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    So, being a music snob, I happen to be friends with a lot of other music snobs. I agree with them on most things, but there's one thing that seems to be the norm among music snobs that really bugs me.

    That is the emphasis on technical skill. Don't get me wrong, I respect anyone who has talent as a guitarist. That's not something that's easy to do, and I know that. But one thing I absolutely hate is when technical skill is used in the place of creativity and good songwriting.

    That's one of the reasons I dislike a lot of metal, because a lot of bands seem to think that's what's important, and let all of their songs sound the same. And metal fans ignore that because "dude, he can play some really hard stuff".

    I think songwriting skills are way more important than technical skills when it comes down to it. Take the Beatles or Bob Dylan. Neither of them are known for intricate guitar work, but they both are widely considered to be influential, brilliant musicians. Why? Because they wrote really good songs. That made up for their simplicity and for the fact that they didn't solo in every single song.

    Can technical skill make a song better? Well, yeah. That's one of the reasons I love Sonic Youth, Hendrix, or Mono. But the thing is that with those bands, the emphasis is on how that good guitar/drum/bass playing effects the overall song, not on how hard the part is. There's a balance between good musicianship and good songwriting, not one or the other. Because when it comes down to it, you're listening to the song for the overall product, not the guitar part by itself.
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    I totally agree. I could try to elaborate, but the bottom line is that songwriting is more important than technical ability.
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    Mostly agreed.
    But when people buy an Ywngie Malmsteen album, it is for the guitar part, or a Satriani album, or Vai.
    And if thats what someone wants, who am I to say they shouldn't like it, even if it is only "because he plays some really hard stuff". If thats what they want, go for it.

    Personally I don't close myself off to either side. I'm a guitarist, naturally I enjoy listening to fantastic players (although not all of them, Malmsteen for one I can't stand, there is almost no musicality to speak of, just speed...imo). But first and foremost I'm a music fan, so I enjoy a great song even if it is two/three chords.

    I find the best music is when there is a certain amount of over-lapping. Someone who can combine technical greatness with great song writing.

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    I totally agree. I could try to elaborate, but the bottom line is that songwriting is more important than technical ability.
    Shut the fuck up. I'd love to see you write a song without any technical ability.
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    I agree. Although technical ability can really turn me on to a band, it's the songwriting that really makes or breaks a band. ONe could argue, however, that songwriting in itself is a technical skill. There are many musicians out there that cannot write a good song to save their life, just as there are many drummers who can't play like Bonham or how there are many guitarists who can play like Hendrix. I guess you could say that "technical" ability refers to only their skill on their respective instrument(s), but it all depends on how you see it, I guess.

    Another thing: Two of my all-time favorite bands are Rush and The Beatles. Obviously, these two bands are on completely opposite ends of the technical skill spectrum, but The Beatles are still seen as a more influential and legendary band. Just something to provide evidence to your original claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas View Post
    ONe could argue, however, that songwriting in itself is a technical skill.
    I kind of feel bad for telling that last guy to shut the fuck up, so I thought I'd elaborate, only to find you had said this. That's exactly what I was getting at.
    Song writing is still a technique, although it is slightly bending the terminology, the general view is that when one says technique they literally mean the persons ability with their instrument, as in how they actually play.
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    I would like to point out that Satriani and Vai have a LOT more elements in a lot of their song writing than just guitar.

    And I agree. Even though I don't like the Beatles. My friend was telling me that Dave Matthews wasn't nearly as good as a guitarist as some metal guitarist. I don't care if Dave can't play rawkin solos, the stuff he does with acoustic cords, pullofs/hammerons etc is really cool. I'd rather listen to one of his 'solos' anyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrconeman View Post
    I kind of feel bad for telling that last guy to shut the fuck up, so I thought I'd elaborate, only to find you had said this. That's exactly what I was getting at.
    Song writing is still a technique, although it is slightly bending the terminology, the general view is that when one says technique they literally mean the persons ability with their instrument, as in how they actually play.
    Yeah, that's why I believe that it depends on the way you look at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All About Eve View Post
    I would like to point out that Satriani and Vai have a LOT more elements in a lot of their song writing than just guitar.
    I'd like to agree. Though everyone does associate them with their guitaring ability, rightfully so too.
    These two I can listen to though, they are good writers indeed. I wasn't a fan of them for awhile, but I came round to them.
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    They're completely different too, once you get into it. It's hard to explain, but just the way they write their songs and put the emphasis on different stuff outlines their originality.

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    I do find myself preferring Satch over Vai, theres a definite difference in styles.
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    As I've grown up some. back in the day. I even use myself as an example. reflected on things that happened in the past. I have a better understanding of things now. At least I can admit it now. I have somehow caused this situation by mentioning how I used to act on here. how I've changed. I'm a relatively normal poster now

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