No. They're basically saying we meat-eaters don't pretend to give a fuck. You vegetarians pretend to give a fuck but obviously don't really because if you did you'd go all the way with it and become vegan. As you say, it's not "all the same", but you vegetarians do love to draw fairly arbitrary lines of distinction and then act superior. I think that a lot of us meat-eaters feel that if we decided that eating meat is wrong we'd go all the way and become vegan, because if it's wrong then it's really fucking wrong, right?
Originally Posted by bighead384
So basically, I eat meat and directly contribute to animal-murder or whatever. But I don't believe that what I'm doing is wrong, so worse case scenario is that I'm just ignorant. You don't eat meat because you're all warm and fuzzy for the soft and furries. You think animal exploitation is wrong. Yet, by not being vegan you directly support that which you consider to be evil. This makes you immoral.
Don't think that by not eating meat you're not supporting the killing of animals. They're killed for plenty of other reasons. Do you wear fur? Probably not. Howabout leather though? Yeah, I bet you got some leather, don't you? Only buy vegan shoes from now on and then maybe I'll start to respect your beliefs.
I also love how you only seem to think killing the animals is wrong. I'd say being kept alive in torturous conditions is far worse. Following a proper scale, I'd say you should first stop consuming dairy/eggs. Then move on to not eating meat. Every time you enjoy a nice glass of milk you're contributing to more suffering than me enjoying my succulent medium-rare steak.
Yeah I always enjoy that argument. It's basically impossible for us to survive without constantly killing something. The distinction between plants and animals reeks of hubris to me.
Originally Posted by nieh
If you had more iron in your diet your thoughts might make more sense.
Originally Posted by bighead384
Seriously though, that's a fucking stupid question. I can love an animal. I do not love all animals. I can eat an animal. I do not eat all animals. Such a fucking stupid question. I'm actually bothered by how fucking stupid that question was.
Something else to consider. Let's use cows for this. If we all stopped eating beef, drinking milk, making things from leather and so on, what would actually happen to cows as a species? Outside of India they'd go fucking extinct in no time at all. They only exist because we find them useful. Perhaps we treat them cruelly, but if we didn't use them they wouldn't even exist.
My friend, who I currently live with, is pescatarian or whatever they call it. Basically a vegetarian who also eats fish. He has the best argument ever for his dietary choice. He will only eat things he could kill himself. He couldn't bring himself to kill a cow, or a chicken, or a pig or whatever. But he could kill a fish. And so he eats fish. I love his way of thinking. He's not basing his choice on some intellectual philosophy. He's not justifying his choice either. He's simply being true to himself. I really love it. I suppose I follow this path myself because I'm fairly sure I could kill cows, pigs etc. but I've mostly become a pescatarian myself for now because it's simpler for meal sharing and because I love fish anyway and meat is expensive. I treat meat as a rare treat these days, which is probably what it will become for most people in the future due to the inefficiency of this food source and the growing human population.
You didn't catch that as you wrote it, did you?
Originally Posted by wheelchairman
But yeah, agree with the general concept of pointless arguments. I may take part in them from time to time simply for entertainment value, but I can't deny they're pointless.
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