Explosion at Boston Marathon

[MOTO13]

Like it or not...realize it or not...admit it or not...MUSLIMS are fucking blowing up the planet. Muslims are to blame for completely innocent people being shredded to pieces. This is not an act of war under a flag specfic country. It is not armies and soldiers sanctioned by a specific or identifiable government...it is TERRORISM. And the worthless dog nut pricks who SPECIFICALLY target and MURDER innocent children, women, men or anything else with the intent to create chaos are 99% of the time MUSLIM. Just sayin. Soooo, I wasn't surpised when the whole BM bombing was a Muslim tie. Making it clear...and well, that's about it I suppose. Keep it on point...k? Cause your whole WWII bullshit and Iran analogy was fucking stupid.

[T-6005]

Like it or not...realize it or not...admit it or not...MUSLIMS are fucking blowing up the planet. Muslims are to blame for completely innocent people being shredded to pieces. This is not an act of war under a flag specfic country. It is not armies and soldiers sanctioned by a specific or identifiable government...it is TERRORISM. And the worthless dog nut pricks who SPECIFICALLY target and MURDER innocent children, women, men or anything else with the intent to create chaos are 99% of the time MUSLIM. Just sayin. Soooo, I wasn't surpised when the whole BM bombing was a Muslim tie. Making it clear...and well, that's about it I suppose. Keep it on point...k? Cause your whole WWII bullshit and Iran analogy was fucking stupid.

You are retarded. And worse, you're poorly informed and unaware of that fact.

Everything you have said is moronic.

This is not an act of war under a flag specfic country. It is not armies and soldiers sanctioned by a specific or identifiable government...it is TERRORISM.

This is particularly execrable. You're suggesting that because your government is murdering underage US Citizens through drone attacks, depopulating huge swathes of countryside, supporting the type of regime (in Israel) that uses white phosphorus rounds against civilian populations, and using depleted uranium rounds that are ruining the existence of millions of people with health problems, horrific tumors and mutated stillbirths, that it's alright?

That's just the United States. That is a form of terror so overwhelming, so pervasive on a global scale, that no single government could possibly think of taking it on. Those that do are dismantled and replaced with token 'friendly' regimes, which are then championed by your national media.

And the worthless dog nut pricks who SPECIFICALLY target and MURDER innocent children, women, men or anything else with the intent to create chaos are 99% of the time MUSLIM.

What kinds of Muslims are they? Are they, like some news media was suggesting, members of Al-Qaeda with ties to Iran? That makes sense if you're inept enough to believe that all of Islam is a cohesive whole - the differences between Shi'a (Iran) and Sunni (al-Qaeda) are numerous but, more importantly, they are also incredibly final. Al-Qaeda, much like al-Shabaab, explicitly denounces all non-Sunni Muslims. Are they Pakistani Muslims, Afghans, Somali, Dagestani? Do you know why the difference matters?

No, you don't. And let me guess - you don't care. Because for you, all that matters is that there is a category of person called the 'Islamic terrorist' that ticks so many of those easy boxes that it doesn't require any more thought.

That was the point of my original post. I never said that the perpetrators weren't Muslim. I didn't even suggest that it was outside of the realm of possibility. What I am suggesting - and what I obviously think you need to become cognizant of - is that 'Muslim terrorist' is a bullshit category. A Palestinian teenager throws a rock at an Israeli tank that demolishes his home on the West Bank. The message is clear - your kind is no longer welcome here. Muslim terrorist. A Tuareg tribesman in Mali crosses the border into Niger to meet up with his tribesmen - they plan on contesting the rigged results of the Malian election and taking back a region divided decades before along arbitrary colonial lines - the tribe is now split. Niger provides a majority of France's uranium, so their military intervenes. Who are they fighting? Muslim terrorists. A woman, nineteen years of age, loses her husband, who is fighting against the crushing encroachments of the Russian government asserting control over Chechnya. She makes the choice to become a Shahidka and is blown up by remote control two days later. Muslim terrorist.

My entire point is that, even filtered through a soft-focus lens like the idiotic news media, none of this should be as simple as it has become. I said it before - terrorism (insurgency) is a political act. Pretending that people are decoupled from that when their religion is brought into it only serves two purposes - it creates a monster that doesn't exist except as a proliferation of results of the world's dominant nations and their foreign policy over the last hundred years, and it allows for an easy target to paint your fear on.

It is not whether they are Muslims that interests me in particular - why deny it when they are? But it has become an easy brush to use, one that hides a lot more about the state of the world than it reveals.

MOTO13 has, perhaps inadvertently, shown the truth of that. And, to be fair, I am sorry I went off on you as hard as I did. It's a culmination of this type of attitude that has brought it about.

[Eskimo]

I mean, it's probably not that irrational to suggest that both "Bighead's a 'tardburger" and "the major current terrorist threat tends to come from radical Muslim groups" here.

It's pretty ridiculous at this stage to put forward that the elder Tsarnaev learned all this shit from the 'net alone, but like, yeah...Bighead, shut the uterus up, honkey.

[randman21]

I love how every single person who agrees with bighead has to shit all over him first.

[MOTO13]

You are retarded. And worse, you're poorly informed and unaware of that fact.

Everything you have said is moronic.


This is particularly execrable. You're suggesting that because your government is murdering underage US Citizens through drone attacks, depopulating huge swathes of countryside, supporting the type of regime (in Israel) that uses white phosphorus rounds against civilian populations, and using depleted uranium rounds that are ruining the existence of millions of people with health problems, horrific tumors and mutated stillbirths, that it's alright?

That's just the United States. That is a form of terror so overwhelming, so pervasive on a global scale, that no single government could possibly think of taking it on. Those that do are dismantled and replaced with token 'friendly' regimes, which are then championed by your national media.


