Honestly, this forum has probably shaped me so much as a person, for better and for worse. I think about it sometimes, and it's fucking weird.
My morals have led me to be very cautious about being mean-spirited.
It seems like their is a social incentive to be a combination of mean-spirited + smart. So when people act this way, it seems to indicate that they are more concerned about this social incentive than the moral aspect of it. So if what I've proposed here is accurate, many of you are/were putting this social incentive before morality. Meanwhile, you're going out of your way to lecture me and others about right and wrong. Seems a bit phony.
This mean-spirited behavior seems to be romanticized. An example of this would be John Malkovich. He's witty and articulate, and it's almost as if his behavior is an expression of the idea that "I'm so incredibly smart that it's led me to have much less patience than everyone else". And people romanticize this. Instead of being a soft-spoken intellectual nerd, you can be a badass John Malkovich type. It's almost like the easiest way for a nerd to be "cool" and assertive.
With all this said, it's probably not normal for me to be fixated on this idea, but I get a lot of criticism in life so it's probably a reflection of my insecurities to be quite honest.
So, you have no interest in replying to me or discussing this topic, huh?
OK, kidding. Mostly.
Well, I was mainly talking about how it's affected me overall- IRL as well as this board. So yeah, I probably would have shot you down, but not because I would disagree that Internet culture has possibly affected me negatively- rather because you don't know anything about me in real life.
Wow, I really wasn't doing this at all. I was mainly criticizing the article that you posted, and, a bit, I was criticizing your continued obsession with the "1337."Quote:
Meanwhile, you're going out of your way to lecture me and others about right and wrong. Seems a bit phony.
My posts were hardly lectures- they were disagreements. And they were no more about "right and wrong" than your average disagreement between two random people.
Perhaps people are generally cunts and the internet just makes it obvious?
I like intelligent people with a strong sense of humor. I don't particularly care if they are liberal or otherwise so long as they can back up their ideologies with well-reasoned arguments and, preferably, witty banter. A lot of what would be called "liberal bullying" I would call witty banter. The "victims" of this bullying can, quite often, simply avoid the game if they aren't enjoying it.
True online bullying, the kind that makes little girls kill themselves because of Facebook harassment, is not likely to involve a disproportionate number of liberals, at least not in my opinion.
Edit: I am aware that I romanticize the way this forum used to be. I don't believe that necessarily makes me wrong, however.
Treez defended bighead longer than anyone else here... and here's bighead, going after him. Hahaha, brilliant.
I'd agree that liberals have a greater tendency to be arrogant and condescending, simply because liberals tend to be better educated than conservatives... and arrogance goes along with high education. It's not impossible, but it is difficult to be stupid/ignorant and arrogant ;)
Some of the most self-righteous and arrogant people I have ever been in contact with are ultra conservatives and/or religious fundamentalists. I also think people misinterpret being argued with or being wrong with their opponent being arrogant or bullying. Remember how much Mel K. (sic) freaked out everytime someone asked her for a source or suggested she might be wrong? I have friends even, that get really worked up when there is any argument or disagreement. Everyone involved could be perfectly level headed and even enjoying themselves, but some people just feel... I don't know, threatened by discussions and arguments. Just because someone disagrees with you and thinks you're wrong does not necessarily mean they are attacking you personally or that anyone is upset.
Of course there will always be people who want to deconstruct an argument because of semantics or grammar errors and people who are outright dicks and are impossible to argue with. I agree with the author that it's a shame that so many valuable conversations can be derailed by shitty nitpicking, personal attacks, and other stupid nonsense. I do not think there is an epidemic of intellectual liberals systematcally shutting down discussions or whatever and I'm not sure any one group is more or less responsible for something like that than any other one group.
Finally, I don't think I owe it to the internet to be nice or to compromise. I can argue effectively and respectfully without being nice. I'm not required to view all arguments and opinions equally, some of them are shitty and should be dealt with accordingly.
Self-righteous bullying isn't the only kind. Conservatives are notorious for name-calling, safety-in-numbers bullying. Just read the comments section on pretty much any Yahoo news article.
When I was in grade school I went on a church trip with the 'Royal Rangers', it was basically a Boy Scouts ripoff. There was ax throwing, little wood car racing, table building, burgers in tortillas, and tug-o-wars, it was good stuff. Anyway, there was also like a crazy amount of indoctrination. I specifically remember walking towards the nightly service thing and hearing someone talk over the loud speaker and claim to be God. I was really young and it fucking terrified me, as a child I couldn't grasp what was going on and it was frightening. In retrospect, that was a really fucked up thing to do to children.