How much do you care about your contributions in your productive life?

[Paint_It_Black]

If we do everything for our own personal gain, the person who helps an old lady cross the street because it makes them feel good is better than the person who robs a bank because it makes them feel good/they like the adrenaline and the risk.

Hmm, ok. But then what about someone who secretly wants to do really bad things. Like a guy who has rape/murder fantasies and would be considered a high risk for acting on those impulses one day. But so far he has managed to restrain himself, and since he feels conflicted about these thoughts he tries to regain some "positive karma" or something by, I don't know, feeding the homeless or something.

I like the way you look at it, I just wonder if it's too simplistic. Not a criticism, really. With a subject like this the goal should be to whittle it down to its simplest form. I just wonder if you might have whittled slightly too far.

In my example, the guy enjoys the idea of doing terrible things, and would almost certainly enjoy the experience too. That should make him a bad guy according to your system. But in reality he has done nothing wrong, and in fact does things society deems good. If only actions are taken into consideration then he would be considered a good person. Clearly, that system would also be too simplistic. I think we need a combination of actions and motivations. Then, my guy does good things, but not because he likes doing good things. He does them out of guilt and fear. Being nice doesn't inherently make him feel good. He's trying to compensate for thinking really bad things. Is he good or bad? Now the question itself is perhaps too simplistic.

I didn't plan any of this post out, I just sort of rambled as it came to me because I thought it could be fun. Now that I've worked through the idea a little I think I like your system when applying it to relatively normal people in relatively normal situations.

I've strayed way off-topic but I don't think bighead would mind. This seems like something he'd be interested in.

[wheelchairman]

I think people put too much thought into the selfishness of charitable acts. In the long run its a lot of effort for a marginal amount of joy. Especaly since you could just masturbate and be a dick to everyone.

[Paint_It_Black]

The beauty of the internet is that you can masturbate while doing anything.

Online shopping? Masturbate.

Social media? Masturbate.

Porn? Hate yourself and try not to cry.

The internet, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to it. Masturbate.

[Llamas]

Hmm, ok. But then what about someone who secretly wants to do really bad things. Like a guy who has rape/murder fantasies and would be considered a high risk for acting on those impulses one day. But so far he has managed to restrain himself, and since he feels conflicted about these thoughts he tries to regain some "positive karma" or something by, I don't know, feeding the homeless or something.

I like the way you look at it, I just wonder if it's too simplistic. Not a criticism, really. With a subject like this the goal should be to whittle it down to its simplest form. I just wonder if you might have whittled slightly too far.

In my example, the guy enjoys the idea of doing terrible things, and would almost certainly enjoy the experience too. That should make him a bad guy according to your system. But in reality he has done nothing wrong, and in fact does things society deems good. If only actions are taken into consideration then he would be considered a good person. Clearly, that system would also be too simplistic. I think we need a combination of actions and motivations. Then, my guy does good things, but not because he likes doing good things. He does them out of guilt and fear. Being nice doesn't inherently make him feel good. He's trying to compensate for thinking really bad things. Is he good or bad? Now the question itself is perhaps too simplistic.

I didn't plan any of this post out, I just sort of rambled as it came to me because I thought it could be fun. Now that I've worked through the idea a little I think I like your system when applying it to relatively normal people in relatively normal situations.

I've strayed way off-topic but I don't think bighead would mind. This seems like something he'd be interested in.

Right, it's way more complicated than I made it sound. I've thought about that, as well. I'd say it's all measured based on how good it makes the person feel. The guy who likes the idea of doing terrible things, but doesn't do them and does good things instead surely still feels good from doing those good things. If he felt awful for doing those good things, why would he do them? Someone who feels awful about doing good things and good about doing bad things surely doesn't have a ton of empathy. I'd say this guy has good feelings from doing both bad and good things, and it's a spectrum - how good does he feel about which things? And obviously this guy is better than a guy who acts on the bad things and feels good about doing them. This is really a convoluted and probably unanswerable thing... but interesting.

[MOTO13]

Talk about over thinking an incredibly simplistic fucking thought. Jeezuz. No wonder you asholes don't get anything done all day. But...but...he felt good about the kind act and therefore he is a great person in my view...however, he also seemed to genuinely enjoy pulling wings off fllies so he must have deep seeded mommy issues and therefore his actions must be looked at as devious blabbbity blabbity stupid ass fucking bullshit my ass blah. Here's the skinny...kind act...goooood. Hurt someone...bad. Take it as they come and judge quickly.

[Paint_It_Black]

Run along now MOTO, some trucker needs a fucking slurpy. Get that done, shitdick.

Meanwhile, llamas can keep being a motherfucking teacher.

I'll just keep jerkin' it like a conceded asshole.

Masturbate.

[MOTO13]

You keep over thinking and under reasoning you fucking success story you. Seriously, how do you feel about a kind act? Does it make your weenie feel all fuzzy? People couldn't give 2 shits if it was Charles Manson doing them a solid, they perceive the immediate genius.

[Llamas]

Talk about over thinking an incredibly simplistic fucking thought. Jeezuz. No wonder you asholes don't get anything done all day.

You keep over thinking and under reasoning you fucking success story you.

Lol, right, cause a self-employed private English instructor who has to turn down clients left and right because she's fully booked doesn't get anything done More like, smarter people discuss deeper ideas and concepts...

[MOTO13]

Not really addressing you in my little synopsis. You may carry on in your teaching endeavors. If I offended you in any way, I apologize and wish you nothing but the best. It's just my learned opinion that PIB is a tool...of the finest sort of course, but an unbelievable asswad none the less.

[Paint_It_Black]

Hey llamas, since you teach English and MOTO is a retarded slurpy-slinger who can't even speak it, could you translate what this conceded asshole is trying to tell me?

they perceive the immediate genius.

Everyone perceives my immediate genius.

Seriously though, learn your fucking language.