What are you Reading?

[EarY]

Anyway, did you enjoy it?

Well yeah, I guess I did. The end seemed a little rushed though.
Lots of psychological and physical chasms and subsequently deaths.
Of the Bachmann books I enjoyed reading 'Blaze' the most.

[Alison]

Did your parents know/care? It amazes me how most parents will take at least some interest in the kind of things their children are watching or the games they are playing, and then pay no attention at all to what their kids are reading. I remember reading It when I was 11 or 12, basically the same age as the protagonists of the book, and it fucked me up pretty bad. I mean, that book is terrifying. It would freak me out even now, but as a kid, reading it alone under the covers in my room at night it sort of traumatized me. It got so bad I had to ask my mum to take it away from me. But then, because I needed to know how it ended, I just sneakily took it back and kept reading it.

I think books are so powerful, the written word searing itself into your mind in a way audio/visual content just can't manage. King's books tend to have really well developed characters that you really grow to care about, particularly since his novels tend to be very long, and then he does horrific things to them so that by that point it kinda feels like he's doing it to your own friends or family. As an adult we have barriers but as a kid I feel like I was completely immersed in whatever I read, it became completely real for me while I was reading it, and King was a terrible choice for a child. I'm really curious whether you had any bad experiences with it yourself and whether you would let your own kids read the same kind of stuff?

My dad actually bought me my first Stephen King book. I really don't think they gave it much thought to be honest. When I was around 10 I also read a book Angela's Ashes by Frank McCourt, which has rape and incest and masturbation and stuff, and my parents never said a word to me about it! I only realised when a teacher said it to me in school that maybe I shouldn't have been reading it. I also read American Psycho when I was about 13 or 14 - that was the one book my mom ever told me I couldn't read - so naturally I read it. I think reading that at such a young age accounts for my high tolerance (and enjoyment) of gore and violence in books and films.

I don't think I ever had any bad experiences with reading King - I'm sure a few scenes in The Shining were disturbing to me, and I remember having nightmares about a scene in The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon (the wasp scene), but nothing drastic.

I agree that its quite funny in a way that books never really receive the same level of censorship as a film, despite the fact that books have changed the world and can be extremely influential on a person - it seems to be this general consensus that books are boring and the people who read them are the innocent nerds. A lot of my friends would never even pick up a book because they don't think it could ever be exciting. As you say, you can really immerse yourself in a book and make deep connections to the characters - perhaps when reading a book you are able to create your own images of them, and almost invent subconsciously some other traits for them, whereas in other media you aren't really allowed do that - book characters can be made your own in a way. And then it can be really heart-wrenching when something happens to them, because in a weird small way, they are also your character.

Wow, I really think I'm talking shit here!

[Paint_It_Black]

Wow, I really think I'm talking shit here!

Nope, nailed it. I think maybe because we do get to subconsciously fill in the gaps it's also easier to empathize, sometimes, with a character who is merely words on a page rather than one being portrayed by a living, breathing human being. Or maybe there's an added connection because they get to be a voice in my head, and usually the only voice in my head is me, so that feels sort of intimate. Or something. Okay, now I'm talking shit.

I agree that its quite funny in a way that books never really receive the same level of censorship as a film, despite the fact that books have changed the world and can be extremely influential on a person - it seems to be this general consensus that books are boring and the people who read them are the innocent nerds.

Definitely. And also the idea, which I generally approve of, that books are sort of sacred and any attempt to censor them in any way is wrong. But the fact that they don't even come with any kind of age restriction is kind of amazing when you think about it. Are people just assuming that any kid actually willing to pick up a book and read it must also have the maturity to cope with the content? Because that's an incredible assumption. Particularly in the western world where protecting the kids is often taken to such extreme levels that we actually damage kids by sheltering them too much. The world of books is just this weird little bubble where the rules don't apply.

I think reading that at such a young age accounts for my high tolerance (and enjoyment) of gore and violence in books and films.

I've never considered this before, but now I wonder if my choice of reading material at such a formative age might have contributed to my tendency towards depression and nihilism. Huh. I wonder if I could sue Stephen King? Haha.

I'm weird when it comes to violence and gore. I love it, particularly in some sort of battle scene, but at some point in my twenties I stopped being able to enjoy movies like Saw. The whole torture-porn genre just makes me feel ill. I guess it is the sadistic element rather than the violence or gore itself. I empathize too much and it's just not a fun time.

Yeah, I'm really straying off-topic, but the bbs is dead and I have nothing better to be doing.

[Alison]

I've never considered this before, but now I wonder if my choice of reading material at such a formative age might have contributed to my tendency towards depression and nihilism. Huh. I wonder if I could sue Stephen King? Haha.

