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Thread: Misandry: Does it exist?

  1. #11
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    Feb 2006
    Czech Republic


    Quote Originally Posted by T-6005 View Post
    The question isn't whether misandry exists - it's whether it matters and how.

    Misandry taken as a position by itself certainly exists, but it's expressed in subaltern terms - that it, it is expressed by people who generally hold already gender-imbalanced positions (i.e. women or trans people, genius). It's a form of resistance similar to people of colour hating white people. It is a fully understandable subaltern position to take because it exposes positions of power which seem not to exist because they are "natural."

    "God, it's like she can't have any fun at the office. And she avoids us all when closing out, too. What an uptight man-hater."

    It's not like that situation has never existed, and if you think otherwise I wouldn't suggest reading any further because you are clearly an idiot. It can be a difficult space for women to navigate - becoming 'one of the guys' de-genders them, while obsequieousness in an effort to do well can be seen as sluttiness or, even worse, 'secretary work' harking back to 50s gender relations.

    And I'm not saying that work relationships aren't hard to navigate for men, because they can be - they just overwhelmingly tend to be harder for women. Accepting that won't crush you, but it may cast some light on why people can be so aloof at times and then so aggressive at other times.

    It's partly why some feminist work has touches of misandry to it - but it's mostly why men are so quick to cry about 'misandry' when feminism comes up. A change to the status quo appears to lower a gender so in control that the domination is never questioned, and that lowering of privilege is all that can be seen. Think about it in the metaphor of race again and you might see what I mean ('white history month' flag-wavers, anti-'affirmative action' types).

    Misandry itself is also a stupid term - gender bias is probably better, it doesn't yet suffer from the curse of being overdeployed. But the question isn't whether it exists - it does, and despite how horrifically it can paint men sometimes, it's an expression in response to a long history of systematic domination.

    I wish I'd had time to think out this response a bit more, but I'm going for drinks with a subaltern right now so I gotta rock this party and skip like a smooth stone out over pristine waters.
    I forgot about how quick people often are to throw around the "man hater" term. I have nothing to say really, other than I agree with you. Especially that misandry is generally a bad term.
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  2. #12
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    Jan 2008


    I think that, just like misogynic stereotypes, everyday life is rife with misandric stereotypes, which is something that really bothers me because I don't think either have a place in intellectually developed societies. I am not saying that misandry is necessarily as big as misogyny, but it is there for sure and it fuels the sexist notions that weaken progress towards a more egalitarian culture. On a personal level, I have known but one misandric person. She learned to hate men because of very bad experiences with her father, which she generalized to all men. While she may have been a feminist, there are enough feminists who don't hate men out there to conclude that feminism is not at all synonymous with misandry in my opinion.
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  3. #13
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    People's Republic of Cork


    Feminism is about men and women being equal, so it makes no sense to hate men. Granted, there are "feminists" who do hate men and give the rest a bad name.

    In some way misandry probably exists because of misogyny (and vise verse).

    And yeah, what T said.

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