were first to die in the war. At these funerals the entire state mourns (again bringing the citizens closer together) and a prominent person will speak. Perikles chose to try and rally the Athenians and encourage them to keep fighting - that's all it is but he describes their system of government extremely well.

The war wasn't really 'for another person' they just didn't particularly like each other and the Athenians were getting too powerful and had established an empire - the Spartans didn't like it.


oh yeah there's also Perikles' last speech which is book ii, 59-65. :D Although not quite as good.

notoriousdoc
04-29-2005, 02:36 PM
Well the situation is the Peloponnesian War (between Athens and Sparta, date = 431BC) and basically the Athenians hold public funerals for those men who were first to die in the war. At these funerals the entire state mourns (again bringing the citizens closer together) and a prominent person will speak. Perikles chose to try and rally the Athenians and encourage them to keep fighting - that's all it is but he describes their system of government extremley well.

The war wasn't really 'for another person' they just didn't particularly like each other and the Athenians were getting too powerful and had established an empire - the Spartans didn't like it.


oh yeah there's also Perikles' last speech which is book ii, 59-65. :D Although not quite as good.


thanks again, i'm going now but i'll be back tomorrow with more intelligent and witty remarks and statements. I will go to sleep with Athenian form of democracy and thier system playing with my mind. maybe i shall not sleep. farewell my friend i'll be back about 9am

:D :D :rolleyes:

Noodles is gay
04-29-2005, 02:37 PM
heheh, see you!

I'm off to watch:

http://home.no.net/film2001/Filmer/B/Braveheart.jpg

Chris
04-29-2005, 05:53 PM
yeah this kinda went off topic...

TheUnholyNightbringer
04-29-2005, 06:06 PM
Oh, I just knew this would get onto Classics somehow.

notoriousdoc
04-30-2005, 01:07 AM
hey, what else explains democracy so clearly? Not politicians for sure

Admin
04-30-2005, 01:51 AM
WHOA! deep guys

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-01-2005, 06:47 AM
What? How is this thread deep?

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-01-2005, 07:15 AM
Interesting.. Conservative are now an equal distance between Labour and LibDem, give or take.

Labour: 39%
COnservative: 31%
LibDem: 23%
Other: 6%

Chris
05-01-2005, 09:01 AM
another poll had it at 36-33 with 3-/+ margin of error - of course these polls don't really show much but well, at least there's hope that labour won't be in power for another four years

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-05-2005, 07:31 PM
Looks like it's another victory for Labour. At the time of writing, the number of seats stand at:

Labour: 287
Conservative: 93
Liberal Democrats: 36
Other: 11

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-05-2005, 08:42 PM
And it's a Labour victory. Going above the 324 mark, the Labour party have been voted in for a third term, for the first time in their history.

Jackish
05-06-2005, 02:39 AM
And it's a Labour victory. Going above the 324 mark, the Labour party have been voted in for a third term, for the first time in their history.

WHY COULDN'T THE LIB DEMS GET IN!?!/!/1111ONEtwo

I can't believe we have another few years with labour... Nooo. :(

Jimbob2005
05-06-2005, 05:19 AM
Another 5 years of labour....no, just no!

Why not the lib dems?! They won our school mock election!

Piedude
05-06-2005, 10:22 AM
Yeah Labour Suck

But Plaid Cymru won my school mock election :confused:

Noodles is gay
05-06-2005, 10:28 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :mad:

Another 5 years of Blair! :( damn him - well maybe not 5 whole years if Blair's ticker is actually giving him problems.....


Well, that really dampened my day. Tis a good thing that lovely classictacular Oxford managed to cheer me up :D

notoriousdoc
05-06-2005, 10:51 AM
I'd have liked the Lib Dems to have won;then labour;then green party;then respect;then *shudder* tories

Gorden Brown is a twat, I'd like to poke his eyes out

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/387439/2/Blood_Splat.jpg

The Talking Pie
05-06-2005, 10:54 AM
But Plaid Cymru won my school mock election :confused:
I lost mine... I don't get it... all I done was say we should exile half the population...

notoriousdoc
05-06-2005, 11:05 AM
gee chill out doc... that was painful to see!!!

Maria

Yes but i hate him so much. Because of him i have to work 5 more years :( :(

wheelchairman
05-07-2005, 03:59 AM
Well this is good, the only thing worse than Labour was the Conservatives. Well that and the BNP, but any intelligent BNP'er is a member of the Conservative party.