I'm weird when it comes to violence and gore. I love it, particularly in some sort of battle scene, but at some point in my twenties I stopped being able to enjoy movies like Saw. The whole torture-porn genre just makes me feel ill. I guess it is the sadistic element rather than the violence or gore itself. I empathize too much and it's just not a fun time.

Yeah, I'm really straying off-topic, but the bbs is dead and I have nothing better to be doing.

I do wonder how much books can shape who we are - I guess its a hard one to find out. But in general reading books increases your intelligence, and intelligent people are more likely to be depressed - maybe you can sue the literary world in general then. And some studies say that reading fiction increases a person's empathy.
But I am sure there must be some link with particular books and genres people read too. I love to read melancholy books about loneliness that are heart-wrenchingly depressing, and I really don't know why. I literally cannot resist buying books that look like they're going to depress the hell out of me (I bought Too Loud a Solitude by Bohumil Hrabal just because of the title).

It's a very interesting topic. Books can really expose you to things that would otherwise be censored. No matter how they may have messed me up, I'm kind of happy that they did...I think...

[Harleyquiiinn]

I Think that images/movies/games are more censored because it can be definitely more shocking than reading a terrifying scene...

When you watch a movie or play a game, you're watching somebody else's vision of horror.

When you read, even if it's scary, I think your brain always makes it bearable. You create the vision.

When I was 11, my older brother started to read "It". The cover of the book had that horrible clown on it, sneaking through a manhole. I didn't sleep for a week just because of the cover and didn't walk on a manhole for... years.
But a year later, I read the book and other King's stuff... It was scary but it NEVER had the same effect on me than this book cover.

The funny thing is you never feel closer to the characters feelings and thoughts than when reading a book. Game of Thrones is a perfect example. Especially because of the way it's narrated. It's a lot easier to feel close to the characters with the books than with the TV show...
But the Red Wedding felt more shocking in the TV show than in the book...

[Paint_It_Black]

When you watch a movie or play a game, you're watching somebody else's vision of horror.

When you read, even if it's scary, I think your brain always makes it bearable. You create the vision.

That's quite interesting because for me the opposite is true. As a kid I had no problem with scary films or games or really images of any kind. But when reading, when creating the vision as you put it (I like that), my mind doesn't seem to have the same safety mechanisms in place as yours.

But the Red Wedding felt more shocking in the TV show than in the book...

I find that hard to judge, myself. In the books it was literally shocking in the sense that I had no suspicion it was coming. When I later watched the show I couldn't really be shocked because I knew what to expect. I just can't gauge it fairly because I can only be surprised the first time.

[Harleyquiiinn]

I find that hard to judge, myself. In the books it was literally shocking in the sense that I had no suspicion it was coming. When I later watched the show I couldn't really be shocked because I knew what to expect. I just can't gauge it fairly because I can only be surprised the first time.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T READ GAME OF THRONES (You should really get to it, by the way...) :









I kind of saw it coming while reading because Catelyn insists on explaining the rule of hospitality (that we never heard of before, in 3 books) and old Frey, speaking of the wedding, says something like "Red will be poured and wrongs will be righted" so I was kind of expecting something really bad to happen. Also, Arya was getting awfully close...

Besides, it's Game of Thrones, you should always expect something bad to happen...

The TV show shocked me because there is blood EVERYWHERE. Also, it's not all the same characters. The throat opening was particulary disgusting.

[Paint_It_Black]

I agree the clues were there that something wasn't right but I just could never have expected what was to come. Largely because, from a storytelling perspective, it was kind of an insane choice. Don't get me wrong, I love that Martin did it, but I feel he nearly killed the whole series by doing it. All the momentum was lost. It was utterly devastating and probably as close to simulating the actual experience of sudden tragedy as any work of fiction could get. The kind of experience where you're just left sort of numbed, wondering what the fuck you're supposed to do now. Martin crafted his tale so that I thought I knew the vague shape of the story I was being told. The Red Wedding suddenly made it clear I had no idea where this was going at all, and I even had to wonder if it was going anywhere. It was just such a bold choice for an author to make. Then, in hindsight, I came to realize he probably had that planned from the start and that whole war never was the story at all. A brilliant choice but still such a risky one for an author to make.

[Offspring-Junkie]

Even Ernie and Bert got some serious issues...



I've read "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli lately, btw.

[Paint_It_Black]

I've read "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli lately, btw.

How was it? I generally adore anything described as Machiavellian but I haven't been able to make myself actually read any of Machiavelli's work yet.

I love that Count video so much. Almost died the first time I saw it.