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    Default This morning, I am asking myself questions

    And a second one.

    I am reading about a protestation about gay marriage in France and the newspaper qualifies it as a "homophobic protest".

    So here is my question. It is that logical to think that a person against gay marriage is necessarily homophobic ?

    Let me be clear, I am not homophobic and I am in favor of gay marriage.

    But I am not sure that all these people protesting because they think that marriage was intended for a man and a woman to procreate are all homophobic.

    What do you think ?

    (oh yeah, and let me be accurate, it was a peaceful - and really weird - protestation involving a guy dressed as a bird, and I saw no signs saying "homosexuality is a sin" or things like that. Only "a marriage should be between a man and a woman" stuff)
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    I don't see any homophobia in protesting against marriage for gay people necessarily, but it's most likely to be homophobic. If you have a mob, for sure the majority is dump and some are reasonable, but those will always be overlooked. Dumb and obnoxious people are always be the first choice for media in general because they're the first to speak and the loudest as well.
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    Homophobia is a weird word. Most homophobes are not afraid of gays (though some are... think they're a threat, think they're dangerous child molesters... etc). Most just hate gays. They're anti-equality, anti-gay... but homophobic is just a strange word. Maybe we should call them sexualityists? haha.

    That aside, I don't think being anti-gay always means hatred of gays, or what we define as "homophobia". I think it's mostly religious intolerance, which is just as bad, though.

    Also, I really hate it when people who support gay marriage use the argument that you should be pro-gay marriage unless you wanna be on the "losing side" in history books... it's depressing to think that people support equal marriage for that reason, and belittles gay relationships :-/ Sometimes gay "allies" really piss me off in general, though. Many have the right attitude and truly support equality, but sometimes I get so mad. My former best friend from college is absolutely one of such people.
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    I'm pro-marriage, AKA anti-gay-marriage.
    That being said, I'm not homophobic. I don't fear gays. They're not all child molesters, just like not all straight people are rapists. Maybe I've known some gays in the past; I don't really know. I don't really care. So long as no gay guy asks me to fuck, I don't think it's an issue. But marriage is between two persons of the opposite sex. A civil union is anything else. And I think that we ought to deal with much more serious issues before yakking about gay marriage. In other words, leave TMZ- styled "gay gay gay" blather to TMZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godxilla View Post
    And I think that we ought to deal with much more serious issues before yakking about gay marriage.
    And yet the Republicans are wasting everyone's time and money, trying to pass these stupid amendments to redefine marriage in the constitution...
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    People who are against gay marriage are bigots.

    Sometimes they're very polite about the way they present their views, but bigotry is still bigotry, even if its got a smiling face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacknife737 View Post
    People who are against gay marriage are bigots.

    Sometimes they're very polite about the way they present their views, but bigotry is still bigotry, even if its got a smiling face.

    "I'm not a racist, I just don't want that black man drinking from MY water-fountain and riding MY public bus".
    I really could not have said it better myself! It disturbs me especially to hear black people talk about how gays should have limited/no marriage rights -- it's like we've forgotten that we have also been dehumanized and marginalized along the same lines and for the same (flimsy, non-existent) reasons. Really shocking that in this day and age, we're still overly concerned with what "marriage" means (in a supposedly secular nation) and whether or not two people who love each other (or don't -- loveless hetero marriages happen every day, but no one seems too concerned about them) should have the right to create an eternal (or not-so-eternal!) bond between them, to share their wealth and resources, to visit each other in the hospital, and so on.

    If it were up to me, ALL marriages, same-sex, genderless, and otherwise, would be called civil unions. These civil unions would grant the exact same rights and benefits as marriage. Then if you wanted to get traditionally "married," you could go to a church and have a ceremony. That church ceremony would grant you absolutely no rights whatsoever, but it would be fun...if you and your friends like that sort of thing.

    edit: Seriously, polite arguments against gay marriage make me feel slightly ill. I would almost rather someone just yell about how they hate f*****ts and d**es than hear "Oh, I have no problem with gays, I just think that their lives should be arbitrarily restricted because THE BIBLE" or some such nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacknife737 View Post
    People who are against gay marriage are bigots.

