Sparta doesn't strike me as being more civilized than Athens, especially considering that boys were expected to murder helots to be considered men...
Who says it was? You're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying one cannot compare them.
And anyway, as we owe our own forms of government to Ancient Greece and derive our hierarchy from Rome, going about dissing them is rather childish and ludicrous. Even their decadence and death foreshadow our own.
Still, civilization really means different things to different people. For me a society is not fully civilized without a high degree of liberty and equality.
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.” – Bill Hicks
Right, and if you think you've got any freedom in our so-called democracies, you are fooling yourself.
As for equality, that is a joke on a whole another level.
PS.: re Oscar Wilde. The circumstances of the trial were unique. Not every homosexual got that treatment, right? Rent boys, provocation, mad father... it was all very special.
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Might be a suggestion I don't give a fuck either way. In case you hadn't noticed before...
I don't know how anyone can choose the peak of civilization as much, much more violent times. When speaking of language, I suppose that the artistic side of language peaked then... but artistic usage of language is hardly the most important part of society.
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Well, it's a shame for me anyway. It's fortunate for you.
Do I really need to use an emoticon to be on the safe side? *sigh* :P