The Second Amendment

[Static_Martyr]

I am speaking of a more personal tone directed at a previous comment.

You're still wrong.

[MOTO13]

If we ever get invaded, we have a fucking military.

Only cowards use deadly force when your life isn't in danger.

1. Well, if we ever get invaded, 100,000,000 additional armed personnel couldn't hurt.

2. If you ever have your home broken into, make that decision quick, your further existence may depend on it. As for me, I want to give the criminal more problems than solutions. So the person actually stealing or invading a home is not the coward? The coward is the unsuspecting, completey innocent person defending his property that he was simply dumb enough to work their entire life to aquire just to have some pillar of the community steal it.

You know what stops crime? Immediate consequnce to the action.

[Godxilla]

1. Well, if we ever get invaded, 100,000,000 additional armed personnel couldn't hurt.

2. If you ever have your home broken into, make that decision quick, your further existence may depend on it. As for me, I want to give the criminal more problems than solutions. So the person actually stealing or invading a home is not the coward? The coward is the unsuspecting, completey innocent person defending his property that he was simply dumb enough to work their entire life to aquire just to have some pillar of the community steal it.

You know what stops crime? Immediate consequnce to the action.

Ya know what's funny? Nostradamus predicted an army of 200 million will fight the final battle on Earth. Us, plus militia? Russia plus Warsaw pacters? EU? Islamists? China? India? Really, these are all formidable enemies if they take up arms. The world is a dangerous place. Does owning an AR15 make you feel better? For me, I'd rather an M60 or M16A1, but for some, yes it does.

By the way, with all the talk about banning guns, there has been a huge uptick of gun sales. Epic backfire for the libs there.

[Static_Martyr]

Hang on, so by all this logic here, every time someone threatened my life on these forums (which is illegal), I could have been within rights to track those people down and shoot them? Because they're criminals, so what rights do they have really.

Seriously, fuck everyone who espouses this line of thinking.

^This.

Ya know what's funny? Nostradamus predicted an army of 200 million will fight the final battle on Earth.

Nostradamus? You mean the pharmacist from the 1500's who also predicted that the world would be taken over by an undead King in July 1999?

By the way, with all the talk about banning guns, there has been a huge uptick of gun sales. Epic backfire for the libs there.

I don't know which to attack first --- the idea that gun violence is only a problem for "libs," or that a short-term uptick of gun sales is evidence of a "backfire." The same thing happens any time something is taken off the market; people spam-purchased fucking twinkies when they heard the company was going under. Anyway, most bans have a grandfather clause allowing people who already purchased them before the ban to own them legally; those people won't be able to sell them legally after the ban is instated.

"But, but, but they can sell them illegally, so the ban is useless!"

Yeah, just like I can still murder someone illegally, so I guess laws against murder are useless, too. But then we're getting into a different argument about law enforcement.

Second, even the NRA demographic is showing record support for gun owners, and several formerly hardline pro-NRA Congressmen have come forth saying it's time to clamp down on our gun regulations.

You can only accuse this of being a "liberal conspiracy" for so long before you start sliding into a fringe that is disconnected from reality.

[MOTO13]

...By the way, with all the talk about banning guns, there has been a huge uptick of gun sales. Epic backfire for the libs there.

Not only increased gun sales, NRA membership has increased by over 100,000 since Sandy Hook.

[Static_Martyr]

Probably because of the false narrative people like you are spreading that Obama wants no one to have access to a gun now.

What's so funny is, conservative websites are unanimously reporting that Obama actually said something like, "I don't think people should be allowed to own guns." And even if you only read those types of websites, you'll see that there's no evidence that Obama ever actually said anything like that --- their "source" is a story told by a gun rights activist named Jon Lott, who reportedly taught at the University of Chicago with Obama four about four years back in the '90s. And yet, they report the story as, 'Obama said this, now what do we do?' When the real story is, 'Someone SAID he said this.'"

What makes it so funny is, even if he really did say this back in the '90s, he obviously doesn't feel that way anymore. Just look at the way he governs. He never does anything liberal or progressive unless there's pressure from an overwhelming majority of the population --- we only got Obamacare because the people wanted health care reform and the insurance companies backed the legislation, and we're only getting gun control because the people want it (even NRA members support reasonable gun control laws) and major corporations have figured out a way to make money off of them.

So if you go by Obama's track record alone (and not by what he supposedly said), he's obviously pretty pro-gun. If you go by what he supposedly said, then that's one thing, but then if you go by what he said, he was going to "change the system fundamentally" and give people back their faith in government. So unless you feel he's done that, I think we can agree that you can't judge a politician by what he says (or by what other special interest advocates claim he says).

[MOTO13]

Probably because of the false narrative people like you are spreading that Obama wants no one to have access to a gun now.

Yeah, I have to admit, my power over the masses is staggering. Thank you for acknowledging that. Or...and this is a radical notion, maybe, just fucking maybe, it is because Obama said things like this...

"I'm confident there are some steps we can take that don't require legislation and that are within my authority as president," Obama said in a news conference in the East Room of the White House.

Obama can use his executive powers to act alone on some gun measures, but his options on the proposals opposed by the NRA are limited without Congress' cooperation.

Basically Obama can't be trusted because he won't give a straight answer and actually explain in plain fucking english what his plans are if he would use his EP's.

You know, a certain degree of paranoia is great for preparing for the future.

[Godxilla]

Nostradamus was also the man who predicted WW2 and Napoleon.

You see, I get my news stories from the nightly news here in Massachusetts (a liberal state, FYI). Just because the newscasters cry over every murder doesn't mean we have to. A very distant relative of mine just died. She had been a drug addict, apparently, for a while. I hear from my dad (who went) that the funeral was closed-casket. But banning drugs hasn't stopped people like her. It only made her unable to seek help. Bans don't always work, my friends.

[Static_Martyr]

Nostradamus was also the man who predicted WW2 and Napoleon.

No, he didn't; if Nostradamus predicted Hitler, then Pat Robertson predicted earthquakes in states that legalized gay marriage.

You see, I get my news stories from the nightly news here in Massachusetts (a liberal state, FYI).

What is this thing with you and the word "liberal?" Why does it matter if Massachusetts is a liberal state or not?

A very distant relative of mine just died. She had been a drug addict, apparently, for a while. I hear from my dad (who went) that the funeral was closed-casket. But banning drugs hasn't stopped people like her. It only made her unable to seek help. Bans don't always work, my friends.

Here we go with more anecdotes. Watch this:

One time, I had a friend in high school who tried to get me to smoke marijuana. I said to him, "No thanks, that shit's illegal and I could lose my position if I got caught with it." At the time I hadn't really thought of using drugs one way or the other, so I had no opinions on it in a political sense; all I knew was that it would get me in trouble, and I had no real reason to risk losing my position, so I didn't do it.

According to my anecdote, now we can say that anti-drug laws are good --- they discourage people from doing drugs because the consequence is too great to risk.

[MOTO13]

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