Originally Posted by bighead384
If you had said this sooner, and not said some unfortunate things later, I think people would be going much easier on you.
Fact is you did sound like a douche at first, but I would suggest that we all ignore that now. It's been pointed out enough, and you made a slight concession towards acknowledging it yourself.
I'll accept that as a vegetarian you may have got a "lot of shit". You say you did, and I have no reason to doubt it. I can understand that would become highly irritating and make you defensive about the subject. If you're this defensive about it though I'd suggest not voluntarily bringing the subject up, but that's your choice.
Like some people have said though, part of the reason why vegetarians get some shit thrown their way is because of all the preachy vegetarians out there. We carnivores don't particularly like having our morality questioned because of what we have for lunch. And like someone said, this becomes an ugly cycle of criticism.
I love to eat meat. Absolutely love it. Is it healthy? I don't really care to be honest. Is it morally right? I don't know. Everyone needs to decide that for themselves. It's not my job to answer that question for you, and it's not your job to answer it for me. This comes back to simply respecting other peoples right to make their own decisions.
I'll admit that I personally can't "justify" eating meat on a philosophical level. If I had no other food options I'd happily kill an animal myself and eat it, because that would be a case of need. Since I do not need meat in the society I live in I do wonder if I am behaving ethically in supporting the meat industry. I used to tell myself that I'm not killing the animal so I'm not to "blame". Eventually I came to believe that's a bullshit argument. Someone out there is killing animals because he/she knows that I will buy it if they do. That puts the blood on my hands. This bothers me intellectually, because I've sort of reached the conclusion that I should give up meat. But emotionally I just don't seem to actually care. I like eating meat and don't intend to stop. So essentially I've reached the conclusion that I should care but I've accepted that I just don't. Most importantly of all though, I do not feel that everyone else should reach the same conclusions. It has to be whatever feels right to you.
Anyone like Star Trek? An interesting fact from Star Trek is that Vulcans do not eat meat. They consider it to be barbaric. I would not be surprised to see most humans eventually come to this conclusion, because I do believe that it is somewhat illogical to kill animals and devour their flesh when we don't need to. Of course, that's only illogical if you also believe that all life has value. If you think that a cow only exists for our benefit then you won't ever reach this same conclusion.
If I was raised in a society where vegetarianism was more common I'd perhaps have become one. But, as it is now, I only think that eating meat is wrong. I don't feel that it's wrong. I can't explain that anymore clearly, and hopefully most people will understand what I mean.
I should note that I have a tendency to think far too much, and I waste a lot of time analyzing issues like this in my head for no real purpose. Ah well, I get a kick out of it.
By the way, my wife switched to buying only organic food whenever possible, and buying only animal products that were certified as cruelty free or whatever it's called. I make some degree of effort to do the same thing when money allows. My wife has now become a vegetarian, for a mix of both practical and personal reasons. I can say that she's become a lot healthier and lost an amazing amount of weight in a short time. In large part I would say that this is because she no longer is eating fast food, so it's not that going vegetarian has inherently made her healthier, it's just taken away many of the extremely unhealthy options. She also tried being vegan, though she found that so impractical that she only attempts a vegan diet when eating at home.
At this time I have no plans to follow her down that path. If I do try it would only be as a temporary measure to lose weight in the same way she has done.
There, I tried to give you a really detailed and respectful answer to your initial post. I hope you might consider being less defensive here from now on.
Oh, and by the way, I agree with you that male vegetarians probably get more shit than female vegetarians. Eating meat is often considered a masculine trait. A man that chooses to not eat meat may seem less of a man to certain people. But then again, a man who chooses to not sleep around or not drink large amounts of alcohol may also be considered less of a man. The point is to ignore the opinions of idiots.
You know, I do have to spoil this a little by saying that the only male vegetarian I know later decided he is also a homosexual. You're not a homo, are you?
I'm kidding. Relax.
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