What kinds of Muslims are they? Are they, like some news media was suggesting, members of Al-Qaeda with ties to Iran? That makes sense if you're inept enough to believe that all of Islam is a cohesive whole - the differences between Shi'a (Iran) and Sunni (al-Qaeda) are numerous but, more importantly, they are also incredibly final. Al-Qaeda, much like al-Shabaab, explicitly denounces all non-Sunni Muslims. Are they Pakistani Muslims, Afghans, Somali, Dagestani? Do you know why the difference matters?

No, you don't. And let me guess - you don't care. Because for you, all that matters is that there is a category of person called the 'Islamic terrorist' that ticks so many of those easy boxes that it doesn't require any more thought.

That was the point of my original post. I never said that the perpetrators weren't Muslim. I didn't even suggest that it was outside of the realm of possibility. What I am suggesting - and what I obviously think you need to become cognizant of - is that 'Muslim terrorist' is a bullshit category. A Palestinian teenager throws a rock at an Israeli tank that demolishes his home on the West Bank. The message is clear - your kind is no longer welcome here. Muslim terrorist. A Tuareg tribesman in Mali crosses the border into Niger to meet up with his tribesmen - they plan on contesting the rigged results of the Malian election and taking back a region divided decades before along arbitrary colonial lines - the tribe is now split. Niger provides a majority of France's uranium, so their military intervenes. Who are they fighting? Muslim terrorists. A woman, nineteen years of age, loses her husband, who is fighting against the crushing encroachments of the Russian government asserting control over Chechnya. She makes the choice to become a Shahidka and is blown up by remote control two days later. Muslim terrorist.

My entire point is that, even filtered through a soft-focus lens like the idiotic news media, none of this should be as simple as it has become. I said it before - terrorism (insurgency) is a political act. Pretending that people are decoupled from that when their religion is brought into it only serves two purposes - it creates a monster that doesn't exist except as a proliferation of results of the world's dominant nations and their foreign policy over the last hundred years, and it allows for an easy target to paint your fear on.

It is not whether they are Muslims that interests me in particular - why deny it when they are? But it has become an easy brush to use, one that hides a lot more about the state of the world than it reveals.

MOTO13 has, perhaps inadvertently, shown the truth of that. And, to be fair, I am sorry I went off on you as hard as I did. It's a culmination of this type of attitude that has brought it about.

MUSLIM...PERIOD. Add up all the Muslim terrorist attacks beginning with the 911 Twin Towers. Subtract those attacks from ALL known terrorist attacks. Bet you have a really small number leftover.

[wheelchairman]

MUSLIM...PERIOD. Add up all the Muslim terrorist attacks beginning with the 911 Twin Towers. Subtract those attacks from ALL known terrorist attacks. Bet you have a really small number leftover.

But I have an even better category, you could say 99% of all terrorists were religious. See my category is more inclusive and thus by your logic, more accurate. Also as far as I know they were all human beings, since by definition chimpanzees can't be considered terrorists, then the category 'human' is 100% more accurate.

Of course using a large umbrella category like that means we know less and less relevant information as to the motivation of the attack. Like how there are so many muslim terrorists, that's fairly well known, but the category of muslim tells us little about their motivation. Which is why people start saying annoying things like "they hate our freedom." A better category makes for more accurate generalizations. In a nutshell, thats why details are important and could possibly prevent you from looking like a moron. Its why people see Justin as intelligent and Bighead as a moron, despite saying the same thing.

Personally I'm convinced terrorism has something 100% to do with poor finger-nail hygiene and 5 o'clock shadows. That seems to also include 100% of all terrorists I've seen pictures of. Though honestly the finger nail thing is something I just assumed.

[bighead384]

I respect that you guys are insisting on attention to important details so as not to unfairly slight a whole group of people, but I don't see how saying something like "radical muslims" is inappropriate. Not all Muslims are being slighted, just the radical ones in groups like Al-Qaeda.

And T-6005, I'm not sure I agree with how you're applying the term "terrorism" to this argument. Sure, terrorism is best defined as a political statement, but since when are politics and religion mutually exclusive? Basically everything in the list below involves religion and politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives...ber_11_attacks

Their religion is a big part of why they have committed these acts. I don't understand why it is wrong to focus on that.

[Tiny Vessels]

There's something to think about. A Muslim blows up a building and that's terrorism. But when a Christian blows up an abortion clinic how come we don't consider that terrorism? Both are acts based on religion beliefs and innocent people are killed in both. What I don't get is at one attack we are like oh wow that sucks. But at the other attack we're ready to go out and kill people.

[MOTO13]

There's something to think about. A Muslim blows up a building and that's terrorism. But when a Christian blows up an abortion clinic how come we don't consider that terrorism? Both are acts based on religion beliefs and innocent people are killed in both. What I don't get is at one attack we are like oh wow that sucks. But at the other attack we're ready to go out and kill people.

Go ahead and begin listing the christian abortion clinic attacks killing innocent people. Show me the planes flying into buildings, the bombs planted indiscriminently and being set off to kill or injure ANYBODY within range for no other reason than to create chaos. Don't even begin to equate abortion with terrorism. This has to be one of the fucking dumbest things I have ever read on this site.

[Tiny Vessels]

Don't even begin to equate abortion with terrorism. This has to be one of the fucking dumbest things I have ever read on this site.

You missed my point COMPLETELY. What I'm saying is why don't we call Christians BOMBING abortion clinics terrorism but yet a Muslim bombing a builiding terrorism. I'm sorry but both are terrorism. Both of them are doing it for religion beliefs.