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    I took it that he wanted to encourage discourse that could lead to change rather than start an actual revolution right this minute.

    Jebus, I totally get what you're saying and that's why anarchists have always tended to annoy me. You can't just tear shit down without having a solid plan of what to do after. And I really don't think Brand was proposing that we should do that, but he also wasn't proposing any particular new system either.

    What he was doing was expressing absolute dissatisfaction with the current system and encouraging that we discuss the problems and look for possibilities for real change. And that's what got me excited. He clearly believes that change is possible. That we don't actually have to live like this. He doesn't need to have any of the answers. He only needs to encourage people to consider it and talk about it and believe that it's possible. Because most people don't seem to think it's possible. Most people seem to have just accepted that this is as good as it gets. And I was certainly one of them. And it's so fucking depressing.

    I don't believe he was necessarily contravening Churchill either. The question is not whether democracy is the best form of government. And it's not whether we need government. It's whether this democracy provides us with the kind of government we need. A government that cares about people, not corporations. I don't believe Brand was saying that voting is inherently bad or pointless. I believe that he is saying that under the current system it is bad and pointless because capitalistic greed and corruption has ruined any noble concept of democracy or chance for change.

    I believe he just wants "radical" ideas and concepts to become more well known and openly discussed with the hope that through discussion new possibilities might be found. Surely the only people against that sort of thing are those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Anyone with an interest in bettering humanity should encourage free sharing of ideas.

    Edit: Eskimo, the fact that he's rich and saying these things is awesome. Giving his money away wouldn't make any difference to the world and he'd be just another bitter poor person. Instead, he's rich and still cares. He's the 1% standing up for the 99%. How the fuck can you be cynical about this?
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    Oh, I actually don't debate that he probably cares, it's just ridiculous to take him seriously.

    If you're against profit on principle, don't work in the media and take a fat-ass check for all your various TV shows and films. Lead by example and all that. I mean, if fucking Schwarzenegger or Tom Hanks or George Clooney ranted against the very concept of making money in an interview, we'd all laugh them out of the room.

    He cares in the same way a college kid who goes to do some aid work overseas for 2 weeks and comes back thinking they've made a difference cares.

    Like, in a world inhabited by Bill Gates, why the fuck are we even discussing Russell goddamn Brand? Insignificant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo View Post
    Like, in a world inhabited by Bill Gates, why the fuck are we even discussing Russell goddamn Brand? Insignificant.
    That's a ridiculous argument. Bill Gates exists therefore everyone else is irrelevant? We can't all be Bill Gates.

    It's a bit depressing that you picked Bill Gates. Like, in a world inhabited by Stephen Hawking, why the fuck are you even mentioning Bill Gates?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo View Post
    If you're against profit on principle
    I don't believe he is. He's against mega-corporations running the world. That's hardly the same thing.
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    The Bill Gates and Tom Shadyac references are just examples of people who walk the walk. As it stands, Brand's just pander-bullshitting to cool Political Science 101 kids who make up his demo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo View Post
    If you're against profit on principle, don't work in the media and take a fat-ass check for all your various TV shows and films.
    I don't recall him saying he was against that, but he was a terribly poor, drug-addicted person without a reason to live for a magnificent chunk of his life. He's been out of that despondency for over ten years now and he's somehow managed to not forget where he came from. That's the biggest problem with average people with ideals finding wealth: They forget where they came from. Brand is, by all accounts, a great person. I wouldn't expect he would just surrender all of his money, but I get the feeling that if he ever lost most of it, it wouldn't effect him in the way you'd expect.


    @Jebus, He has some mastery over time. The guy is 38 years old and look at him. Just look at him.

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    I guess my point is just that it's very, very easy to say this shit ad nauseum without ever substantiating it. He's beyond happy to work for these giant evil corporations than rule the world and have their boots on our throats. He's hardly some staunch indie-freak who's above taking a dollar. This isn't biting the hand that feeds, it's just playing to an audience without needing to go any further.

    Which is fine, plenty of celebrities do it. It's just not exactly carrying any meaning whatsoever.

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    I guess his call to arms just didn't resonate with me because I already know radical alternatives exist, and I find most of them unworkable. I agree having an open discourse is a good thing, but don't find it that fruitful to have a discussion about having a discussion. And now I'm in a discussion about having a discussion about having a discussion. I rather just get to the meat of it.
    I don't believe he is. He's against mega-corporations running the world. That's hardly the same thing.
    I don't know. He did say "Profit is a dirty word... I think the very concept of profit should be very much reduced because wherever there is profit there is also deficit." It does kind of sound like he has some radical socialist ideas in mind, so it wouldn't surprise me that he is in fact against profit. I don't find Russel Brand being the rich bastard that he is and working for these corporations hypocritical though. I don't find it hypocritical to use an iphone and drink starbucks either. Just because corporations made these things under our current system, it doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to have them (or at least something very similar) in an alternative system. It's like thanking our slave masters for food we would be capable of getting without them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jebus View Post
    And now I'm in a discussion about having a discussion about having a discussion.
    Somewhere Christopher Nolan just jizzed a little.

    I still think it was implied that he primarily meant profits on a massive scale. But yeah, he would probably be willing to forsake his own riches if it came to it.
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