So it's only a right because the government lets it be a right? So I guess you don't have a right to trial by jury, then, since we've executed civilians overseas (using drone strikes) without trial.
If it weren't true the government would have taken away the abaility to own gons long ago.
No, actually, it's not, according to the actual Constitution and all the documentation surrounding it. The individual mandate is a very recent thing; even the NRA didn't support it until a little before the Reagan administration --- ironically, in response to the same types of "revolutionary" tendencies that are now so common among right-wingers and libertarians. The only difference then was....oh, right, then it was the Black Panthers:
It's a friggin right. Agree with it or not...doesn't even matter. It's a 2nd Amendment RIGHT.
"[The NRA] actively lobbied in favor of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned gun sales by mail, and enacted a system of licensing those people and companies who bought and sold firearms. Franklin Orth, then the executive vice president of the NRA, said that although certain aspects of the law “appear unduly restrictive and unjustified in their application to law-abiding citizens, the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with.”
During that time, the NRA and conservative politicians such as California Governor Ronald Reagan supported gun control as a means of restoring social order, and getting weapons out of the hands of radical, left-leaning and revolutionary groups, particularly the Black Panther Party.
Responding to the perceived failures of the nonviolent civil rights movement, the Black Panthers took a more militant and uncompromising approach of the fallen leader Malcolm X. Led by figures including Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale, the Panthers’ “by any means necessary” approach included a most aggressive gun ownership policy to protect their communities from police abuse.
Beginning in 1966, the Panthers carried out police patrols, in which they rushed to the scene of an arrest with their loaded weapons publicly displayed, and notified those being arrested of their constitutional rights. California state legislator Don Mulford introduced a bill to repeal the state law allowing citizens to carry loaded guns in public if they were openly displayed. Mulford had the Panthers in mind with this legislation.
On May 2, 1967, a group of Black Panthers protested the bill by walking into the California State Capitol Building fully armed. In response, the legislature passed the Mulford Act. And Gov. Reagan, who was a major proponent of disarming the Panthers, signed the bill into law, effectively neutralizing the Panther Police Patrols.
Yet, in the 1970s the NRA began to shift their direction rightward and actively lobby for gun rights. Their chief lobbyist, Harlon Carter, was a former border control agent and staunch supporter of gun rights. In 1977, Carter and his faction staged a coup within the NRA, against an establishment that wanted to shift away from gun control and crime in favor of conservation and sportsmen’s issues."
That saying turns out to be true: that, if black people flocked to the gun stores to pick up weapons for "personal protection," the NRA would lobby for gun control yesterday.
When Prohibition-era organized crime led to the enactment of the National Firearms Act of 1934—the nation’s first federal gun control laws—the NRA not only supported restrictive gun control measures, but drafted legislation in numerous states limiting the carrying of concealed weapons. When NRA president Karl Frederick was asked by Congress whether the Second Amendment imposed any restrictions on gun control, he responded that he had “not given it any study from that point of view.”
You're free to own home defense weapons. However, I don't need one because I'm not afraid of my own shadow. I'll be alright. Y'know, it's interesting beacuse for 15 something years now, I've been told by gun nuts that "you better get a gun or you'll die, there's such a strong likelihood that someone will kill your whole family for no reason out of nowhere, you should get a gun!" And yet, I've never once had my house broken into, I've never been robbed, and even if either of those things happen, I doubt I would have my gun on me at the moment even if I did own one (because I wouldn't likely be carrying it around on my person everywhere I went).
If someone breaks into your house, I hope they have nothing more than an egg beater as a weapon for your sake
You know what they call people who carry guns and patrol to watch for violent crimes? Police officers.
That's just the problem. Most of the people who are dumb enough to get all "2ND AMDENDMENT RIGHTS 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS NO DISCUSSION 'MURRRICA 'MURRICA THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!11one11!", are people who really, really want to commit violence against someone, and they're looking for an excuse. If you visit some of these NRA pages and gun forums, you'll see dozens of stories about people who have never fired a gun at a human being or killed someone, and yet they talk about how they wish someone would break into their house so they could turn into Cowboy Joe and have a shoot-em-up and blow the guy's head off, like it's some kind of video game. And they know this about themselves. They project the same violent tendencies on to everyone else, and use that to justify their "need" to own a gun. And then they say that all of our gun problems are due to the "mentally ill." Right. Like the paranoid?
Both extremes are shitty, and I wish there was a middle ground. It really does disgust me how willing people are to KILL someone who enters their home.
Because hey, there are a lot of crazy people out there, what's one more, right?
No they don't, because their "right" in this case doesn't exist. Almost none of them have never read the Constitution in full (I'd be surprised if any of them did), and even less of them have read any of the surrounding documentation like the Federalist Papers.
They are not douchebags...they want their rights upheld.
Did you notice how those gun toters aren't civilians, they're trained professionals whose job it is to provide physical security?
At any one time Obama and all the other hollywood types are surrounded with guns. Hell, Obama just signed on order for SS for life.
And we have been invaded exactly.....zero times since the revolutionary war. Yeah, we should've had guns at Pearl Harbor! Things would've been different! And 9/11 wouldn't have happened if only everyone in the twin towers had been armed.
A well armed civilian population is one of the best defenses from someone invading our country. You may not like that idea, but it is a fact. We ever get invaded, anyone w/o guns will be running to someone with guns.
Seriously, dude? lol.
It's actually illegal to kill someone in defense of property. It's considered disproportionate retribution.
I saw a news story of a woman in Texas who shot a man who was stealing her purse. According to reports, she shot him 6 times. When asked why she had to shoot him 6 times, she said it was because when she pulled the trigger a seventh time, she was out of ammo. Nuff sed.
I love how your proposed solution to stopping kids from doing school shootings, is to put guns in the school where kids have an easier access to guns. Are you sure you've thought your position through carefully?
My dad saw a story of a kid in a school who brought in a gun and started shooting. He didn't anyone, though. You know why? Because the principal pulled out his own gun and shot the student dead.
If everyone has easier access to guns, then EVERYONE has easier access to guns. If guns are easier to get legally, then they're even easier to get illegally, because you can steal them more easily (because they're fucking everywhere).