    Sometimes they're very polite about the way they present their views, but bigotry is still bigotry, even if its got a smiling face.

    "I'm not a racist, I just don't want that black man drinking from MY water-fountain and riding MY public bus".
    Amen!!! I totally agree!! I grew up in a really religious family. For years I had it pounded in my head that the lifestyle is wrong. It wasn't until many years ago when I got out on my own and started working in a hair salon when I finally changed my views. I met so many wonderful gay folks that I'm still good friends with to this day. They deserve the same treatment you or I get. This should never be a political issue, it's a human rights issue. Now that said, I am not knocking on religion. The Lord is still a huge part of who I am. But you have to have balance. You can't have someone else (or anything) dictate what you are to believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Miss_1565 View Post
    Llamas, homophobia is only a fear of gays in the literal "phobos-means-fear" sense. Homophobia is a hatred of gays. I have literally never in my life heard an argument against gay marriage that wasn't based in hate.
    Of course I know what homophobia means I just think it's a dumb word. It was invented like 40 years ago, and rather lazily - they slapped a Greek prefix for "same" onto a Greek suffix for "fear"... fear of the same. It's simply a dumb word, and as it was only invented 40 years ago, I protest its use :P But I haven't come up with a great alternative to it, so I was mostly just making fun of what a dumb word it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by prettyflyforablackchick View Post
    I really could not have said it better myself! It disturbs me especially to hear black people talk about how gays should have limited/no marriage rights -- it's like we've forgotten that we have also been dehumanized and marginalized along the same lines and for the same (flimsy, non-existent) reasons. Really shocking that in this day and age, we're still overly concerned with what "marriage" means (in a supposedly secular nation) and whether or not two people who love each other (or don't -- loveless hetero marriages happen every day, but no one seems too concerned about them) should have the right to create an eternal (or not-so-eternal!) bond between them, to share their wealth and resources, to visit each other in the hospital, and so on.

    If it were up to me, ALL marriages, same-sex, genderless, and otherwise, would be called civil unions. These civil unions would grant the exact same rights and benefits as marriage. Then if you wanted to get traditionally "married," you could go to a church and have a ceremony. That church ceremony would grant you absolutely no rights whatsoever, but it would be fun...if you and your friends like that sort of thing.

    edit: Seriously, polite arguments against gay marriage make me feel slightly ill. I would almost rather someone just yell about how they hate f*****ts and d**es than hear "Oh, I have no problem with gays, I just think that their lives should be arbitrarily restricted because THE BIBLE" or some such nonsense.
    I agree with this 100%. Seriously, where did this new girl come from and how is she so awesome??

    And yes, asshole bigots are far preferred to the ones who put on a smile and pretend they're loving, good people. I'll take some idiot calling me a faggot any day over someone smiling and telling me they "love the sinner, but hate the sin" and that Jesus can save me from hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by prettyflyforablackchick View Post
    "Homophobia is the fear [among men] that a man will treat you the way you treat women,"
    This is absolutely true for most homophobic men. Most of them have no problem with gay WOMEN - it's the MEN they have a problem with. It's why us gay women get so much less hate directed toward us than gay men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llamas View Post
    And yet the Republicans are wasting everyone's time and money, trying to pass these stupid amendments to redefine marriage in the constitution...
    Did I ever say that I am Republican? Goodness no. I'm a Libertarian in case you forgot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Llamas View Post
    This is absolutely true for most homophobic men. Most of them have no problem with gay WOMEN - it's the MEN they have a problem with. It's why us gay women get so much less hate directed toward us than gay men.
    Ha ha ha. That's because men would rather f a gay girl than a gay guy. Make sense? You'll get less hate, because they *think* they'll be able to cash in on that niceness later. Make sense?
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