RXP
05-10-2005, 12:32 AM
I cannot be friends with a conservative voter now days. People say you should divorce politics and whatever but no way can I.

Noodles
05-10-2005, 12:40 AM
I read that the members of Parliment can remove Bliar and replace him with Brown. Is this true, or even possible?

RXP
05-10-2005, 12:47 AM
I should know this but I don't. I highly doubt they can without due cause. Like if he lied KNOWINGLY to Parliament.

Besdies Blair is a fuckin good leader. Brown's an economist he should specialise in running the countries books, he's excellent at it.

Hyper nova
05-10-2005, 08:02 AM
I should know this but I don't. I highly doubt they can without due cause. Like if he lied KNOWINGLY to Parliament.

Besdies Blair is a fuckin good leader. Brown's an economist he should specialise in running the countries books, he's excellent at it.

He Knowingly Lied to EVERYONE

Err i think he has to resign and then there will be a vote in parliament for a new PM.

Oh a couple of facts about The General Election

80% of voters did NOT vote for labour.

6000 more voters total voted for Conservatives than Labour.

RXP
05-10-2005, 02:27 PM
You're an idoit. He didn't knowingly lie to anyone. It's an evidential burdon which cannot be proved. Stop posting about things you don't know about

Hyper nova
05-10-2005, 02:44 PM
You're an idoit. He didn't knowingly lie to anyone. It's an evidential burdon which cannot be proved. Stop posting about things you don't know about

Err it was an opinion and i mean he lied about the reasons for going to war in iraq because no WoMD if he just said that we are going to topple a dictatr then fine.

Sorry I up set you mister I'm right about everything, King of the universe!

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-10-2005, 05:41 PM
I read that the members of Parliment can remove Bliar and replace him with Brown. Is this true, or even possible?

There's been an unwritten sort of "pact" for ages that when Blair steps down, Brown will replace him as leader. It is indeed possible, but it's been denied by both for years. But it'll happen.

jackedoffjill
05-10-2005, 06:05 PM
do you guys know anything about respect coalition/george galloway he got into my area by about 800 votes,most people say he targeted the muslim communities about his anti war policys.i was listening to a phone poll on lbc radio and alot of them said they voted respect as a vote against labour and now regretted it because they didnt want him in,what idiots.

Now we got a guy in council whos in league with sadam hussein,how are his anti war policys gonna help with running the borough lol

Chris
05-10-2005, 06:20 PM
haha fools!

and the funny part
Galloway vs Paxman (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/blog/4519553.stm)

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-10-2005, 07:07 PM
do you guys know anything about respect coalition/george galloway he got into my area by about 800 votes,most people say he targeted the muslim communities about his anti war policys.i was listening to a phone poll on lbc radio and alot of them said they voted respect as a vote against labour and now regretted it because they didnt want him in,what idiots.

Now we got a guy in council whos in league with sadam hussein,how are his anti war policys gonna help with running the borough lol

That's cockneys for you.

Nah, seriously, the guy won't last more than one term. People who wanted a real alternative to Labour.. well.. you know where my political alleigance lies.

Yatesy
05-11-2005, 01:51 AM
I read that the members of Parliment can remove Bliar and replace him with Brown. Is this true, or even possible?


That's true and from the looks of things, I think it's going to happen.

ermdevi@tion
05-11-2005, 03:58 PM
Nah, seriously, the guy won't last more than one term. People who wanted a real alternative to Labour.. well.. you know where my political alleigance lies.

Well, considering he said he would resign after one term, I guess he probably won't :D.

There is no credible alternative to Labour really. The left is too splintered in the UK. And the Liberals wouldn't know what they were doing.

jackedoffjill
05-11-2005, 04:00 PM
i know they could of at least voted green,hell i think id rather have conservatives in my area thant he respect party lol , i just hope he follows through with what he says and does make it better,not that it could get any worse lol,hopefully he'll give it up like the bnp did when they got in the other year in a close town made laugh thats for sure.

TheUnholyNightbringer
05-11-2005, 05:10 PM
Well, considering he said he would resign after one term, I guess he probably won't :D.

There is no credible alternative to Labour really. The left is too splintered in the UK. And the Liberals wouldn't know what they were doing.

When the Liberals were in last, they knew exactly what they were doing. Introduced maternity leave, National Insurance, pensions, sick leave, etc. Admittedly it's not exactly the same party, but the principles are there.