Only said what I did because Jakebert's argument sounded a lot to me like many arguments I hear against homosexuality. Obviously I don't equate them or think they're the same.
Originally Posted by Vera
Yes, I agree that it's super weird and it's good that most people don't go that way. But as has been said earlier in this thread, "it's weird" isn't a very good argument for why it should be illegal. "And why most consensual incest happens in cases where the family members did not grow up together at all." - Right, that's exactly the kind of incest I can't see as being a big deal. It'd be great if there was a way to allow certain types and not other types, but since there's not a way to do that, again, I support it being illegal.
There's a reason this is a universal taboo. That means it's been taboo, and will conceivably be taboo in every human society, regardless of size or organization or ideology or religion. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just means it's strongly frowned upon and sanctioned. I mean, let's face it, even if you put aside biology, it's weird. Most of us have that gut instinct, which comes out of psychological and developmental reasons I read an article about once but don't have detailed knowledge of to quote right now, so I'll just say - there are good reasons why most of us wouldn't bang a family member. And why most consensual incest happens in cases where the family members did not grow up together at all. Something happens when you live in a family, where you're just put off by the thought of thinking about these people sexually. And that's a fucking good thing.
Huh? It's a thread on the BBS. I don't really care all that much, but it was asked here, so I gave my thoughts. Though I'm not one of the people defending incest, so I guess this isn't really directed at me...
To all those defending incest from a purely intellectual or logical standpoint, rather than because of a personal experience and conviction - why? What's your investment in all this? This isn't the civil rights movement. This isn't about discriminating against a large section of the populus for racist or homophobic or other -ist reasons.
And again, I'm not for legalizing incest.
Power differences exist in all kinds of relationships, some of them we legislate against, some of them we don't. (We don't ban inter-office relationships in the law, for example, though it's often acknowledged that they can be a bad idea because of power relations/potential sexual harassment.) You know what that's a good argument for, though? Better protection for sexual abuse, sexual harassment and rape victims- who are constantly undermined, blamed and questioned, even within the justice system that is supposed to guarantee them safety and rights. It's not an argument for opening the doors to all possible relationships where skewed power dynamics are involved, and therefore it is not an argument for legalizing incest.
Yes, you've addressed my point here. I see now what you were saying and I understand your thoughts. It was just initially worded in a way that sounded all too familiar. I do agree, and that adds to my anti-legalization stance. Once again, if there were a way to legalize it only for sterilized people who'd never lived together and could prove it was a healthy relationship, I'd support it. Unfortunately, it is too complicated in this case.
Originally Posted by Jakebert
However, I'm not sure I agree that it'd make molestation acceptable... how would it do that? Unless there was a blanket "all incest is fine", which I most certainly do not even remotely advocate.
It's off topic... but basically because I think people are adding to our over-population problems for completely selfish reasons. It's totally uneconomical, and there's simply zero reason for it. Hell, I'd be cool with capping a person's biological reproduction at two children. I understand wanting a child (even though I see no reason to have a baby when there are plenty who are up for adoption and need a home). I understand wanting that child to have a sibling. Beyond that, there is just no good reason for having more kids. And I say this as someone whose mother had 4 children, and whose brother had 5... :-/
Originally Posted by KickHimWhenHe'sDown